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Kaiganeer posted...

that taking from others is inherent human behavior

This is a weird thing to believe lol.

Kaiganeer posted...

that taking from others is inherent human behavior and that even if basic needs are met, people will still covet beyond that and some of us are more than capable of stealing or using violence to get what they want

Still in the generic teenage edgelord phase I see.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I mean...I guess some people are okay with homeless people doing drugs in the street. That doesn't make it good lol

We should give them tiny homes, that way they can just do drugs inside.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I mean...I guess some people are okay with homeless people doing drugs in the street. That doesn't make it good lol

It's better than cigarette smokers out in the streets

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I mean...I guess some people are okay with homeless people doing drugs in the street. That doesn't make it good lol

Nobody said it was good being a homeless drug addict.

Just that maybe our prison system isn't well equipped to tackle the problem.

Shadow_Don posted...

Why are there different crime rates across different racial and ethnic groups?

i'm sure there are a bunch of reasons, but the idea that crime would cease to exist if everyone had the same set of basic needs provided to them from the beginning to the end of their lives is wholly unrealistic. the concept of taking from others for your own benefit exists on every level of personal wealth/wellbeing, it just takes different forms

Murphiroth posted...

Still in the generic teenage edgelord phase I see.

cmon bruv, look at human history (either recent or ancient) and tell me it isn't just a whole of lot of murder, theft and pillage on an individual, communal and national level

it isn't all we are, but there's a lot of it

Shadow_Don posted...

Nobody said it was good being a homeless drug addict.

Just that maybe our prison system isn't well equipped to tackle the problem.

And that maybe being high shouldn't result in a lengthy prison sentence. Or homeless, for that matter.

Kaiganeer posted...

i'm sure there are a bunch of reasons, but the idea that crime would cease to exist if everyone had the same set of basic needs provided to them from the beginning to the end of their lives is wholly unrealistic. the concept of taking from others for your own benefit exists on every level of personal wealth/wellbeing, it just takes different forms

So your problem is just a case of semantics then, that something wouldn't wipe out the problem so therefore it's silly to say we should do something about it.

Shadow_Don posted...

Nobody said it was good being a homeless drug addict.

Just that maybe our prison system isn't well equipped to tackle the problem.

"They weren't hurting you because you're in a car ooooo"

It's such a dismissive way to discuss the problem. Writing it off like it's not really an issue and there's no risk to anybody involved.

Also the whole idea of "people wouldn't commit crimes if their basic needs are met" obviously don't understand that billionaires are human beings too.

Why do billionaires commit crimes? I want you to really think about it. Why would someone whose basic needs are met and exceeded feel the need to commit crimes?

Lmao what a wash Fox News is, they thought they looked good there I'm sure

Crime isn't just a dem city problem. Dumb as hell.

Heineken14 posted...

So your problem is just a case of semantics then, that something wouldn't wipe out the problem so therefore it's silly to say we should do something about it.

How old do you think he was when his dad split on him?

Heineken14 posted...

So your problem is just a case of semantics then, that something wouldn't wipe out the problem so therefore it's silly to say we should do something about it.

Sounds like a case of making perfect the enemy of good.

Course, nobody is claiming it would cause crime to cease to exist. We see the rich steal and extort plenty to prove that.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

"They weren't hurting you because you're in a car ooooo"

It's such a dismissive way to discuss the problem. Writing it off like it's not really an issue and there's no risk to anybody involved.

Because fox news isn't interested in discussing the problem.

Literally the opening to that segment was a lunatic screeching about how liberal cities are "hellscapes".

Yea crime exists and is bad. But Seattle and NYC aren't the fucking war zones that fox news needs to pretend they are in order to deflect away from the problems in their own party or their own cities/states.

Kaiganeer posted...

i'm sure there are a bunch of reasons,

And what do you think those reasons are?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

"They weren't hurting you because you're in a car ooooo"

It's such a dismissive way to discuss the problem. Writing it off like it's not really an issue and there's no risk to anybody involved.

Also the whole idea of "people wouldn't commit crimes if their basic needs are met" obviously don't understand that billionaires are human beings too.

Why do billionaires commit crimes? I want you to really think about it. Why would someone whose basic needs are met and exceeded feel the need to commit crimes?

Please indicate where anyone has said that it would solve all crime.

Classic Gobshite garbage.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

"They weren't hurting you because you're in a car ooooo"

It's such a dismissive way to discuss the problem. Writing it off like it's not really an issue and there's no risk to anybody involved.

Also the whole idea of "people wouldn't commit crimes if their basic needs are met" obviously don't understand that billionaires are human beings too.

Why do billionaires commit crimes? I want you to really think about it. Why would someone whose basic needs are met and exceeded feel the need to commit crimes?

Billionaires arent out there committing the kinds of crimes that this segment is fearmongering about

TheGoldenEel posted...

Billionaires arent out there committing the kinds of crimes that this segment is fearmongering about

Well the chick in the video's comment could be interpreted as her saying it could get rid of ALL crime if we gave people basic needs, so we must hyper-focus directly on that and ignore literally everything else.

Heineken14 posted...

Well the chick in the video's comment could be interpreted as her saying it could get rid of ALL crime if we gave people basic needs, so we must hyper-focus directly on that and ignore literally everything else.

Its amazing because gobbers is complaining about these people being bad faith and not participating in the dialog

but who the fuck would interpret what that person said as improving society means literally no crime?

Like nobody is saying that universal healthcare would magically make serial killers not exist anymore.

Murphiroth posted...

Please indicate where anyone has said that it would solve all crime.

Classic Gobshite garbage.

ALL crime, I don't think anybody has said that. But rich people commit all sorts of crimes too. Maybe it's just a difference in mentality. Some people steal, hurt people, and drive dangerously just because it's what they want to do.

Meeting people's basic needs might solve the very lowest levels of crime, aka the elusive and mythical "shoplifting food because they have no other choice" archetype.

Other people who steal fancy clothes, nice perfumes and makeup, etc will just keep stealing those things because they don't want to spend the money to buy them.

like a Larry David sketch

Right wingers have no right to complain about crime. They vote for politicians who make life worse for almost everybody. They let greed and graft ruin the country. They support more homelessness because god forbid we help people off the street. They support more crime because god forbid we help people with their basic needs so they won't have to steal things. They support more drug usage because of the previous and because they support making life worse for people so said people turn to drugs to help cope with it all. They support bad policing and our terrible criminal justice and prison systems because of their fanatical devotion to police and punishment.

Until y'all stop all of that, kindly shut the fuck up.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

ALL crime, I don't think anybody has said that. But rich people commit all sorts of crimes too. Maybe it's just a difference in mentality. Some people steal, hurt people, and drive dangerously just because it's what they want to do.

Meeting people's basic needs might solve the very lowest levels of crime, aka the elusive and mythical "shoplifting food because they have no other choice" archetype.

Other people who steal fancy clothes, nice perfumes and makeup, etc will just keep stealing those things because they don't want to spend the money to buy them.

So basically we shouldn't do anything or make any efforts to meet people's basic needs because some people would still commit crimes. Murder shouldn't be illegal because some people still commit murder, etc. Gotcha.

Bolded bit totally checks out for how utterly repulsive your mindset is and how awful you are as a person. Fuck them poor folks amirite?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I mean...I guess some people are okay with homeless people doing drugs in the street. That doesn't make it good lol

Oh boy Gob's here gobbin' it up again.

Murphiroth posted...

So basically we shouldn't do anything or make any efforts to meet people's basic needs because some people would still commit crimes

No, I'm just saying that a lot of shoplifters are doing it because they want more things, not because they're literally starving like some people constantly insist.

Why is he still allowed to post here after all that racist and transphobic content he got suspended over?

SaikyoStyle posted...

Why is he still allowed to post here after all that racist and transphobic content he got suspended over?

Dunno, ask the mods I guess?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

No, I'm just saying that a lot of shoplifters are doing it because they want more things, not because they're literally starving like some people constantly insist.

So yeah, like I said, fuck them poor people, amirite? Everyone just steals for funsies in Gobshite's world.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

No, I'm just saying that a lot of shoplifters are doing it because they want more things, not because they're literally starving like some people constantly insist.

You're gonna run into the same problem the other dude ran face first into.

If there is a disparity along racial lines for these kinds of crimes then whats the alternative explanation if its not socioeconomic?

Are you saying different races have a predisposition for crime?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

ALL crime, I don't think anybody has said that. But rich people commit all sorts of crimes too. Maybe it's just a difference in mentality. Some people steal, hurt people, and drive dangerously just because it's what they want to do.

Meeting people's basic needs might solve the very lowest levels of crime, aka the elusive and mythical "shoplifting food because they have no other choice" archetype.

Other people who steal fancy clothes, nice perfumes and makeup, etc will just keep stealing those things because they don't want to spend the money to buy them.

I feel like you have a very poor understanding of what causes street level crime.

Things bleed into each other dude. "Poor people and society not caring about their needs and mental health doesn't matter because girls steal make-up kits." is one of the most sheltered idealogies I've heard in a while.

It's on par with the dude who disproved global warming by walking into congress with a snowball.

Murphiroth posted...

So yeah, like I said, fuck them poor people, amirite? Everyone just steals for funsies in Gobshite's world.

Continue being disingenuous if you like. It really doesn't bother me if you choose not to take criminal behavior seriously.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Continue being disingenuous if you like. It really doesn't bother me if you choose not to take criminal behavior seriously.

Like I said, Gob's Gonna Gob.

Didn't Seattle have to close two Target stores due to high crime?

jfc Phyllis just killed that man.

ClayGuida posted...

jfc Phyllis just killed that man.

She literally showcased the glib attitude the segment was advertising. The whole point of these clips was to show how people living in those cities are just denying that the problems exist, blaming others, and downplaying the situation.

Those who think this is a self own have no idea what the audience of Fox News is actually looking for. To them, this is an example of big city liberals shrugging off crime, and mocking people who might be concerned about it.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Continue being disingenuous if you like. It really doesn't bother me if you choose not to take criminal behavior seriously.

You calling anyone else disingenuous is almost as laughable as it taking an armed insurrection to "lift the veil from your eyes" regarding Trump.

You're definitely not sending your best, Gobbler.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

She literally showcased the glib attitude the segment was advertising. The whole point of these clips was to show how people living in those cities are just denying that the problems exist, blaming others, and downplaying the situation.

Those who think this is a self own have no idea what the audience of Fox News is actually looking for. To them, this is an example of big city liberals shrugging off crime, and mocking people who might be concerned about it.

Who is a guy doing drugs (the example that she shrugged off) hurting?

TheGoldenEel posted...

Who is a guy doing drugs (the example that she shrugged off) hurting?

Himself and the people around him.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

people around him.

how?

Murphiroth posted...

You calling anyone else disingenuous is almost as laughable as

I don't know what gave you the idea that your input matters to me, but keep talking to me I guess lol

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Those who think this is a self own have no idea what the audience of Fox News is actually looking for. To them, this is an example of big city liberals shrugging off crime, and mocking people who might be concerned about it.

Ok but the fox news audience is totally brainwashed.

You would know since you are a former trump supporter.

TheGoldenEel posted...

how?

Eh, Gob is being a little silly, but there definitely is issues with people doing drugs in public when it comes to safety.

My hometown (Canada, but still) has had several knife attacks this year. Pretty much all of them have been random attacks by people with addiction issues. That doesn't change the fact that this is a dumb Fox segment, but there is actual issues.

TheGoldenEel posted...

how?

A lot of drugs are illegal because of the way they affect the brain and behavior over the long and short term. They're unpredictable. People high on drugs do all kinds of things they wouldn't do if they weren't high in drugs.

That guy might not be doing anything at the exact moment, but people getting high on hard drugs in the open pose a risk to themselves and everybody around them. Harassment, theft, violence, it's all more likely to come from somebody who's high or drunk than someone who's not.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/media-spotlight/201803/how-are-substance-abuse-and-violence-related

electricbugs2 posted...

Eh, Gob is being a little silly, but there definitely is issues with people doing drugs in public when it comes to safety.

My hometown (Canada, but still) has had several knife attacks this year. Pretty much all of them have been random attacks by people with addiction issues. That doesn't change the fact that this is a dumb Fox segment, but there is actual issues.

Are these problems inherently because of drug use or is there some underlying cause of safety problems?

do people who do drugs in the privacy of their own home typically stab passersby?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

She literally showcased the glib attitude the segment was advertising. The whole point of these clips was to show how people living in those cities are just denying that the problems exist, blaming others, and downplaying the situation.

Those who think this is a self own have no idea what the audience of Fox News is actually looking for. To them, this is an example of big city liberals shrugging off crime, and mocking people who might be concerned about it.

You'd think the people living in those cities would know the problem more than people who are from out of state?

I mean imagine someone coming up to you to tell you that your town is an absolute shit hole, and you're like, is it?

I often defend Florida on this site because those that have never stepped foot in it, try to tell me it's a rainy monsoon 24/7 or some shit, and I'm like, no not at all. The weather here is fine, it's humid, but that's about the gist of the negativity when it comes to Florida weather.

I remember people telling me when I went to Chicago for a week, I'll probably wind up shot, because they're morons who watch Fox and the like regularly, ignoring that Chicago is an absolutely beautiful city with great spots and bad spots, like any city or town in America. Crime is crime, whether it's a population of 100 or 100,000,000, there's going to be crime.

I drive through Florida often and the homeless problem isn't just in the cities, the small towns with vagrants is just as common. You just have more homeless in metropolitan areas because there's factually more people. But 1/100 or 100/100,000 is a drastically different rate.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

A lot of drugs are illegal because of the way they affect the brain and behavior over the long and short term. They're unpredictable. People high on drugs do all kinds of things they wouldn't do if they weren't high in drugs.

That guy might not be doing anything at the exact moment, but people getting high on hard drugs in the open pose a risk to themselves and everybody around them. Harassment, theft, violence, it's all more likely to come from somebody who's high or drunk than someone who's not.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/media-spotlight/201803/how-are-substance-abuse-and-violence-related

So youre saying if these peoples basic needs were met, in this case shelter, then there wouldnt be a problem?

Most journalists, when confronted with the fact that every talking head they could get explicitly said on camera that the story wasn't true, would quietly drop the story.

Luckily for FOX, their people haven't even come close to an actual journalist by accident, so they just run the fucker anyway with the disclaimer that the people whose interviews they are about to show are "wrong."

TheGoldenEel posted...

Are these problems inherently because of drug use or is there some underlying cause of safety problems?

do people who do drugs in the privacy of their own home typically stab passersby?

Tough to say. Most of the stabbings I'm referring to happened near a strip mall in the downtown area where the addicts congregate. It's the "rough" area of town (At least as rough as it can be in a Canadian city of 100K).

There is several shelters in the area, but a lot of the addicts just don't use them for one reason or another.

TheGoldenEel posted...

So youre saying if these peoples basic needs were met, in this case shelter, then there wouldnt be a problem?

No I'm not. Shelters tend to be pretty unsafe in fact.