Poll of the Day > Trump can not win the future of democracy depends on this election.

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Yellow posted...

When you poll all of Bernie's policies he's just a centrist among Democrats. It's more radical not to support single-payer in terms of voters, it's only radical in the DC bubble. Even Joe Biden's wife admitted once in an interview that Joe Biden's positions on healthcare "might not be as good, but..."

He's just a Democrat from before the Clintons turned the party Republican-lite.

I don't think I have enough historical context to agree 100% with this but I definitely do generally. Clinton took his campaign and party rightwards to appeal to Republicans. He personally went down to Arkansas to campaign while Ricky Ray Rector was being sentenced to death so as to show his support for capital punishment.

Even guys like Mario Cuomo sound like Bernie compared to the modern Democrat. His "Tale of Two Cities" speech was very well done as a rebuke to Reagan's "City on the Hill".

Yellow posted...

When you poll all of Bernie's policies he's just a centrist among Democrats. It's more radical not to support single-payer in terms of voters, it's only radical in the DC bubble. Even Joe Biden's wife admitted once in an interview that Joe Biden's positions on healthcare "might not be as good, but..."

He's just a Democrat from before the Clintons turned the party Republican-lite.

Biden is alright. He lacks the showmanship and intellect of Obama but he has not been bad. Bernie would have been great but there are other progressives out there.

Judgmenl posted...

Not at all. I would not consider Trump a Republican, nor would I consider Sanders a Democrat.

the only coherent ideology in the republican party is loyalty to trump. you can't "no true scotsman" this one.

I honestly don't feel there's much "loyalty" to Trump in the Republican party. It's opportunism. They need his seemingly unflappable voterbase, and no one has yet figured out how to appeal to Trump's followers without alienating them, in no small part due to the fact that anyone who challenges Trump ends up squarely in his crosshairs, and Trump's base loves him most when he's on the attack.

If any member of the GOP cracks that nut and can successfully pull Trump's voters, the GOP would turn on Trump in a second

Far-Queue posted...

I honestly don't feel there's much "loyalty" to Trump in the Republican party. It's opportunism. They need his seemingly unflappable voterbase, and no one has yet figured out how to appeal to Trump's followers without alienating them, in no small part due to the fact that anyone who challenges Trump ends up squarely in his crosshairs, and Trump's base loves him most when he's on the attack.

If any member of the GOP cracks that nut and can successfully pull Trump's voters, the GOP would turn on Trump in a second

Pretty much. It's not a personal affinity for Trump, it's just having no sweet clue how to appeal to voters except to piggyback on him and whatever he's doing (that, and attacking LGBTQ people).

On the bright side, that fanbase is alienating more and more moderate voters as it becomes more extreme (dragging the GOP along with it), while the Democrats have generally been pretty unoffensive thanks to Biden being thoroughly unremarkable as a president (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), so that actually bodes pretty well for the Democrats' chances in the next election. It's hardly set in stone, and complacency will be extremely dangerous, but there's at least reason to be optimistic.