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NightingaleMD
10/09/23 9:47:57 PM
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Before you flame me or say I'm trolling...think about it

Always think of who gains

Putin has made it quite clear he's going to run out the clock. Recently as a few days ago was quoted as saying Russia will win "one week" after nato funding dries up.

So if he's not planning a new offensive (his October deadline he put on shoigu obviously failed) the next best tactic is indeed that...hold positions without advancing, forcing ukraine to blow through materiel.

But wouldn't you want that to go quickly? Best way is to accelerate Nato funds drying up.

That's my first point. It links to my second point.

Iran is backing Russia with drones. This is undisputed fact. Iran is also backing hamas. Also undisputed.

Israel has an excellent intelligence network and suddenly Hamas breaks through using strategy never seen? Clearly Iran tapped Russia as a mutual favor here: help us kill in Israel here (intelligence, etc, not direct involvement) and we'll keep providing drones.

Iran/Russia gets a combined victory over nato and Israel.


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10/09/23 9:48:51 PM
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Link?

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NightingaleMD
10/09/23 9:50:23 PM
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All of this, I think takes us closer to WW3. Concerned that hezbollah is also getting encouraged by this. A wider conflict is brewing.

I feel like the US will somehow find a reason to use this to invade Iran. Unclear what happens to ukraine funding, however.

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TetsuoS2
10/09/23 9:50:34 PM
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eh

https://nypost.com/2023/10/09/israel-ignored-warning-something-big-was-coming-egyptian-official/

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NightingaleMD
10/09/23 9:51:00 PM
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I dont like trump. I thought I liked ramaswamy but prefer haley now

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Antifar
10/09/23 9:51:51 PM
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NightingaleMD posted...
Israel has an excellent intelligence network and suddenly Hamas breaks through using strategy never seen?
People really overstate what intelligence agencies are capable of.

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NightingaleMD
10/09/23 9:53:48 PM
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Antifar posted...
People really overstate what intelligence agencies are capable of.

It's not just intelligence. Look at what they DID: a highly coordinated multi front attack. Executed, unfortunately, very well.

That's not the mark of a run of the mill terrorist organization. That's military style planning

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TetsuoS2
10/09/23 9:54:12 PM
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Antifar posted...
People really overstate what intelligence agencies are capable of.

Egypt supposedly warned Israel however.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/09/23 9:54:19 PM
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NightingaleMD
10/09/23 9:55:28 PM
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Okay

Well then

I kind of thought it was. You had me there. But if other people think the same thing i feel more certain

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SayHeyyShohei
10/09/23 9:57:02 PM
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When you take the blinders off and stop falling for authoritarian nation propaganda, you start to realize that none of this was ever about Palestine or its people.

Speaking towards the people who still don't get it, btw

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Antifar
10/09/23 9:57:20 PM
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NightingaleMD posted...
That's not the mark of a run of the mill terrorist organization. That's military style planning
I have seen enough b-roll footage of Al-Jazeera members climbing monkey bars to know that run of the mill terrorist organizations love military style planning.

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NightingaleMD
10/09/23 10:01:34 PM
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What I am speculating is entirely unproveable so opinion by consensus in some situations is helpful...

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Null_Gain
10/09/23 10:35:03 PM
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Remember how the previous PotUS turned over Israeli intel to Putin?

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solosnake
10/09/23 11:09:55 PM
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67058244

Questions about the involvement of Israel's arch-enemy Iran are already being asked in the wake of the deadly assault by Hamas on Israeli communities around the Gaza Strip.
A report in the Wall Street Journal quotes unnamed members of Hamas and the Lebanese guerrilla movement Hizbollah as saying that Iran gave the go-ahead for the attack a week ago.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Iran gave the green light for the attack at a meeting in Beirut last Monday.
Unnamed Hamas and Hezbollah sources told the newspaper that officers from Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked alongside Hamas since August to put together Saturday's complex air, land and sea operation.
Videos of the Hamas attack pointed to a level of sophistication far beyond the organisation's mostly crude attempts in the past to breach Israel's security fence surrounding the Gaza Strip.
The simultaneous use of rockets, drones, vehicles and powered hang-gliders suggested that the operation's planners had studied other recent examples of hybrid warfare, perhaps including Ukraine.


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--Zero-
10/09/23 11:14:38 PM
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TC is known for spreading conspiracy theories and being anti vax in the past. Im sure this topic was made in good faith.

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Necronmon
10/09/23 11:28:27 PM
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Remember how the previous PotUS turned over Israeli intel to Putin?

Did we ever know just what he told Russia? If THAT was related to what's going on now then Trump might be ten times more screwed over then before...
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Dark_Arbron
10/09/23 11:33:59 PM
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I mean, wasn't confiscating his conversations with Putin (illegal) a red flag? Example #525215 of "imagine if Obama did this."

Whatever deal with the devil Trump made to become bulletproof, hopefully recent events suggest that it's finally running out.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/10/23 4:53:52 AM
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--Zero- posted...
TC is known for spreading conspiracy theories and being anti vax in the past. Im sure this topic was made in good faith.

Broken clocks

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majin_nemesis
10/10/23 5:01:50 AM
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i don't think Russia wants to piss Israel off, not only Russia has enough enemies already, Israel is still one of the countries that isn't fully against Russia yet, also Israel allegedly has nukes and they might not give a crap about Putin's threats
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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 5:02:17 AM
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SayHeyyShohei posted...
Broken clocks

With the advent of digital clocks and 24 hour time I think we need to update this phrase.

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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 5:04:19 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
also Israel has nukes

CE lawyers have advised this statement be amended.

also Israel [allegedly] has nukes

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Anteaterking
10/10/23 5:08:28 AM
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This is just larping

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majin_nemesis
10/10/23 5:46:38 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
majin_nemesis posted...

also Israel has nukes

CE lawyers have advised this statement be amended.

also Israel [allegedly] has nukes
ok thanks i already went and edited the post
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Avirosb
10/10/23 5:48:18 AM
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No I don't think Russia is that capable.
They almost lost to themselves earlier this year.

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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 5:54:00 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
ok thanks i already went and edited the post

*wipes brow*

Good, were in the clear.

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Tom_Joad
10/10/23 5:58:43 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
CE lawyers have advised this statement be amended.

No, they do. And some are on ballistic missile subs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine

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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 6:03:12 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
No, they do. And some are on ballistic missile subs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin-class_submarine

Im joking about the old everyone knows Israel has nukes but no one says Israel has nukes meme. The open secret.

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Tom_Joad
10/10/23 6:06:21 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Im joking about the old everyone knows Israel has nukes but no one says Israel has nukes meme. The open secret.

Okay. When did this go back to being an open secret?

It was an open secret in the 80s. Stopped being so by the mid-90s... and now newer generations have forgotten all about it, so it's now an open secret again?

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Foppe
10/10/23 6:07:21 AM
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I remember that Drawn Together movie joked about Israel going nuclear.


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Avirosb
10/10/23 6:07:26 AM
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Israel has nukes, it's called the United States.

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Dark_Arbron
10/10/23 6:07:46 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Okay. When did this go back to being an open secret?

It was an open secret in the 80s. Stopped being so by the mid-90s... and now newer generations have forgotten all about it, so it's now an open secret again?

It might have changed since I gave it any serious thought. I just remember being told even in the 2000s everyone knows Israel has nukes but no one will admit it. Maybe I got misinformed intel, I dunno.

At any rate youre taking my joke post a little seriously.

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

Even this page lists Israel as presumed to have nuclear weapons. They also have a policy of not acknowledging whether they do or dont, which is what I was joking about. Its obvious they do.

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Tom_Joad
10/10/23 6:19:16 AM
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These guys tend to be extremely accurate.

https://nuke.fas.org/guide/israel/nuke/

https://fas.org/initiative/status-world-nuclear-forces/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_American_Scientists
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_American_Scientists#Nuclear_Information_Project

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Shadow_Don
10/10/23 6:26:11 AM
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NightingaleMD posted...
I dont like trump. I thought I liked ramaswamy but prefer haley now

The fact that you even considered vivek at all is lmfao

And right now Nikki haley is blatantly warhawking about Iran and spreading lies about biden aiding terrorists

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Karovorak
10/10/23 6:28:29 AM
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I mean, sure, the possibility is there.

Any conflict in the world, no matter where, could help to reduce the attention and support Ukraine currently gets, so ofc will Russia encourage them.

Putin is already meeting with the Iraqian president, and the fact russia media are already reporting that Abbas got invited into Russia too isn't a good look either, even if nothing official got confirmed so far.

But just because Russia cheers them for sure on it doesn't mean that they prepared and activily supported them in any meaningful way.

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NightingaleMD
10/10/23 7:50:37 AM
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--Zero- posted...
TC is known for spreading conspiracy theories and being anti vax in the past. Im sure this topic was made in good faith.


umm

wut

I like vaccines

You can't find one post ever where I've said vaccines are bad

I was the 183rd person in all of my state to get the pfizer covid shot

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10/10/23 10:05:02 AM
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Null_Gain
10/10/23 3:13:18 PM
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The former president has outrageous levels of plot armor

Necronmon posted...
Did we ever know just what he told Russia? If THAT was related to what's going on now then Trump might be ten times more screwed over then before...

All we know is that Israel was pissed about it.

Putin has all but pledged to sacrifice his entire country and population to conquer Ukraine, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that he helped create a big, new war to distract the West away from Ukraine.

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solosnake
10/10/23 9:15:19 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80590303

Holy shit, TC might be right

He was just missing the final link from russia to trump

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Trumble
10/10/23 9:54:36 PM
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Avirosb posted...
Israel has nukes, it's called the United States.
Israel has nukes, it's called actual literal nukes.

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