Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!

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and the scum team assumed I would receive one.

I still don't see why it would make sense for HIM to receive YOUR roleblock message in the event that you had one.

We cant decide anything until Ctes and Sheep claim anyway
Not that I particularly suspect them of much.

I still don't see why it would make sense for HIM to receive YOUR roleblock message in the event that you had one.

Imagine a different scenario with a bus driver who isn't bussing themselves.

Vanilla Does Nothing
Cop Scans Vanilla
Bus Driver Swaps Cop and Vanilla
Blocker blocks Cop

You think it makes sense for the Roleblock to happen before the Bus (stopping the cops scan) and then the Vanilla receives a "you were blocked" message?

Even if the Bus fully happened first then the Block would land on the vanilla (who would receive no message) and the cop would scan himself (having not been blocked because the bus directed the block to the vanilla)

If him is bct here, weren't they on separate nights?
Igcd blocked n1, bct on n2

Meaning bus driver gets roleblocked assumes the cop sent a scan and claims the RB

Yes, but what IGCD is saying is that that he (BCT) might be lying because he (BCT) might have assumed that he (IGCD) was going to take another night action tonight and that he (IGCD) would naturally be roleblocked again and so to sell his (BCT's) deception he (BCT) should claim he (BCT) received a roleblock message that would be a result of IGCD's roleblock being swapped onto him (BCT)

When in reality the whole bus driver + roleblock is a paradoxical clusterf*** because of the potential interactions. But BCT receiving a "you were roleblocked message" does not feel like it makes sense for ANY of the scenarios. He's either receiving IGCD's message, who shouldn't have one. Or BCT is receiving his own blocked message, even though the only way the block reaches him is AFTER the teleportation is successful.

But BCT claims that Crescent clarified that a block on the teleport target would result in a block to himself. (Which again, feels wrong)

And in that scenario what happens? Cop actually received a result? Because if cop was NOT blocked then the Bus Driver does not RECEIVE the cop's message. The driver doesn't receive "XX is Innocent/Guilty", right? So why would they receive "you were roleblocked"? Clearly they were NOT roleblocked if they bussed the roleblocker over to themselves.

And this is why BCT should be the lynch. There is nothing about their claim that makes any sense.

I'd prefer that over myself, obviously, but following it through I'm still not sure what actually happened?

Scum BCT receives a coupon and says "well I'm not gonna use that, but I'll pretend I swapped myself and IGCD and then say I got blocked. That'll look like a thing that really happened, right?" But then who does scum blocker actually block? And what does BCT do instead? And where did the scum kill go?

And if he flips town all we learned is that hosts decided to resolve complex night actions in a way that doesn't feel very intuitive. He's less likely to flip town than I am, I just wish BCT being a liar explained more than it would.

The cop would not recieve anything because they did not submit an action.

Vanilla Does Nothing
Cop Scans Vanilla
Bus Driver swaps Himself with Cop
Scum Blocker does not exist

In this scenario you think the cop would not receive a night action? I think cop would receive "vanilla is innocent" because not redirected their action away from the vanilla.

And if you change it to "Cop Scans Bus Driver" then the cop should receive "Cop is innocent" because their action got directed onto themselves, but it was still THEIR action.

In no scenario should the bus driver receive "so and so is innocent", just like in no scenario should the bus driver receive "you were roleblocked" on behalf of the cop.

I'll be honest, you're starting to convince me that you are protecting him..

This early, scum kills usually mean this player suspects me or we need to shoot players not likely to be protected or this player might be a power role. Conspiracy framing is endgame stuff.

FD is as damned as Dumey is please get out of your own heads. I'm fine analyzing other targets but we literally have roles on the board saying FD only makes sense as scum.

So with red's conviction here i am leaning towards killing fd

FD scum is the only result thst clarifiesshit we actually have on the table.

Also Dumey was SEEN visiting the dead person.

I was allegedly jailkept which could also mean that a kill on me was stopped.

Not sure how you think those are the same.

\Then you better start thinking what FD Town clarifies because THAT is what you are going to get if you lynch me.

Scum isn't fucking shooting into the neighborhood again.

The reasonable explanation is you are scum.

Then tell me what scenario explains me being town, because THAT'S the one that actually happened