Current Events > Sen. Manchin Faces Uphill Battle Against Gov. Justice.

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Rial_Kai
10/13/23 5:13:00 PM
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https://emersoncollegepolling.com/west-virginia-2024-poll-sen-manchin-faces-uphill-battle-against-gov-justice-but-leads-rep-mooney/leads-rep-mooney/
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TimeForAction
10/13/23 5:14:45 PM
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Hes gone
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Doe
10/13/23 5:14:46 PM
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Losing a nominal Dem for a Republican is bad no?

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luigi33
10/13/23 5:17:38 PM
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WV was always on borrowed time. An ambitious Dem party can pick up Senate seats in other places if they go on the offensive.

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nocturnal_traveler
10/13/23 5:18:00 PM
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With a name like Justice, Man Chin doesn't stand a chance.

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Inohira
10/13/23 5:18:12 PM
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Manchin is doomed and his loss is gonna be the one satisfying Republican win. Dude's an asshole.

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A_Good_Boy
10/13/23 5:18:31 PM
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Doe posted...
Losing a nominal Dem for a Republican is bad no?
It's Manchin, so what's the difference?

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Sariana21
10/13/23 5:26:07 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It's Manchin, so what's the difference?
Huge.

Losing a seat is losing a seat. It risks control of the chamber, committees, etc.

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Inohira
10/13/23 5:27:35 PM
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Doe posted...
Losing a nominal Dem for a Republican is bad no?

Technically yes. But Manchin is an optical disaster for the Dems. He constantly casts question upon the party's progressive initiatives and tries to make himself look like the only "sane" Dem. in the room. He forces the party into corporate leaning deals and in the absence of them obstructs and kills legislation every other member supported, making the party look divided and chaotic (even though it's only him causing the problem). The party would fare better on a political level if Manchin either started identifying as an independent or just left Congress.

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BlueTigerLion
10/13/23 5:28:45 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It's Manchin, so what's the difference?

Manchin still votes with Dems on a lot of stuff. You would be going from that to a Republican who might not.

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emblem-man
10/13/23 5:46:17 PM
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Link doesn't work for me, but is TC saying he'd prefer a Republican to Mancin in the Senate?

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Solar_Crimson
10/13/23 5:52:10 PM
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Yeah, Manchin was the best Dem we could get out of WV, so if he loses, then WV is a lost cause.

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Srk700
10/13/23 5:52:40 PM
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Manchin sucks but it can always be far worse. And with the state of the Republican party, a Republican in his seat is a case of something far worse.
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luigi33
10/13/23 5:54:59 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Yeah, Manchin was the best Dem we could get out of WV, so if he loses, then WV is a lost cause.
At the same time if your gameplan hinges on Manchin and fucking West Virginia of all places, you've already lost the plot. Better start fighting for more seats.

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yeaisaidit
10/13/23 5:59:04 PM
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Definitely seems like the overall national mood is beginning to shift right of center though. Its been a tough few years for most people, and now with this madness happening around israel and hamas, ukraine and russia, inflation you have to expect that people will want to see a change.
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Doe
10/13/23 6:07:44 PM
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yeaisaidit posted...
Definitely seems like the overall national mood is beginning to shift right of center though.
I do not agree. Or at least, what does right of center even mean anymore?

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yeaisaidit
10/13/23 6:10:26 PM
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That is a good question
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furb
10/13/23 6:12:55 PM
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West Virgina has been historically dominated by democrats. It used to be among the most solidly democratic states in the country. The switch is a recent phenomena there. It rather surprises me the national democratic party has been content to watch the state party collapse.

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SimulationSwarm
10/13/23 6:16:36 PM
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Manchin is the reason the dem party has been destroyed in WV. For years he systematically destroyed the party and now its a republican stronghold. So fuck him. Good riddance

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The_shibe
10/13/23 6:21:16 PM
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Get fucked manchin! Now do sinema next, electorate, lol.


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Tyranthraxus
10/13/23 6:23:55 PM
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The_shibe posted...
Get fucked manchin! Now do sinema next, electorate, lol.
Sinema is toast for sure.

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ClayGuida
10/13/23 6:26:26 PM
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Sariana21 posted...
Huge.

Losing a seat is losing a seat. It risks control of the chamber, committees, etc.
Well, perhaps he shouldn't have catered to never Dems then.

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Sir_Will
10/13/23 6:28:27 PM
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Doe posted...
Losing a nominal Dem for a Republican is bad no?
Yes.

He sucks but is still better than a Republican. I guess the only win is that some just see raw numbers and don't get that Dems can't do whatever they want with obstructionists like him around. But they could still do some things at least.

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The_shibe
10/13/23 6:37:28 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Sinema is toast for sure.

:)

Sir_Will posted...
Yes.

He sucks but is still better than a Republican. I guess the only win is that some just see raw numbers and don't get that Dems can't do whatever they want with obstructionists like him around. But they could still do some things at least.

biden could have ended anti-voting rights measures if it werent for sinema and manchin, so as bad as this is, I am happy he is done for


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Inohira
10/13/23 6:37:36 PM
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Sir_Will posted...
I guess the only win is that some just see raw numbers and don't get that Dems can't do whatever they want with obstructionists like him around.

Pretty much. Dems having 51+ but still not doing things makes the common uninformed voter think they're incompetent and that voting in Dems is useless. It's extremely unhelpful.

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DarthAragorn
10/13/23 6:38:25 PM
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Doe posted...
I do not agree. Or at least, what does right of center even mean anymore?
"Right of center" in the US is fucking fascism

And yes we are beginning to shift that way

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The_shibe
10/13/23 6:42:18 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
"Right of center" in the US is fucking fascism

And yes we are beginning to shift that way

pretty much. Trump moved the Overton window.

far left in the US = left wing in the rest of the west

left wing in the us = moderate in the west

moderate in the us = conservative in the rest of the west

moderate in the us = right wing in the rest of the west

right of center in the us = hard right in the rest of the west

right wing in the us = racial radical recalcitrant Alt right

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UnholyMudcrab
10/13/23 6:48:03 PM
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Celebrating Manchin losing his seat doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Are you going to make the argument that it's worse to have someone who votes with the Democrats most of the time, than to have someone who votes with them none of the time?

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yeaisaidit
10/13/23 6:49:26 PM
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The_shibe posted...
pretty much. Trump moved the Overton window.

far left in the US = left wing in the rest of the west

left wing in the us = moderate in the west

moderate in the us = conservative in the rest of the west

moderate in the us = right wing in the rest of the west

right of center in the us = hard right in the rest of the west

right wing in the us = racial radical recalcitrant Alt right
Where are you getting this?

DarthAragorn posted...
"Right of center" in the US is fucking fascism

And yes we are beginning to shift that way
Lol wtf no it isnt? Fascism is like totalitarian militarism. Weve never been anywhere near that.
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DrizztLink
10/13/23 6:51:00 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Celebrating Manchin losing his seat doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Are you going to make the argument that it's worse to have someone who votes with the Democrats most of the time, than to have someone who votes with them none of the time?
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luigi33
10/13/23 7:06:28 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Celebrating Manchin losing his seat doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
He was never going to survive in a post Trump era. WV was destined to become a Right Wing Stronghold. Instead of crying about it, fight for other seats that are vulnerable. Manchin had his uses but he definitely was bad overall for the Democratic party.

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Torgo
10/13/23 7:07:44 PM
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No real loss for democrats, might actually be better to lose such a disruptive and corrupt democrat in the long run.

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yeaisaidit
10/14/23 12:37:40 AM
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bump
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Dark_Arbron
10/14/23 12:42:08 AM
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yeaisaidit posted...
Definitely seems like the overall national mood is beginning to shift right of center though. Its been a tough few years for most people, and now with this madness happening around israel and hamas, ukraine and russia, inflation you have to expect that people will want to see a change.

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That's a lot of words to just say what you actually mean: "gas prices are Biden's fault, vote Trump back in and he'll fix it!"

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divot1338
10/14/23 12:47:50 AM
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yeaisaidit posted...
Definitely seems like the overall national mood is beginning to shift right of center though. Its been a tough few years for most people, and now with this madness happening around israel and hamas, ukraine and russia, inflation you have to expect that people will want to see a change.
Imagine seeing the wars in Ukraine and Israel and thinking they werent caused by far right policies.

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yeaisaidit
10/14/23 4:11:10 AM
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Holy fuck
Dark_Arbron posted...
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That's a lot of words to just say what you actually mean: "gas prices are Biden's fault, vote Trump back in and he'll fix it!"
?? Wtf.. you just put a lot of ideas into peoples heads? No clue what youre talking about
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yeaisaidit
10/14/23 4:15:52 PM
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divot1338 posted...
Imagine seeing the wars in Ukraine and Israel and thinking they werent caused by far right policies.
What do you mean by this? Putin is obviously right wing, idk what youre trying to say here though
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CoyoteTheGreat
10/14/23 4:19:59 PM
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Doe posted...
Losing a nominal Dem for a Republican is bad no?

Manchin and Justice are literally interchangeable. Justice used to be a "Democrat" too. I think it is better to not have a fake democrat constantly in the news with "concerns" about their party though, especially when Republicans are always lockstep behind whatever evil they want to do.

It also means that people won't have false expectations from the Senate based on just what the numbers look like.

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luigi33
10/14/23 5:29:50 PM
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Manchin kills excitement and support for Dems. Let's be honest. He's poison for dems in the long run.

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The_shibe
10/14/23 5:35:08 PM
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luigi33 posted...
Manchin kills excitement and support for Dems. Let's be honest. He's poison for dems in the long run.


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CoyoteTheGreat
10/14/23 5:37:05 PM
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luigi33 posted...
Manchin kills excitement and support for Dems. Let's be honest. He's poison for dems in the long run.

Yeah, I don't think some people really understand this though. Or at least, they didn't until Sinema, who even the most ardent defenders of this kind of Democrat finally had to admit just fucking sucked. Its always going to be a sadistic choice though between a fake democrat and a real republican.

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Ruvan22
10/14/23 5:37:45 PM
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yeaisaidit posted...
Definitely seems like the overall national mood is beginning to shift right of center though. Its been a tough few years for most people, and now with this madness happening around israel and hamas, ukraine and russia, inflation you have to expect that people will want to see a change.


Where are you getting this?
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The_shibe
10/14/23 5:43:03 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
Where are you getting this?

probably breitbart or an even more obscure right wing place with a name such as the uncorrupted pure patriot of the west post

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Anteaterking
10/14/23 5:49:43 PM
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Watching Dems in right leaning districts just be completely ineffective in an attempt to "cater to their base" when the writing is on the wall is honestly one of the most depressing parts of the party.

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pretzelcoatl
10/14/23 5:51:18 PM
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Inohira posted...
Manchin is doomed and his loss is gonna be the one satisfying Republican win. Dude's an asshole.
The guy is a republican so this isn't really a loss for Manchin. He probably got what he wanted at this point.
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Humble_Novice
10/14/23 5:54:28 PM
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Inohira posted...
Technically yes. But Manchin is an optical disaster for the Dems. He constantly casts question upon the party's progressive initiatives and tries to make himself look like the only "sane" Dem. in the room. He forces the party into corporate leaning deals and in the absence of them obstructs and kills legislation every other member supported, making the party look divided and chaotic (even though it's only him causing the problem). The party would fare better on a political level if Manchin either started identifying as an independent or just left Congress.
Whose alt is this?

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Humble_Novice
10/15/23 8:12:29 PM
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Up.

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