Current Events > People who think skill can beat size and strength in a fight are hilarious

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Size and strength will always beat skill.

Thats why Francis Ngannnou became UFC Champion he was more powerful than anyone and dominated despite his lack of real martial arts training.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwnWooao2Ag/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Big dude literally bench pressed his opponents out of putting him into a submission hold.

Well it not guaranteed:

https://youtu.be/onjzFGkRHOU?feature=shared

https://reddit.com/r/bjj/s/xHxbxDAkpf

https://reddit.com/r/BrutalBeatDownss2/s/My1ToHsVdS

And this not pros level guys

skill can absolutely beat size and strength up to a point. Obviously a 4ft kickboxer isn't really going to beat someone like The Rock or Shaq in a street fight

It's silly to say strength and size don't matter in a fight, but it's also silly to say skill can't beat size and strength. There's lots of different factors at play in a fight regardless. Even luck is one.

Skill CAN beat strength and size, as long they're not overwhelming.
And just CAN, not always will.

Ratchetrockon posted...

https://reddit.com/r/BrutalBeatDownss2/s/My1ToHsVdS

And this not pros level guys

The last link literally says it is a professional against a civilian

Also in the 1st ufc. Royce gracie was beating up guys with more muscle than him

A weak scrawny guy who knows what hes doing would destroy boogie2988 in a fight

Ratchetrockon posted...

Also in the 1st ufc. Royce gracie was beating up guys with more muscle than him

LMAO, so the greatest of all time jujitsu master beat some big guys one time

Damn_Underscore posted...

A weak scrawny guy who knows what hes doing would destroy boogie2988 in a fight

Im pretty sure boogie is chronically ill.

Obviously, Im assuming someone who is not sick.

NittanyLions23 posted...

The last link literally says it is a professional against a civilian

So in other words skill beat size and strength?

Man, it's almost like being the larger fighter isn't a guaranteed win.

NittanyLions23 posted...

The last link literally says it is a professional against a civilian

I should have just said high level not pro level

Umbreon posted...

So in other words skill beat size and strength?

Man, it's almost like being the larger fighter isn't a guaranteed win.

Professionals are like 0.00001% of the population.

NittanyLions23 posted...

LMAO, so the greatest of all time jujitsu master beat some big guys one time

He is not considered high level anymore

BTW, Royce Gracie is 61 so hes no small guy

NittanyLions23 posted...

BTW, Royce Gracie is 61 so hes no small guy

His opponents outweighed him by like 25-50 pounds

NittanyLions23 posted...

Professionals are like 0.00001% of the population.

Your topic title is mocking those who believe skill can be a deciding factor in a fight vs size and strength.

Professional fighters being a minority doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. You don't get to go "No, not like that!" unless you're also putting on clown makeup.

there are no absolutes in a fight
skill can beat strength and size since it has happened and will happen again
the whole premise of this topic is flawed

Theres not a single professional fighter that could beat someone from a higher weight class without also getting to that weight themselves.

notice that I didnt say that theres not someone who could move up in a weight class and win.

Im saying theres not somebody who could fight at 150 pounds and beat someone who is 200 pounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plQnUT92bo

Also francis has like 13 years boxing experience so he wasnt as untrained as ppl think

Ratchetrockon posted...

Also francis has like 13 years boxing experience so he wasnt as untrained as ppl think

source?

NittanyLions23 posted...

source?

You have to trust me, please

voldothegr8 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plQnUT92bo

No this doesn't count because...

Ratchetrockon posted...

You have to trust me, please

LOL !!

so that number just came from where??

NittanyLions23 posted...

LOL !!

so that number just came from where??

Trust

hilarious in the saddest way possible

Ahh ok imbd says Francis started pursuing boxing when he was 22. Ain't he like 40 now?

Also there are older clips of Francis in kickboxing matches from early 2010s. Idk if there are any for boxing im too lazy to look.

The 13 years experience part truly does require you to trust me tbh. Idr where it came from

I mean, there's a lot of factors but a bottom tier heavyweight would beat a top tier lightweight 95% of the time.

People pick random big guys who are just fat, slow, and unskilled and use it as an example.

Two average people, one a black belt and one tall and built but no skill will win 95% of the time.

all the proof we need that tc is wrong
https://youtu.be/mqCgeZrTMxQ?si=xB-OcH-628iH_rNy

the ballad of cheeseburger josh
https://youtu.be/ZAzYM3YNPEo

Also I'm not wearing my corrective lenses rn so its hard for me to read stuff on my phone

There's a reason for weight classes

But the biggest of normies will struggle with a skilled opponent. Gotta literally be The Mountain

Also I think floyd vs Logan Paul boxing match was a good example of high skill doing ok again size n str.

Idr who won that match but the fact that floyd didn't get knocked out and kept boxing the entire time is just amazing to me

But ik this wasn't a "real" fight. Logan knows some wrestling so would have prob won in a street fight

Ratchetrockon posted...

Ahh ok imbd says Francis started pursuing boxing when he was 22.

so youre telling me someone can start doing something at the age of 22 and become UFC champion?

That would never fucking happen in boxing.

UFC is about fighting, not really a sport.

Thats why Francis Ngannou wins.

Hes bigger and stronger than everyone so he can just pick something up in his adulthood and become the world champion.

Like others said, it depends on context.

Two randos in a street fight, yeah moneys on the bigger and stronger one. A bigger rando against a smaller rando who has skill could be in the smaller persons favor.

NittanyLions23 posted...

The last link literally says it is a professional against a civilian

So, a skilled person vs a person with size and strength, but no skill?

VeesMcGees posted...

Like others said, it depends on context.

Two randos in a street fight, yeah moneys on the bigger and stronger one.

obviously.

A bigger rando against a smaller rando who has skill could be in the smaller persons favor.

This is where you are wrong.

Unless the smaller guy is literally like a UFC fighter, the smaller guy is still going to lose to the bigger guy.

ArchNemo posted...

Two average people, one a black belt and one tall and built but no skill will win 95% of the time.

This doesnt make sense. Are you saying the black belt would usually win, or the person who is tall and built with no training or skill to defend themselves?

Based on the context of the rest of your post, it seems to imply you believe the person with no ability to defend themselves would win virtually all of the time against a person who has had years of training and demonstrable skills to do such.

Ricemills posted...

So, a skilled person vs a person with size and strength, but no skill?

A professional is an outlier.

As the original post shows:

NittanyLions23 posted...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwnWooao2Ag/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

A big guy can walk into your average dojo and beat any small guy in there.

NittanyLions23 posted...

so youre telling me someone can start doing something at the age of 22 and become UFC champion?

That would never fucking happen in boxing.

UFC is about fighting, not really a sport.

Thats why Francis Ngannou wins.

Hes bigger and stronger than everyone so he can just pick something up in his adulthood and become the world champion.

Alex volkanovski also started mma at 22. became featherweight champ in the ufc and didn't get completely demolished by current lightweight champ when he tried to go double champ the 1st time (he did better than Charles the former LW champ!). He's legit smaller than most of the ppl he faces. At least it looks that way to me. He is just extremely skilled. so he does ok.

Maybe the skill stuff only matter for the lower weights since less KO chance??

I see where you are going tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbbUhIH1a4&t=17s

I think it's funny that people remember Bruce Lee as being a "small" guy with a lot of skill.

Dude was 5'6'', but 185lbs at his beefiest. That is insane.

NittanyLions23 posted...

A professional is an outlier.

what do you think skill means?

Robot2600 posted...

I think it's funny that people remember Bruce Lee as being a "small" guy with a lot of skill.

Dude was 5'6'', but 185lbs at his beefiest. That is insane.

yeah, you can still be short, but big.

Short guys need to get into the gym and become little meatballs.

Short guy with a stocky build is a respectable physique.

Rai_Jin posted...

what do you think skill means?

Theres a difference between someone who casually trains jujitsu once or twice per week, and someone who has a career as a professional fighter.

Robot2600 posted...

I think it's funny that people remember Bruce Lee as being a "small" guy with a lot of skill.

Dude was 5'6'', but 185lbs at his beefiest. That is insane.

Bruce Lee was 57 and typically weighed around 135, and briefly experimented with gaining weight up to around 165. He stated that building more muscle and increasing his weight made him slower, and performed better when he was not at around 165.

While filming Enter The Dragon, Lees weight dropped to just 125!

NittanyLions23 posted...

Size and strength will always beat skill.

nope
while Size and strength are a big advantage they don't mean that you will always win especially if you have never been in a fight and you don't know how to fight and there's also the detail of how much size and strenght are you talking about? because you need quite a lot of difference to make up for skill

You aren't going anywhere without any skill whatsoever. Though once you have some level of competency at fighting, a large weight gap is going to normally be far more impactful than a large skill gap.