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brestugo 10/19/23 2:46:09 PM #1: |
https://www.courtnewsohio.gov/cases/2023/SCO/previews/1024-25/1024-25.asp
High school students from two eastern Ohio counties will have a chance next week to observe legal arguments made before the Supreme Court of Ohio. Some might feel like they instead are in an English class. [story continues] --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 10/19/23 2:48:32 PM #2: |
Uh oh, probably the one time that being a Grammar Nazi wouldve likely saved the courts a whole lot of headaches, just sayin.
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Tyranthraxus 10/19/23 2:50:18 PM #3: |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zim09f0VsQ
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TheDurinator 10/19/23 2:50:18 PM #4: |
Daily reminder to always use the Oxford comma and avoid situations like these. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_Popo 10/19/23 2:50:29 PM #5: |
Supreme Court of Ohio? Sorry farmer, youre getting some DDT sprayed all over your property.
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brestugo 10/19/23 2:50:56 PM #6: |
Agent_Stroud posted...
Uh oh, probably the one time that being a Grammar Nazi wouldve likely saved the courts a whole lot of headaches, just sayin. In a legal document especially. Who'd think a comma mattered so much? --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/19/23 2:52:48 PM #8: |
The_Popo posted...
Supreme Court of Ohio? Sorry farmer, youre getting some DDT sprayed all over your property. Yeah, I'm with the family on this one. Who's to say what that herbicide is going to be if it's allowed? --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 10/19/23 3:00:03 PM #9: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zim09f0VsQ Thats the same Lawtuber who inadvertently exposed Illuminaughtii as a very bad person after she falsely accused him of stealing her editing styles, yeah? Mad props to him for being the hero we didnt deserve in that instance, as he helped get long overdue justice for the people she wronged over the years, even if I dont necessarily agree with him on everything he covers. Sorry, back on topic now, hopefully the courts figure this one out since thats gotta be annoying to try and decipher a court document from the late forties as to the original intentions of whoever wrote it. --- "We're going to shake things up, Morgan. Like old times." -- Alex Yu, Prey (2017) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 10/19/23 3:02:29 PM #10: |
Agent_Stroud posted...
Thats the same Lawtuber who inadvertently exposed Illuminaughtii as a very bad person after she falsely accused him of stealing her editing styles, yeah? Mad props to him for being the hero we didnt deserve in that instance, as he helped get long overdue justice for the people she wronged over the years, even if I dont necessarily agree with him on everything he covers.Illuminaughti did it to herself when she, completely unprompted, accused that YouTuber of plagiarism. He didn't uncover/do anything except deny the claim and present evidence that he had used the alleged plagiarized material before she did. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 10/19/23 3:05:52 PM #11: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Illuminaughti did it to herself when she, completely unprompted, accused that YouTuber of plagiarism. He didn't uncover/do anything except deny the claim and present evidence that he had used the alleged plagiarized material before she did. Still though, I have respect for him over that, and for him sticking up for the people shes attempting to sue to try and keep them from speaking up against her, as thats a honorable thing in my opinion. I dont want to derail the thread any further though, so Ill stop talking about it out of respect for TC. --- "We're going to shake things up, Morgan. Like old times." -- Alex Yu, Prey (2017) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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animebop 10/19/23 3:06:00 PM #12: |
I think the comma question I would agree with the company. I'm not sure if I think herbicide counts as "removing" though. Won't the plant matter still be there? So it's more like killing than trimming, cutting, or removing.
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Starks 10/19/23 3:07:58 PM #13: |
Always Oxford comma
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Tyranthraxus 10/19/23 3:08:31 PM #14: |
animebop posted...
I think the comma question I would agree with the company. I'm not sure if I think herbicide counts as "removing" though. Won't the plant matter still be there? So it's more like killing than trimming, cutting, or removing.They talk about removal being a synonym for eradication. Personally I think it should count because otherwise the law reads like it's ok to use herbicide as long as you also cut the plants somehow which doesn't make any sense. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 10/19/23 3:08:47 PM #15: |
Reminds me of that trucker back-pay case.
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animebop 10/19/23 3:16:54 PM #16: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
They talk about removal being a synonym for eradication. Personally I think it should count because otherwise the law reads like it's ok to use herbicide as long as you also cut the plants somehow which doesn't make any sense. I think it's okay to use herbicide as long as it is needed to trim, cut, or remove the plant. There's some common sense here. Would the company be allowed to just use dynamite because they want to? Obviously not, and it's because there are easier ways to remove the plant. --- Internet + video game message board = upper-middle class + never-employed = libertarian ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 10/19/23 3:21:14 PM #17: |
animebop posted...
I think it's okay to use herbicide as long as it is needed to trim, cut, or remove the plant. There's some common sense here. Would the company be allowed to just use dynamite because they want to? Obviously not, and it's because there are easier ways to remove the plant. There's different laws saying you can't use explosives. There's nothing inherently illegal about herbicides. Are you gonna convict someone under this law if they pour out a beer on their lawn? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ar0ge 10/19/23 3:28:06 PM #18: |
I guess I don't understand how the comma or lack thereof changes the definition of "remove" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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animebop 10/19/23 3:29:42 PM #19: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
There's different laws saying you can't use explosives. There's nothing inherently illegal about herbicides. Are you gonna convict someone under this law if they pour out a beer on their lawn? There's nothing inherently illegal about using explosives, either. In fact, companies do use explosives to remove trees sometimes. The key part of my post is "just because they want to." Your scenario doesn't make sense. If someone has an easement, it's not THEIR lawn. In general, people should have limited rights to pour beer on someone else's property. Ar0ge posted... I guess I don't understand how the comma or lack thereof changes the definition of "remove" It's 2 separate arguments, and the 2nd argument only matters if the company wins the first argument. First is, can the company "remove" or "trim and remove" ? If they can only "trim and remove," then they likely can't use herbicides. Second, are herbicides "removing"? --- Internet + video game message board = upper-middle class + never-employed = libertarian ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 10/19/23 3:33:03 PM #20: |
Ar0ge posted...
I guess I don't understand how the comma or lack thereof changes the definition of "remove" For laypeople like us, it wouldnt make any sense, but lawyers live for instances like this since it could very well make or break their case. --- "We're going to shake things up, Morgan. Like old times." -- Alex Yu, Prey (2017) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bad_Mojo 10/19/23 3:55:59 PM #21: |
Im great at using commas.
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Doe 10/19/23 3:56:42 PM #22: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zim09f0VsQJust what I thought of lol --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paragon21XX 10/19/23 4:44:41 PM #23: |
Claiming that the lack of a comma indicates a different intended meaning of the clause results in poor sentence structure ("right to trim, cut and remove" has both a spurious comma and a missing conjunction and would be correctly written as "right to trim and to cut and remove").
Interpreting the sentence as being grammatically correct already means that "trim," "cut," and "remove" are all separate actions that may be utilized by the utility to guarantee right-of-way for power lines on an otherwise privately-owned property. --- Politicians are the weeds of the galaxy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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noisetank 10/19/23 4:48:18 PM #24: |
Starks posted...
Always Oxford comma --- Grim Reaper: "Your time has come" Xsquader: "sir whats your badge number?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aressar 10/19/23 5:03:46 PM #25: |
I've always suspected that Murricans have no sense of nuance and context, and instead are overly fixated on semantics, but now I'm certain about it. I guess it's also in line with how sueing people/companies is a popular get-rich-quick scheme in Murrica.
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brestugo 10/19/23 5:11:09 PM #26: |
Ar0ge posted... I guess I don't understand how the comma or lack thereof changes the definition of "remove" The difference between "the right to trim, cut and remove [the debris]" vs. "the right to trim, cut [missing comma?] and remove [trees]" [brackets mine] is that the 1st interpretation means pretty much what it says - cut and remove debris. The second interpretation - adding a comma - gives the company the ability to use herbicides - or seemingly whatever they think will "remove" trees, when without the "missing" comma it seems to me the sentence is clearly about just "removing debris". --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gritty 10/19/23 8:36:09 PM #27: |
Comma chameleon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Letsago 10/20/23 2:32:16 AM #28: |
This is a good opportunity for me to ask: is the Oxford comma issue an American vs. British thing? When I'm reading a journal article, most that don't use the Oxford comma seem to use British spelling.
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_____Cait 10/20/23 2:38:52 AM #29: |
Letsago posted...
This is a good opportunity for me to ask: is the Oxford comma issue an American vs. British thing? When I'm reading a journal article, most that don't use the Oxford comma seem to use British spelling. They definitely teach it in American schools. Either people dont remember how to use it, or they are just stubborn and think it doesnt matter. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/20/23 5:09:18 AM #30: |
_____Cait posted...
They definitely teach it in American schools. Either people dont remember how to use it, or they are just stubborn and think it doesnt matter. That can vary widely. --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BurmesePenguin 10/20/23 5:41:16 AM #31: |
brestugo posted...
The difference between "the right to trim, cut and remove [the debris]"Where do trees come from the term 'remove'? Would you even use pesticide when doing anything with trees? The way I read it is that the farmers want to read 'remove' as the act following trimming and cutting and the electric company wants to read it as a primary act in itself that pesticides can be used to accomplish, ei: "removing"/exterminating plant matter. --- Sigful User Logic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/20/23 5:46:25 AM #32: |
BurmesePenguin posted...
Where do trees come from the term 'remove'? What else do you think the company wants to 'remove'? It's not the power lines. They want to use a defoliant, "Agent Orange" style. --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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indica 10/20/23 5:55:36 AM #33: |
TheDurinator posted...
Daily reminder to always use the Oxford comma and avoid situations like these.Daily reminder you sound pretentious and situations like this are a rare occurrence where the Oxford comma is actually useful --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TimeForAction 10/20/23 5:57:47 AM #34: |
Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ricemills 10/20/23 6:07:48 AM #35: |
TimeForAction posted...
Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma Ironically, this attitude is the one created this legal dispute lmao. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 10/20/23 6:20:13 AM #36: |
If we are going by the definition of remove from 1948, are we also using herbicide from 1948? Google says that 2, 4-d was commercially released in 1946. So they were able to create a law and pass it specifically for this in less than 2 years?
Anyway I'm team family, cut and then remove debris. They cut near powerlines here almost annually. They have a big ass saw hooked to a pole that's on a giant semi and they just mow down everything within 5 feet of the power lines. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/20/23 6:21:33 AM #37: |
Ricemills posted...
Ironically, this attitude is the one created this legal dispute lmao. Yeah, it sounds esoteric, but it's the difference between a crew coming in and cutting down trees, vs. some 'Agent Orange' type of chemical be used on private property. --- Putin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 10/20/23 7:14:36 AM #38: |
brestugo posted...
Yeah, it sounds esoteric, but it's the difference between a crew coming in and cutting down trees, vs. some 'Agent Orange' type of chemical be used on private property.it's a real commaotion --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BTH_Phoenix 10/20/23 10:29:30 AM #40: |
comma doesn't matter, "remove" in itself gives broad authority
some lawyers just like to hold everything up with technicalities and make as much $$$ as they can along the way --- *whoosh* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 10/20/23 10:50:05 AM #41: |
This is like with the 2nd Amendment. A comma makes all the difference in the world here.
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texanfan27 10/20/23 10:55:36 AM #42: |
they shouldnt use herbicide period, crap contaminants everything. Do the job right, not quick.
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warlock7735 10/20/23 11:13:49 AM #43: |
BTH_Phoenix posted...
comma doesn't matter, "remove" in itself gives broad authorityTrim and remove would imply removal after trimming. Trim, and remove would imply the two acts being meaningfully separate. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DKBananaSlamma 10/20/23 11:16:56 AM #44: |
I always use the oxford comma
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