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Humble_Novice 10/22/23 12:05:22 PM #1: |
Most cities have homeless problems and lots of vacant housing units, but everything is magnified in San Francisco. Last year, there were 7,700 people living in shelters or on the street in the city by the bay, according to city figures. Meanwhile, there were more than 60,000 vacant units at the end of 2021, according to a policy analysis from last fall, although that figure included newly built apartments and those awaiting sale. Enter the vacant home tax. --- Miss the old GameFAQs politics board? Then come here to discuss it with us: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamefaqs261/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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codey 10/22/23 12:10:46 PM #2: |
Unfortunately I don't see just placing more multifamily units on the market as a solution to end homelessness, because those units are still going to be unaffordable to persons experiencing homelessness. The units will instead be filled by people that actually afford to live in SF.
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Notti 10/22/23 12:13:42 PM #3: |
Landlords would rather people be homeless if it increases their other properties value.
Hoardin their land. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 10/22/23 12:14:46 PM #4: |
Fortunately, there's at least one person trying to make things right in San Francisco: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/san-francisco-housing-market-broken-090000573.html
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AnsestralRecall 10/22/23 12:15:25 PM #5: |
fuck whoever voted 'the homeless' ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 10/22/23 12:16:54 PM #6: |
AnsestralRecall posted...
fuck whoever voted 'the homeless'It's probably some MAGA cultist who voted for that while lurking in the board. --- Miss the old GameFAQs politics board? Then come here to discuss it with us: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamefaqs261/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 10/22/23 12:26:19 PM #7: |
My solution to this is charge people higher taxes on properties they own.
1 property, you pay a standard property tax. 2 properties, you pay double. 3 properties triple. Make it unprofitable for them to let these properties sit empty, or even owning more than a couple. And those that want to pay those higher tax margins, so be it. If you want to own 10 properties and pay 10x the normal tax rate per property, so be it. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Dream87 10/22/23 12:33:58 PM #8: |
Fuck it, seize the houses and let the homeless live there rent free. Half-ass attempts won't do shit but benefit the government and NIMBYs.
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Tom_Joad 10/22/23 12:37:34 PM #9: |
Just use imminent domain and pay a 'fair market value'. Then hire a housing management company to maintain them.
Finally, move the homeless in. --- "History shows again and again that nature points out the folly of man. Go go Godzilla!" Godzilla - Blue Oyster Cult ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 10/22/23 12:37:51 PM #10: |
codey posted...
Unfortunately I don't see just placing more multifamily units on the market as a solution to end homelessness, because those units are still going to be unaffordable to persons experiencing homelessness. The units will instead be filled by people that actually afford to live in SF.More likely there will be straw renters - one landlord renting another's units so they're "occupied" in return for the other landlord doing the same in return. They'll lose money on taxes and such but less than this tax would amount to. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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justaguy3492 10/22/23 12:43:19 PM #11: |
Seems very misleading. This begins to address the financial concerns of some people experiencing homelessness, but does nothing to address mental health causes of homelessness.
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ClayGuida 10/22/23 12:56:32 PM #13: |
justaguy3492 posted...
Seems very misleading. This begins to address the financial concerns of some people experiencing homelessness, but does nothing to address mental health causes of homelessness.Not everyone experiencing homelessness suffers from mental problems. Something is better than nothing. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BB_mofo 10/22/23 12:59:14 PM #14: |
Notti posted...
Landlords would rather people be homeless if it increases their other properties value. A number of these landlords don't exist. If you try to contact them you find that their home address is a PO Box and their phone number leads to voicemail. They are names on paper that the true owners of the building use to shield themselves from inquiries and complaints by renters and the legal system. justaguy3492 posted... Seems very misleading. This begins to address the financial concerns of some people experiencing homelessness, but does nothing to address mental health causes of homelessness. Newsom just passed a controversial new law that forces the homeless who are addicts and mentally ill into rehabilitation facilities with release being contingent on getting a clean bill of health from a licensed physician. --- "But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?" -Mark Twain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoyoteTheGreat 10/22/23 12:59:24 PM #15: |
justaguy3492 posted...
Seems very misleading. This begins to address the financial concerns of some people experiencing homelessness, but does nothing to address mental health causes of homelessness. They are two discrete problems. There are entire families living out of cars in San Fransisco just because they don't make enough money. Like, California's solution is about as good as it gets. They are sending them to hotels and monitoring them. From there, the problem can be determined at least. The root cause of homelessness is different for different people. --- Disobedience is the stamp of the hero. -Ragnar Redbeard Also, this is Kagata.. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 10/22/23 1:02:47 PM #16: |
BB_mofo posted...
A number of these landlords don't exist. If you try to contact them you find that their home address is a PO Box and their phone number leads to voicemail. They are names on paper that the true owners of the building use to shield themselves from inquiries and complaints by renters and the legal system.It's the same with a lot of habitual litigators. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 10/22/23 1:07:04 PM #17: |
BB_mofo posted...
This effectively just means a ton of homeless vulnrable people won't get help --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 10/22/23 1:08:47 PM #18: |
justaguy3492 posted...
Seems very misleading. This begins to address the financial concerns of some people experiencing homelessness, but does nothing to address mental health causes of homelessness. Majority of people experiencing homelessness is due to cost of housing. In California at least. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 10/22/23 1:14:08 PM #19: |
BB_mofo posted...
A number of these landlords don't exist. If you try to contact them you find that their home address is a PO Box and their phone number leads to voicemail. They are names on paper that the true owners of the building use to shield themselves from inquiries and complaints by renters and the legal system.Feel like this is something they could legislate out too then. This is basically what unchecked capitalism gets you. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 10/22/23 1:15:02 PM #20: |
justaguy3492 posted...
Seems very misleading. This begins to address the financial concerns of some people experiencing homelessness, but does nothing to address mental health causes of homelessness. Mental health issues are significantly easier to deal with when you aren't on the street. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeesMcGees 10/22/23 1:20:43 PM #21: |
I wanted to make a joke about what the kids say, but Id probably get modded. The phrase involves Mao. Anyway, odds are these buildings are owned by big corps who have the money to stall and fight versus small time schmucks? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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potdnewb 10/22/23 1:20:53 PM #22: |
i did not read any of the posts above this one
but it makes no sense to buy a house and leave it vacant so why is there a law to prevent something that only those throwing money do --- https://youtu.be/mSgnC5eQ5u0?si=lh_nzFRDz4j4jhc8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 10/22/23 1:22:15 PM #23: |
potdnewb posted...
i did not read any of the posts above this oneThe sense is simple restriction of supply. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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potdnewb 10/22/23 1:27:05 PM #24: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
The sense is simple restriction of supply.they will have to pay mortgage and taxes on the property even if nobody lives in it so it makes no sense to leave it empty --- https://youtu.be/mSgnC5eQ5u0?si=lh_nzFRDz4j4jhc8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xenogears15 10/22/23 1:29:44 PM #25: |
Landlords are in the wrong.
But they'll win any legal challenge because property rights are supreme in common law. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 10/22/23 1:29:50 PM #26: |
potdnewb posted...
they will have to pay mortgage and taxes on the property even if nobody lives in it so it makes no sense to leave it emptyAgain, the sense is to restrict housing supply. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 10/22/23 1:29:52 PM #27: |
potdnewb posted...
they will have to pay mortgage and taxes on the property even if nobody lives in it so it makes no sense to leave it emptyThe problem is the taxes aren't enough. We need to make primary residence tax free and tax all other residences at 500% what we're taxing now. Over time that will naturally trend towards back into home ownership. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeoRavus 10/22/23 1:31:12 PM #28: |
I'm trying to understand this. If the homes are vacant, how are the owners landlords?
The law, which goes into effect in January, could push as many as 7,000 units on the market, according to city estimatesthat would be literally 90% of the city's homeless getting housed So the government's just gonna take people's million $ properties in the Bay area and put homeless in them? Time to become homeless in SF so I can get a free house nicer than mine. --- This is where cool people write stuff. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HylianFox 10/22/23 1:31:15 PM #29: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
The sense is simple restriction of supply.Grapes of wrath --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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potdnewb 10/22/23 1:31:39 PM #30: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
Again, the sense is to restrict housing supply.and pay the mortgage and taxes themselves thats illogical --- https://youtu.be/mSgnC5eQ5u0?si=lh_nzFRDz4j4jhc8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 10/22/23 1:41:10 PM #31: |
You are missing the rent control piece of the article in your arguments
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ClayGuida 10/22/23 1:58:22 PM #32: |
LeoRavus posted...
I'm trying to understand this. If the homes are vacant, how are the owners landlords?Go do that, see how it works out for you. Give us updates. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 10/22/23 2:59:21 PM #33: |
Alteres posted...
You are missing the rent control piece of the article in your argumentsYep. If they lower rent to get the units occupied they can't then raise rent when market conditions improve. If they cut rent in half now to get someone in the unit it would take literally 20 years to get the rent back up to today's market rate - by which time market rate will have doubled again (at least). It turns an asset into a permanently money-losing liability. LeoRavus posted... So the government's just gonna take people's million $ properties in the Bay area and put homeless in them?Doesn't apply to single family houses. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsuprised_Pika 10/22/23 3:03:29 PM #34: |
"Sometimes, developers have a strategy of buying buildings, removing longtime tenants, and then reselling at a profit, Preston said."
It should unironically be a capitol crime to do this --- I post clips of my cool, stupid and glitchy MH Sunbreak and Tears of the Kingdom gameplay here just for fun. https://youtube.com/user/linkachu1000 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rexcrk 10/22/23 3:13:36 PM #35: |
I wonder how the results would look if we could see who voted for what --- Ray has gone bye bye, Egon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 10/22/23 5:42:48 PM #36: |
willythemailboy posted...
It turns an asset into a permanently money-losing liability. Good, house ownership shouldn't be a commodity. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pnut027 10/22/23 5:47:23 PM #37: |
Homelessness in America is mostly a drug and mental health issue than it is an affordability issue. Now the ramifications of drug use and the challenges of mental illness make keeping a job difficult, causing affordability issues, but the distinction must be made.
Making housing affordable will not solve the root causes of homelessness. But it would serve some unfortunate individuals. --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 10/22/23 6:07:02 PM #38: |
"Its a mental health/drug issue" is still disingenous, because homelessness, a poor financial situation and drug/mental health issue are a vicious cycle that feed into each other. It is far far far easier to deal with mental health problems if you aren't living homeless
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Skankhair 10/22/23 6:12:47 PM #39: |
justaguy3492 posted...
Seems very misleading. This begins to address the financial concerns of some people experiencing homelessness, but does nothing to address mental health causes of homelessness. What a terrible and fallacious take. --- GameFAQs was sold to GameSpot and then to FanDumb and the mods still work for free ahahaha ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pnut027 10/22/23 6:36:08 PM #41: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
"Its a mental health/drug issue" is still disingenous, because homelessness, a poor financial situation and drug/mental health issue are a vicious cycle that feed into each other. It is far far far easier to deal with mental health problems if you aren't living homeless pnut027 posted... Homelessness in America is mostly a drug and mental health issue than it is an affordability issue. Now the ramifications of drug use and the challenges of mental illness make keeping a job difficult, causing affordability issues, but the distinction must be made. --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 10/22/23 6:48:37 PM #42: |
pnut027 posted...
Homelessness in America is mostly a drug and mental health issue than it is an affordability issue.This is exactly backwards https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/critical-analysis-of-americas-homeless-crisis/ Counterfactual reasoning can be a useful tool for determining causality. You think A causes B. Remove A. If B still happens, then A was not the cause. (The rooster crows and the sun rises, in David Humes famous example, but no one thinks the rooster causes the sun to rise, which is easily testable by silencing the rooster and noting that the sun still rises.) Employing counterfactual reasoning here, if drug use were a driver of homelessness in aggregate, we would expect states with higher rates of drug abuse to also have higher rates of homelessness. In fact, no such relation exists between the data on drug addiction and those on homelessness: West Virginia, which leads the nation in drug overdose deaths,7 has one of the lowest rates of homelessness in the country.8 Californias overdose death rate is about one-quarter of West Virginias!9 --- Please don't be weird in my topics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 10/23/23 12:51:19 AM #43: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
Good, house ownership shouldn't be a commodity. Also known as Proposition M, it exempts single-family homes, duplexes, short-term rentals, nonprofit and institutional housing, such as nursing homes, as well as any apartment used as a primary residence. You really are incapable of reading, aren't you? The law is about apartment buildings. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ubergeneral3 10/23/23 2:26:27 AM #44: |
landlords are a parasite and should be illegal.
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CountCorvinus 10/23/23 2:28:25 AM #45: |
Don't even have to read the thread.
Landlords. Landlords are always wrong. --- All Corvids Are Beautiful (They/Them) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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badjay 10/23/23 2:43:07 AM #46: |
codey posted...
Unfortunately I don't see just placing more multifamily units on the market as a solution to end homelessness, because those units are still going to be unaffordable to persons experiencing homelessness. The units will instead be filled by people that actually afford to live in SF.It does force prices down. If you can't rent out those units AND you're getting smashed by taxes you WILL be forced to lower the rent or be forced to sell to stay out of debt. Once it sells the next person then has to experience the same crap of getting smashed by taxes until they rent out the unit. If crime rates prevent you from renting a unit then you will HAVE to lower rent until somebody does. If nobody does and you keep paying taxes on an empty unit, guess what? You're forced into selling it to someone. Once someone recognizes a pattern that these units never get rented out because the area sucks. MAYBE just MAYBE the unit will sell at a fair price that people CAN afford. The law is quite roundabout but it's a way of controlling the price and fixing the homeless situation. --- [05:45:34] I bought an American L and it was like a tent ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Notti 10/26/23 5:35:34 AM #47: |
Unsuprised_Pika posted...
"Sometimes, developers have a strategy of buying buildings, removing longtime tenants, and then reselling at a profit, Preston said." Sending landlords to private prisons would be fitting. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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