Current Events > Screw protests/protesters who block freeways and streets with their bs

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Fluttershy posted...

low-thought take. what good is a protest if it doesn't actually obstruct anything?

Unless it's disruptive on a national level with a major percentage of the population participating in it, and/or it incorporates violence in some way, protests are not going to work. Even with the latter there's no guarantee it will achieve its goals.

faizan_faizan posted...

Unless it's disruptive on a national level with a major percentage of the population participating in it, and/or it incorporates violence in some way, protests are not going to work. Even with the latter there's no guarantee it will achieve its goals.

If change happens, and there was one or more protests involved at some point leading up to it, then there's no reason to say that protest "didn't work".

In general, saying protests don't work is unprovable at best, defeatist and subversive at worst.

There's never a guarantee of success, but it is one of our few rights as a population, and should be exercised.

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CyricZ posted...

If change happens, and there was one or more protests involved at some point leading up to it, then there's no reason to say that protest "didn't work".

In general, saying protests don't work is unprovable at best, defeatist and subversive at worst.

There's never a guarantee of success, but it is one of our few rights as a population, and should be exercised.

Can you provide any examples of them?

TheOtherMike posted...

We all already know that protest is most effective when it's disruptive. Literally the entire history of protest bears that out.

By blocking traffic? One of the most effective protests in history was Martin Luther King Jr.'s and I never heard of him blocking traffic and yelling at whoever was in his way...

DementedDurian posted...

By blocking traffic? One of the most effective protests in history was Martin Luther King Jr.'s and I never heard of him blocking traffic and yelling at whoever was in his way...

bruh

DementedDurian posted...

By blocking traffic? One of the most effective protests in history was Martin Luther King Jr.'s and I never heard of him blocking traffic and yelling at whoever was in his way...

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DementedDurian posted...

By blocking traffic? One of the most effective protests in history was Martin Luther King Jr.'s and I never heard of him blocking traffic and yelling at whoever was in his way...

That's because you've been taught a whitewashed version of King.

Lots of people really hate protest and think freedom of speech is bullshit.

It's not really their fault. America conditions you that rights are generally only rights if you personally agree with them.

faizan_faizan posted...

Unless it's disruptive on a national level with a major percentage of the population participating in it, and/or it incorporates violence in some way, protests are not going to work. Even with the latter there's no guarantee it will achieve its goals.

So do you think, for example, that all my fellow pharmacy workers should roll over and take abuse from their bosses, because protests and strikes won't change the world if they don't literally shut down society?

Next time you consider sharing your opinions, do us all a fucking favor and don't. America is a shithole, but might I suggest you move to bigger shithole where they silence protest like you want.

hockeybub89 posted...

So do you think, for example, that all my fellow pharmacy workers should roll over and take abuse from their bosses, because protests and strikes won't change the world if they don't literally shut down society?

Next time you consider sharing your opinions, do us all a fucking favor and don't. America is a shithole, but might I suggest you move to bigger shithole where they silence protest like you want.

I don't think you can completely silence protests either. People will continue to protest for one reason or another, even in nations where they're not allowed to.

I think protesting is ultimately a useless endeavor unless it's on a national or global level and the consequences of not participating in the protest are equally as bad as participating in one or worse.

hockeybub89 posted...

So do you think, for example, that all my fellow pharmacy workers should roll over and take abuse from their bosses, because protests and strikes won't change the world if they don't literally shut down society?

Next time you consider sharing your opinions, do us all a fucking favor and don't. America is a shithole, but might I suggest you move to bigger shithole where they silence protest like you want.

It makes sense if you realize that a lot of the chuds want everyone else to be as gutless as they are. To them, if they have to take it, so does everyone else. They're the proverbial crabs in the bucket.

"Protests dont work" is exactly what people being protested against want you to think.

On the one hand causing disruptions spreads your message and makes the issue more well known, but on the other I wonder how many people stuck in traffic are dialing up their elected representatives to support the protest's cause

DementedDurian posted...

By blocking traffic? One of the most effective protests in history was Martin Luther King Jr.'s and I never heard of him blocking traffic and yelling at whoever was in his way...

Other posters dismantled this rather adeptly, so I'll just say this post aged poorly in a very short amount of time.

ChainsawFerret posted...

It makes sense if you realize that a lot of the chuds want everyone else to be as gutless as they are. To them, if they have to take it, so does everyone else. They're the proverbial crabs in the bucket.

This assumes that individual opinions or views have any influence on the reality of the matter.

faizan_faizan posted...

This assumes that individual opinions or views have any influence on the reality of the matter.

Do you understand the concept of collective bargaining? Like, at all?

faizan_faizan posted...

This assumes that individual opinions or views have any influence on the reality of the matter.

Collective bargaining. Strikes. Malicious Compliance. Protests.

Turns out individual opinions and views DO have a lot to do with it. Now, if you are what your sig says you are, maybe you should stop spewing it.

I've always held that the fastest way to get the public against you is to inconvenience them while they're driving.

ChainsawFerret posted...

Collective bargaining. Strikes. Malicious Compliance. Protests.

Turns out individual opinions and views DO have a lot to do with it. Now, if you are what your sig says you are, maybe you should stop spewing it.

Of course. But there's a big difference between a protest during times of extreme inequality that forces a significant number of the population to participate in the protest because their quality of life is wretched like we've seen multiple times in history and a protest about an issue that not even most people in the same vicinity are aware of or care about.

faizan_faizan posted...

Of course. But there's a big difference between a protest during times of extreme inequality that forces a significant number of the population to participate in the protest because their quality of life is wretched like we've seen multiple times in history and a protest about an issue that not even most people in the same vicinity are aware of or care about.

Do you find that fascinating, like someone dying of drowning?

ooger posted...

Do you find that fascinating, like someone dying of drowning?

Indeed.

i agree with your stance but i cant be bothered by it to interrupt my life is the most ill pretend to care about things that matter while not actually caring about it attitude ever

faizan_faizan posted...

Can you provide any examples of them?

Every single social issue ever.

But let's start with:

Equal rights for women.
Equal rights for black people.
Worker's rights.
LGBTQ+ rights.

Where I live, you need a permit for public assembly. Once you have a permit, authorities will reroute civilian traffic away and around the venue where the public assembly will be held. There are certain places where public assemblies are not allowed. Police will arrest participants of illegal public assemblies or if a legal public assembly becomes a threat to public safety.

CyricZ posted...

Every single social issue ever.

But let's start with:

Equal rights for women.
Equal rights for black people.
Worker's rights.
LGBTQ+ rights.

Most of these are ongoing issues though the individual protests like Suffrage involved lots of disruption and violence.

CyricZ posted...

Every single social issue ever.

But let's start with:

Equal rights for women.
Equal rights for black people.
Worker's rights.
LGBTQ+ rights.

Literally every single right for anyone who wasnt a rich, white, male landowner tbh.

I still haven't quite figured out if faizan is anti-protest or pro-violent uprising.

The literal watershed moment of LGBTQ rights movements was riots and fighting against police.

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Who said the freedom convoy should be illegal?

Is this about the Brooklyn Bridge protest?

If you turn against a cause because a part of that cause decided to block traffic, then you never supported the cause in the first place. Even if you disagree with the specific method, it shouldn't shake your resolve if you actually care.

I don't agree with any protesters who does shit like this regardless on who's side they're supporting.

You're messing with the common people.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I don't agree with any protesters who does shit like this regardless on who's side they're supporting.

You're messing with the common people.

Okay, TrumpyBoyFloyd.

Whats with people gluing themselves to the road?

I dont get why they do that and then melt down when some cops rips them off the street.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I don't agree with any protesters who does shit like this regardless on who's side they're supporting.

You're messing with the common people.

Then you have no principles

ooger posted...

Okay, TrumpyBoyFloyd.

Maybe, now maybe you're damn right.

Now go and eat off your food stamps.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I don't agree with any protesters who does shit like this regardless on who's side they're supporting.

You're messing with the common people.

It's so utterly insane that the upper class has been so easily able to turn the common person against each other to get corpo wealthy simps to join their cause for literally nothing. People who oppose protesting literally get nothing out of it other than have shitty opinions and don't want other people to have better situations.

Fucking crazy, man.

DnDer posted...

As I commented above you to someone else: there's a difference, I think, between obstructing traffic and deliberately obstructing an emergency vehicle.

Theres no difference because by blocking traffic you are obstructing emergency vehicles. They dont have a functional crystal ball to accurately show them when they start that no emergency vehicles will attempt to use the road during that protest

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Maybe, now maybe you're damn right.

Now go and eat off your food stamps.

But hopefully he doesn't disrupt the public protesting poverty because then the common man will start supporting the ultra rich

Rika_Furude posted...

Theres no difference because by blocking traffic you are obstructing emergency vehicles. They dont have a functional crystal ball to accurately show them when they start that no emergency vehicles will attempt to use the road during that protest

So should no one have rights and everyone should suffer and die? Because suddenly protest is incredibly rude and dangerous and ineffective?

There are plenty of countries all you people can move to if you think free speech and rights are not worth temporary public inconveniences.

You would have zero rights and your life would be endless suffering if not for disruptive protest. Nothing is possible without public unrest.

hockeybub89 posted...

So should no one have rights and everyone should suffer and die? Because suddenly protest is incredibly rude and dangerous and ineffective?

There are plenty of countries all you people can move to if you think free speech and rights are not worth temporary public inconveniences.

Thats not what I said. Why is that what youre saying?

Rika_Furude posted...

Thats not what I said. Why is that what youre saying?

So you do support disruptive protests?

You realise you'd have no rights, even as a white male, without them?

hockeybub89 posted...

So should no one have rights and everyone should suffer and die? Because suddenly protest is incredibly rude and dangerous and ineffective?

There are plenty of countries all you people can move to if you think free speech and rights are not worth temporary public inconveniences.

I mean arguably the notion you presented kinda goes against the notion of free speech by basically having one group protesting in such a way that can infringe on the rights of another group by blocking traffic.

It can also be pretty damn dangerous for said emergency vehicles or hell even regular civilians trying to get to a hospital of some sort.

Funkydog posted...

So you do support disruptive protests?

You realise you'd have no rights, even as a white male, without them?

Do you support protests where innocent victims are killed? Because thats what blocking emergency vehicles does.