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Chicken
10/30/23 11:02:47 AM
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The ones that support small local businesses and want less government overreach I mean. The current one is just a cult of personalities that only care about corporations and controlling everyone, literally the exact opposite that they stand for.

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Torgo
10/30/23 11:04:38 AM
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Because this was the base of the party all along, and those who weren't already racist, xenophobic, religious nationalist nuts were groomed by the likes of Limbaugh, Fox News, and social media over the last few decades to become or at least accept them.

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Torgo
10/30/23 11:07:12 AM
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That's the "populist" conservatism. Those populists will accept economic and foreign policy that makes them poorer and the world less safe as long as we make it so women lose bodily autonomy, police can openly harass people of color, and it's okay to fire a person for being gay.

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brestugo
10/30/23 11:08:46 AM
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Torgo posted...
Because this was the base of the party all along,

This.

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ai123
10/30/23 11:09:43 AM
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They have been convinced that the alternative is a radical socialist state committed to race-swapping every character, turning kids trans, and treating women as human beings.

This didn't happen overnight.

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SaikyoStyle
10/30/23 11:10:07 AM
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Because conservatives have no morals or values. All they care about is power.

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GrandConjuraton
10/30/23 11:10:42 AM
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Torgo posted...
Because this was the base of the party all along, and those who weren't already racist, xenophobic, religious nationalist nuts were groomed by the likes of Limbaugh, Fox News, and social media over the last few decades to become or at least accept them.


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Smackems
10/30/23 11:11:39 AM
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Probably because many of the "classic" conservatives were radicalized

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CommonStar
10/30/23 11:12:26 AM
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Because they are all reactionary. They have no goals other than be reactionary.
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AbsolutelyNoOne
10/30/23 11:33:38 AM
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The truth is that this was always what "true conservatives" wanted

It has over time simply become more acceptable to say out loud. The GOP never lost its way, they simply finally reached their destination. Remember that this all started when Republicans thought they could win elections by recruiting racists (who were increasingly less welcomed by the Democrats) to their side in the 60's.

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Sufferedphoneix
10/30/23 11:34:12 AM
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Torgo posted...
Because this was the base of the party all along, and those who weren't already racist, xenophobic, religious nationalist nuts were groomed by the likes of Limbaugh, Fox News, and social media over the last few decades to become or at least accept them.

I've known plenty who wherent racist bigoted etc. They just suffer from a it doesn't effect them complex they vote based on things they feel will affect them. Guess I should call it head in the sand complex.

Long story short people will vote for what they feel will help them best and do mental gymnastics to excuse the shit they otherwise wouldn't agree with

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UnsteadyOwl
10/30/23 11:39:10 AM
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Some are single-issue voters and don't really care who is in charge of the GOP as long as it's someone who will cut taxes or ban abortion or whatever.

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VeggetaX
10/30/23 11:40:07 AM
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I'll be outraged at whatever fits my narrative

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Irony
10/30/23 11:41:17 AM
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Conservatives were always radical

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legendary_zell
10/30/23 11:41:53 AM
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Reactionaries have always been reactionaries. The "true conservatives" that you're talking about are called Democrats. They've merged into that party and largely control it from the top. The others are just weaponized grievance with some fancy window dressing.

Some openly hate minorities. The others say they don't hate minorities, just poor people. But ask who those poor people are in their minds, and it's minorities. And then there's the ones who just hate poor/love rich people exclusively. Those are the least bad ones in some sense, and yet they're much more likely to make common cause with the other two than even a moderate conservative (Democrat).

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Sufferedphoneix
10/30/23 11:45:41 AM
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
Some are single-issue voters and don't really care who is in charge of the GOP as long as it's someone who will cut taxes or ban abortion or whatever.
. There's some of that too. I can understand going against a thing or two you wouldn't normally agree with if the other side goes against more things you are for. But going off one issue is absurd

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Rexdragon125
10/30/23 11:46:56 AM
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For 160 years straight the right's been seething about losing their slaves and have been dreaming about taking down the Union
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Heineken14
10/30/23 11:47:02 AM
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Torgo posted...
Because this was the base of the party all along, and those who weren't already racist, xenophobic, religious nationalist nuts were groomed by the likes of Limbaugh, Fox News, and social media over the last few decades to become or at least accept them.


Yeah. The party wasn't hijacked, this is what it was ultimately working toward.

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Enclave
10/30/23 11:49:23 AM
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Chicken posted...
The ones that support small local businesses and want less government overreach I mean.

Don't confuse conservative rhetoric for actual conservative beliefs.

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Southernfatman
10/30/23 11:53:14 AM
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They were always that way. Now those who used to hide their bigotry know they don't have to hide it anymore. Being a horrible human being that wants to take away people's rights acceptable again.

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Southernfatman
10/30/23 12:03:27 PM
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Maybe more relatively subdued than hiding it. Not nearly as many were this openly froth at the mouth insanely bigoted in the past. They were more subtle with it. Where one may not have screamed the n word out in public 15-20 years ago, they are dropping hard R's now.

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ghettoraider81
10/30/23 12:12:44 PM
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They are upset about it. There are just more of the other type and they are much louder.

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Southernfatman
10/30/23 12:13:57 PM
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Yeah, there were always those types and being older means I'm more aware of it, but I still think there's more of them now and open bigotry is more accepted by the right. For example, if some of the things said now by politicians were said in the past by politicians, they would have had to resign. Same for the talking heads on various news stations. Even back in the day the right at least pretended the Nazis were bad.

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UnfairRepresent
10/30/23 12:17:08 PM
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Always has been meme

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Villain_S_Fiend
10/30/23 12:30:11 PM
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All the classic lines about how conservative values are "small government" and "individual freedoms" have always been bullshit. People from every major political affiliation want those things; it's nothing unique to conservatives. Why those things are said so loudly by conservatives is what they really mean by them. It's the same shit as "the civil war was about states' rights!"

"Small government" = don't tell white Christians what they can and can't do

"Individual freedoms" = don't tell white Christians they can't discriminate against the out-group

When you press conservatives on what they mean when they say those things, they'll rattle off more nebulous nonsense until you back them into a corner and they'll either have nothing, or they'll get combative. They're either ignorant parrots or disingenuous bastards.

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whitelytning
10/30/23 12:37:27 PM
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Some are. I consider myself a conservative that is not a Republican. Registered as an NPA. The growth of independents in the last decade suggest there are other people like me too.

I never voted for Trump or MAGA affiliated candidates. Voted Obama, Gary Johnston (iirc), and then Biden. I believe in small government, fiscal conservatism, and strong foreign policy.

I dont understand how people like MTG or the current speaker even get elected, never mind put in positions of power. Trump tapped into an energy in some of the base that just ignores basic democratic ideals and cares about the nation after other things. Its backwards and dangerous.

The GOP is in trouble and Im hoping it destroys itself and something better, or a third party, comes from it. The two party system is a disaster.

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whitelytning
10/30/23 12:47:38 PM
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Mainly fiscal policy. Its become my main issue a really. The budget is a mess and continuing to spend isnt a solution. We have real problems that need active budget management and a 4 year political cycle isnt set up to allow a real fix. Cutting hard, across the board is the only viable solution but you cant do that if you want to remain in power.


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ellis123
10/30/23 12:50:13 PM
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Because "true conservatives" are monarchists and thus had no overlap with Republicans in the first place.

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reincarnator07
10/30/23 1:06:27 PM
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whitelytning posted...
Mainly fiscal policy. Its become my main issue a really. The budget is a mess and continuing to spend isnt a solution. We have real problems that need active budget management and a 4 year political cycle isnt set up to allow a real fix. Cutting hard, across the board is the only viable solution but you cant do that if you want to remain in power.
What would you cut?

It's not the only solution though. Ignoring that operating a deficit isn't automatically a disaster when you control your currency, you can also bring in more tax revenue, such as by raising taxes. Just as a recent example, Massachusetts recently implemented a 4% tax on incomes over $1 million, which was able to grant free school meals to every child in the state,among other benefits.

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Tyranthraxus
10/30/23 1:09:43 PM
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Because when you court racists and fundies for over 60 years those racists and fundies grow up to become politicians and now your party is nothing but racists and fundies.

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TheGoldenEel
10/30/23 1:10:36 PM
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AbsolutelyNoOne posted...
The truth is that this was always what "true conservatives" wanted

It has over time simply become more acceptable to say out loud. The GOP never lost its way, they simply finally reached their destination. Remember that this all started when Republicans thought they could win elections by recruiting racists (who were increasingly less welcomed by the Democrats) to their side in the 60's.
Yep.

in fact the racism is baked right there in the name conservative. What are they trying to conserve? Furthermore what does small governement actually mean? Who does removing regulation benefit, and who does removing social support systems hurt?

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/30/23 1:11:51 PM
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Because the only difference between the radicals and the "true" cons is that the radicals are mask off

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Jiek_Fafn
10/30/23 1:16:20 PM
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Because guys like Biden represent my conservative beliefs better than any Republican. So it's not like we don't have any options. If I'm for the government minding it's own business as much as possible, the democrats work well enough.

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Torgo
10/30/23 1:16:24 PM
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whitelytning posted...
Mainly fiscal policy. Its become my main issue a really. The budget is a mess and continuing to spend isnt a solution. We have real problems that need active budget management and a 4 year political cycle isnt set up to allow a real fix. Cutting hard, across the board is the only viable solution but you cant do that if you want to remain in power.

Austerity doesn't work. Or at least it doesn't work for anyone but the wealthy who weather the storm and then buy up the distressed assets of the ever shrinking middle class.

You can spend your way out of problems if you invest in the right areas and make sure the spending stimulates and assists the general public rather than subsidizing the wealthy donor class.

Even something like military spending - I'm not against military spending, I'd just rather the money be spent on public development of new technologies and health care for veterans instead of funneling it to private contractors

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myusernameislame
10/30/23 1:22:58 PM
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Because thanks to effective propaganda, no matter how low conservatives' opinion of the GOP gets, their opinion of the Democrats will always be massively lower. The alleged "sane" conservatives don't support Republicans, they're just utterly terrified of Democrats.
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Kolibri_X
10/30/23 1:37:03 PM
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What radicals? Nothing about the GOP is radical.

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Enclave
10/30/23 1:55:32 PM
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They are about big government, big businesses and authoritarianism. Where have you been?

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TheOtherMike
10/30/23 1:56:12 PM
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Conservatives are inherently radicals.

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