Current Events > Pro-Palestine protestors to Biden: "No cease-fire, no votes."

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darkace77450 posted...

Democrats aren't saying it, Republicans are. They're telling you straight up that they will do everything in their power to eradicate transgender Americans, that they will force women to die of preventable pregnancy complications, that corporations will be allowed to poison both people and the planet, and that even the most violent, deranged individual has the right to own a high caliber semi-automatic rifle designed for military use.

Topic over. Any gripes one might have with the Democrats pale in comparison.

Republicans are telling you they want a white ethnostate. Why is there any debate over voting against neo-Nazi policies? The parallels in their stance on abortion alone should make it obvious.

Shadow_Don posted...

I was on 261 for a long time and thats fucking bullshit. Just straight up lying. Anyone from 261 will probably back this up.

You must've had amazing selective vision to have missed all the terms like "Bernie Bros" being thrown around as an insult. They were constantly blaming Bernie and his supporters for Trump winning.

Shadow_Don posted...

Bro. Nobody disagrees that there is a 2 party system that has a stronghold.

It's about which of those 2 parties isn't the fascist lunatic party.

I'm sorry, but you aren't smarter than everyone else on this board just because you read the spark notes of Manufacturing Consent.

One party is a fascist lunatic party. The other party claims that America needs this party:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854

And Hillary's team did whatever they could to promote the current figurehead of the fascist lunatic party:
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

What do you think that says about democrats?

mistymermaid posted...

Topic over. Any gripes one might have with the Democrats pale in comparison.

Republicans are telling you they want a white ethnostate. Why is there any debate over voting against neo-Nazi policies? The parallels in their stance on abortion alone should make it obvious.

This topic is literally about Biden pledging maximum support to an ethnostate committing genocide.

1337toothbrush posted...

You must've had amazing selective vision to have missed all the terms like "Bernie Bros" being thrown around as an insult. They were constantly blaming Bernie and his supporters for Trump winning.

me: "261 was progressive"

Inohira: "no, they treated Bernie supporters worse than trump supporters"

me: "bullshit"

you: "bernie supporters were discriminated against on 261 and were blamed for trump"

Stop playing the telephone game and grow the fuck up dude. 261 had a ton of Bernie supporters and a ton of progressives.

One party is a fascist lunatic party. The other party claims that America needs this party:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/joe-biden-america-needs-the-republican-party.html
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-says-us-needs-strong-republican-party-1779854

And Hillary's team did whatever they could to promote the current figurehead of the fascist lunatic party:
https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

What do you think that says about democrats?

The democrats tried to use underhanded tactics to promote an opponent that they thought they would have a better chance of winning against. They literally tried to ratfuck the republicans but made the wrong calculation.

They tried to do an underhanded tactic and lost. This was really devastating for both the democrats and the progressives but I'm not sure why you are complaining about this tactic? Do you want dems to be underhanded or not?

By the way, the tactic of elevating Trump candidates in 2022 paid off magnificently for dems.

This topic is literally about Biden pledging billions of additional dollars to an ethnostate committing genocide.

its also about the 2024 vote, its in the topic title.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

It would seem that there are only two ways to save America from the Republicans and the Establishment Democrats. People are too dumb/apathetic/indoctrinated/impatient to do it the non violent way, so that only leaves the other option. Of course, they won't use that option until well after fascism wins.

You sound just like the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol on Jan 6.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Savoots post

Well, if that helps you ignore the truth, then go for it.

darkace77450 posted...

I suspect the kind of person who says they're not voting against a fascist theocracy because liberals were mean to them is the kind of person who wasn't going to vote anyway.

Or they're actually conservatives trying to cause dissent. That happens too.

I didn't vote in the general in 2016 because I thought my state was safe. It wasn't.

I'm generally against voter shaming, but I really don't understand how anyone could see what four years under Trump was like, want to risk that happening again and still pretend to be on the left.

hockeybub89 posted...

Since when has the majority of voters known what is good for them?

Ah ok you get to tell me Sanders is good for me but I can't tell you Biden good for you. It all makes sense now.

Shadow_Don posted...

The 2024 election is literally about democracy and this is a topic about the 2024 election in the context of the Gaza conflict.

I don't support a blank check to Israel to do genocide.

Just give me the plan post 2024 in a scenario where Trump wins and I'm happy to change my mind.

Can you provide a plan post 2024 where Biden wins while pro-Palestinian voters just shut up? One that isn't "things continue as they are" ideally.

Shadow_Don posted...

Or maybe because progressives don't vote??? Because assholes tell them not to vote?

Why do right wingers go out to vote everytime? Why don't they stay home? Because they deliver on the (horrendous) shit their base wants.

Biden could get Palestine one-issue voters voting for him overnight.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Why do right wingers go out to vote everytime? Why don't they stay home? Because they deliver on the (horrendous) shit their base wants.

'Tis true. I heard Trump releases his health care plan next week.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Why do right wingers go out to vote everytime? Why don't they stay home? Because they deliver on the (horrendous) shit their base wants.

Biden could get Palestine one-issue voters voting for him overnight.

Luckily the rest of the world has professionals to answer this question accurately.

The #1 biggest reason non voters don't vote is because they feel their vote doesn't matter.

The #2 biggest reason is they feel "both sides are the same"

"My preferred candidate isn't promising what I want them to promise" is so fucking far down the list it doesn't register.

darkace77450 posted...

Reality directly contradicts this claim. By progressive standards, things did get better under Obama. The shift may not have been as fast or far as you'd like, but it's demonstrably false to claim that the country was trending in the wrong direction under his presidency. Or under Biden's, for that matter.

The country absolutely trended in the wrong direction. Drone strikes and poor handling of immigration skyrocketed. Civil rights continued to stall with no input from Obama until his hand was pretty much forced. Maybe you think he gets a pass for being snadwiched by the two worst presidents in recent history, but I don't.

Even Obama, supposed to be the shining beacon only took tiny steps forward while remaining in the neoliberal framework, while also taking several steps back.

Shadow_Don posted...

But I'm not telling you to vote while ignoring your concerns.

This entire topic has been democrats insisting that people who care about Palestine vote for people who will ignore their concers.

And the majority of people wanted Hillary and wanted Biden over the progressives.

Who then proceeded to not do what the majority wanted.

So Jim Crow era was a thriving democracy?

Obviously not given given significant amounts of the population were completely disenfranchised.

Shadow_Don posted...

What I'm saying here is that you guys are also engaging in vote shaming tactics.

Or more specifically, I think dismissing arguments as "vote shaming" is fucking stupid. I'm just trying to talk about why we should vote for Biden in 2024 and why its important to vote in general.

How else would you describe "vote for people you don't like, or else it'll be your vote that people you don't like even less get elected. Also, you're too small of a block for us to actually give a shit about earning your vote" other than shaming tactics?
darkace77450 posted...

Biden's done nothing to appeal to progressives? The billions in student loan forgiveness, the billions in federal funding for green energy initiatives, the constant drumbeat for gun regulations...none of that means anything to you?

It means nothing to me because its all a bandaid. It obviously means nothing to single-issue Palestine voters which this topic is about.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Luckily the rest of the world has professionals to answer this question accurately.

The #1 biggest reason non voters don't vote is because they feel their vote doesn't matter.

The #2 biggest reason is they feel "both sides are the same"

"My preferred candidate isn't promising what I want them to promise" is so fucking far down the list it doesn't register.

Feel like both of those reasons aren't mutually exclusive from that last one.

CountCorvinus posted...

'Tis true. I heard Trump releases his health care plan next week.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

We both know republicans don't run on "campaign promises". Republicans wanted a raging, racist asshat who would continue to push the envelope for reactionaries. Trump said he'd do that, got elected and then did it.
Tyranthraxus posted...

Luckily the rest of the world has professionals to answer this question accurately.

The #1 biggest reason non voters don't vote is because they feel their vote doesn't matter.

The #2 biggest reason is they feel "both sides are the same"

"My preferred candidate isn't promising what I want them to promise" is so fucking far down the list it doesn't register.

Thanks for proving my point I guess.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

Why do right wingers go out to vote everytime? Why don't they stay home? Because they deliver on the (horrendous) shit their base wants.

Their plan to deliver what the base wants was executing on a 40+ year plan to install judges into the supreme court in order to overturn Roe.

That's how dedicated they were to deprive us of our rights.

Shadow_Don posted...

Their plan to deliver what the base wants was executing on a 40+ year plan to install judges into the supreme court in order to overturn Roe.

That's how dedicated they were to deprive us of our rights.

But just think, this time will be different. By staying home and being complicit with the fascists taking control, the democrats will know we are super serious progressives.

They'll have to listen to us!

I'm smart.

Also, Did I ever tell what you the definition of insanity is?

Shadow_Don posted...

Their plan to deliver what the base wants was executing on a 40+ year plan to install judges into the supreme court in order to overturn Roe.

That's how dedicated they were to deprive us of our rights.

If they had a moderate president instead of Trump they might have installed moderate justices who wouldn't overturn Roe. I don't think Hillary/Biden are putting socialists in the court.

Shadow_Don posted...

I didn't say it doesn't matter though. I said multiple times, directly in response to you, that I would pin this on Biden if he loses and I also pinned the blame on Hillary for losing in 2016. It is also true that it's not a good idea to let Trump win.

Whats the fucking contradiction?

That's just lip service. You've argued that his opposition to a ceasefire shouldn't matter in their decision, that they should vote for him regardless, and that anyone he alienates is a "fucking moron" or "fucking pathetic coward" contributing to Trump's victory and the downfall of democracy.

But you don't show the same vitriol for Biden. You acknowledge that he failed or is "doing a bad job", but you haven't come close to calling him a "fucking moron" or "fucking pathetic coward" for opposing a ceasefire in the first place. A majority of voters, including Republicans, want him to call for one, so you don't have the excuse that he'd lose votes by doing so. He's willing to oppose one even if it means losing to Trump.

That's why I think it doesn't make sense to blame these voters for letting Trump win. Biden is doing that by opposing a ceasefire and you're not fooling anyone when you say that you pin the blame on Biden.

Inohira posted...

If thet had a moderate president instead of Trump they might have installed moderate justices who wouldn't overturn Roe. I don't think Hillary/Biden are putting socialists in the court.

Yea. Cool

And Roe wouldnt have been overturned. What's your point?

Inohira posted...

If thet had a moderate president instead of Trump they might have installed moderate justices who wouldn't overturn Roe. I don't think Hillary/Biden are putting socialists in the court.

There are no moderate republicans

Strand posted...

But you don't show the same vitriol for Biden. You acknowledge that he failed or is "doing a bad job", but you haven't come close to calling him a "fucking moron" or "fucking pathetic coward" for opposing a ceasefire in the first place. A majority of voters, including Republicans, want him to call for one, so you don't have the excuse that he'd lose votes by doing so. He's willing to oppose one even if it means losing to Trump.

I mean I will. Biden is a fucking moron and a fucking coward. You should still vote for him though unless he doesn't run for whatever reason.

Strand posted...

That's just lip service. You've argued that his opposition to a ceasefire shouldn't matter in their decision, that they should vote for him regardless, and that anyone he alienates is a "fucking moron" or "fucking pathetic coward" contributing to Trump's victory and the downfall of democracy.

But you don't show the same vitriol for Biden. You acknowledge that he failed or is "doing a bad job", but you haven't come close to calling him a "fucking moron"

I think Biden is a fucking moron for his actions regarding this conflict and he might cost the election.

I also think anyone not voting for him in 2024 is also a fucking moron and a pathetic loser and a terminally online loser coward.

We cool now?

Inohira posted...

If thet had a moderate president instead of Trump they might have installed moderate justices who wouldn't overturn Roe. I don't think Hillary/Biden are putting socialists in the court.

INSANE.

If you think Hillary and Biden would have put Supreme Court Justices into power that would have overturned Roe then you are mentally gone and you should not talk about politics ever again.

Strand posted...

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I also share the same sentiments of Tyra and Don.

Shadow_Don posted...

Yea. Cool

And Roe wouldnt have been overturned. What's your point?

The point is that bringing up Republicans playing the long game with the court doesn't contradict the point that Republicans only deserve their base's vote because they keep pushing the radical reform that the base wants. If the GOP refused to nominate candidates like Trump then the base wouldn't get what it wanted even if their alternative non-radical Republican presidents got to nominate new justices to the court.

Basically I don't think a Hillary justice pushes the reforms I want, so I have no reason to be as invesred in that as a Trumper is about a Trumper justice.

There. Are. No. Non-Radical. Republicans.

Inohira posted...

Basically I don't think a Hillary justice pushes the reforms I want, so I have no reason to be as invested in that as a Trumper is about a Trumper justice.

And the reality of that decision is living under the sytem in which the Trumper justice takes away the rights of a lot of people.

A reality that doesn't really impact white male liberals, but has fucking devastating consequences for everyone else.

CountCorvinus posted...

There are no moderate republicans

This. We've seen how republicans censure and ostracize people who dare to waver from the party line. (the Liz Cheneys or Mike Pences get politically sidelined)

Is there a specific way most people are defining ceasefire?

mistymermaid posted...

This. We've seen how republicans censure and ostracize people who dare to waver from the party line. (the Liz Cheneys or Mike Pences get politically sidelined)

Don't get me started on Cheney. She's extremely right-wing, but because she sided against Trump, people now think she's an ally. A centrist democrat that I know even suggested to me that she be Biden's 2024 running mate.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Liz_Cheney.htm

Humanity was a mistake.

Inohira posted...

Basically I don't think a Hillary justice pushes the reforms I want, so I have no reason to be as invested in that as a Trumper is about a Trumper justice.

Women are literally suffering and dying and being arrested in this country right now because of the RvW overturn and you're considering that acceptable because Sanders couldn't get enough votes.

CountCorvinus posted...

There. Are. No. Non-Radical. Republicans.

This statement is a little hyperbolic, of course there are. Id be curious how youre defining radicalism?

CountCorvinus posted...

Don't get me started on Cheney. She's extremely right-wing, but because she sided against Trump, people now think she's an ally. A centrist democrat that I know even suggested to me that she be Biden's 2024 running mate.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Liz_Cheney.htm

Humanity was a mistake.

Everything I hear nudges me further left.

I've said my share of ignorant takes, spurred by second-hand exposure to republicans, it's an awful feeling to discover I had been unknowingly manipulated.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Women are literally suffering and dying and being arrested in this country right now because of the RvW overturn and you're considering that acceptable because Sanders couldn't get enough votes.

Again it's not about just the result, but the procedure. The recent nominees have been mediocre party picks who lost their prior primaries before the party started kissing their asses. It's perplexing to me why party leaders rally around trash.

I was with Obama because he won on his own, rather than being propped up by the establishment beforehand. He never needed a superdelegate lead or a group endorsement or any other bail out, he won because he was just the more effective candidate, despite not being the DNC's favorite. I want more nominees like that.

yeaisaidit posted...

This statement is a little hyperbolic, of course there are. Id be curious how youre defining radicalism?

No, it's not. They're all hard-right extremists. Some are just a little better at optics.

Edit: If you'd like to try to prove me wrong, feel free to post names. I'm heading to bed soon, but when I come back I'll address them.

yeaisaidit posted...

This statement is a little hyperbolic, of course there are. Id be curious how youre defining radicalism?

The Republican's hardline acceptance and push to fascism and reactionaries is pretty by the books radicalism.

"Moderate right wingers" don't exist in the Republican party, they're all Democrats.

Gladius_ posted...

Anyone making excuses for people not voting is either disingenuous or doesn't understand either strategy, politics, or both. Trying to fight a war on two fronts is a pointless venture that will only end with you losing the war. So what's the proposal?

You seem to not get the notion of single-issue voters. They're only fighting on the front of the subject they're most invested in.

Some people feel about their personal causes the same way you feel about protecting/restoring rights.

Gladius_ posted...

Inohira has literally stated he doesn't care about any of that because it doesn't effect him.

Well that's how the moderate voters who Dems constantly court conduct themselves. There needs to be pushback. There needs to anti-corporate anti-imperialist warriors who don't give a fuck about anything else, and can't be distracted by wedge issues.

This rally is amazing progress.

Gladius_ posted...

If the Republicans lose repeatedly they will change their policies. They will concede on their extremism. They will toss their more extreme base in the gutter for moderates. Why? Because they like money. They like power and people in power don't like losing. When this occurs we have a weaker and more compromising republican party. When this occurs we can afford to go after "our own" party hard to make necessary changes.

There are problems with this theory.

- Republicans have simply shifted right after their modern losses. After the bipartisan statesman McCain lost they went with the elitist businessman Romney, and after Romney lost they went with the brazenly corrupt billionaire Trump. This also applies to the House, after Bush conservatives lost to Obama's wave in 2008 they came back with the Tea Party in 2010, and after they lost to the Trump backlash in 2018 they came back with MAGA in 2022.

- Republican party leaders have no power over the conservative base (and debatably they shouldn't). Their endorsements and media propaganda will not be heeded. It doesn't matter if they want to be more moderate, the voters do not and will keep pushing right with their choice of nominees.

- Republican party leaders seem to think the solution to extremism fears is to just switch to new guys without the baggage, anyway. Same beliefs, clean rap sheet. If Trump doesn't work, go DeSantis. If Jim Jordan doesn't work, go Mike Johnson. And the sad thing is this doesn't seem ineffective.

- With increasing political polarization there isn't necessarily a market for moderate conservatives. Nobody making an attempt is getting past single digit polling in the current Republican primary. Nobody much seems to care for the whole "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" thing now with how obscure the libertarian party's become, and how even it's being consumed by radical minarchists now. It's possible that no matter how low the appeal of of MAGA Republicans get, they'll exceed the appeal of moderate Republicans.

- Pendulum effect dictates that Republicans won't just lose every election forever until they change. Eventually swing voters will seek a shift in power, by default.

- If the incentive is money then the shift likely won't include a budge from wealthy donors and fiscal conservativism, which doesn't necessarily enthuse fiscal progressives. No fiscal progressive is keen on putting their financial priorities aside just so Republicans go socially left.

Gladius_ posted...

You want to hold our party responsible? You want them to answer for their corruption? Then defeat the republican threat so we can or we'll remain too distracted as they set us upon each other preventing any possibility for change.

Someone who wins all the time is someone who has no reason to change, actually.

Gladius_ posted...

Democrats lose. Republicans win. Rights are taken away. People panic and are willing to vote in anyone who can potentially slow down the republicans. If a democrat president wins. The "non-voter defenders" will once again stamp their feet and demand for people not to vote to "make the democtat politicans work for it" and then the right will win and the cycle repeats.

There's a second part to the story. After Bush wrought havoc for 8 years and left behind a recession, did the people desperately settle for any old moderate to fix things? They tried it in 2004 with Kerry, but failed. Did they try it again in 2008? Hell no. In 2008 they finally realized the need for "hope and change" and elected the young candidate with fresh ideas over the establishment goblins.

There just needs to be a big enough reckoning that the peiple realize their old strategy was a failure. Then they will improve.

Edit: Do note that I fully respect your and many others' genuine fight against fascism. I'm just saying it's not the only fight in my view.

Savoots posted...

Well, if that helps you ignore the truth, then go for it.

At least youve dropped your lame gimmick of pretending to be a leftist.

I've yet to hear anyone explain how voting for democrats will change anything when the democrats themselves say that "America needs a strong republican party". Why does the country need a strong fascist party? The only reason I can see is so that democrats have another party to point to and say "vote against that" because they have no other reason to vote for democrats. Which, again, if you have one party promising to turn things to shit and another party promising to keep things the same, you're just pacing out turning to shit. That makes it so that the parties aren't technically the exact same, but the eventual outcome is obvious, unless you think it's possible for republicans to never get elected ever again (which isn't likely, especially when democrats claim that we need a strong republican party and will help them stay viable).

That defeatist attitude can get the fuck out of here. Abandoning the push back against republicans because you're fatigued by how drawn out the conflict has been, is a display of weakness beneficial to fascists.

mistymermaid posted...

That defeatist attitude can get the fuck out of here. Abandoning the push back against republicans because you're fatigued by how drawn out the conflict has been, is a display of weakness beneficial to fascists.

It's not an attitude problem, it's a problem inherent in the system. Democrats are not pushing back against republicans, which is why guaranteeing your vote to them won't actually change anything. If you want to actually solve the problem, you have to change the system itself. You cannot change the system from within because it was designed so that it couldn't be.

1337toothbrush posted...

It's not an attitude problem, it's a problem inherent in the system. Democrats are not pushing back against republicans, which is why guaranteeing your vote to them won't actually change anything. If you want to actually solve the problem, you have to change the system itself. You cannot change the system from within because it was designed so that it couldn't be.

This is horseshit. Not pushing back against this one issue isn't the same thing as not pushing back. Billions and Billions of student debt has been forgiven. Insulin prices were capped on Medicare. Taxes got raised on the richest companies in America. Migration is being handled better. Aid is getting sent to Ukraine. Yes he could do more but he's doing a lot and saying that things won't be different from the republicans is just straight up bold-faced lies.

1337toothbrush posted...

It's not an attitude problem, it's a problem inherent in the system. Democrats are not pushing back against republicans, which is why guaranteeing your vote to them won't actually change anything. If you want to actually solve the problem, you have to change the system itself. You cannot change the system from within because it was designed so that it couldn't be.

Much of that is because the mainstream media is perpetuating the charade. News outlets are so bent on "unbiased" reporting, they omit the (inconvenient, in that they don't want to lose viewers) truth of what Republicans have become.

Tyranthraxus posted...

This is horseshit. Not pushing back against this one issue isn't the same thing as not pushing back. Billions and Billions of student debt has been forgiven. Insulin prices were capped on Medicare. Taxes got raised on the richest companies in America. Migration is being handled better. Aid is getting sent to Ukraine. Yes he could do more but he's doing a lot and saying that things won't be different from the republicans is just straight up bold-faced lies.

Fuck that! Burn it all to the ground and start over! It works 60% of the time every time!

Tyranthraxus posted...

This is horseshit. Not pushing back against this one issue isn't the same thing as not pushing back. Billions and Billions of student debt has been forgiven. Insulin prices were capped on Medicare. Taxes got raised on the richest companies in America. Migration is being handled better. Aid is getting sent to Ukraine. Yes he could do more but he's doing a lot and saying that things won't be different from the republicans is just straight up bold-faced lies.

No, what you posted is horseshit democrat PR. That student loan forgiveness was on loans that were already meant to be forgiven but was held up on people who had gone through a years long process. He also forgave scam school loans. The student loan problem is over a trillion dollars large, these billions are fucking peanuts. Insulin prices were capped but still way too fucking high, just look at Canada. A real solution is possible but you love to settle for crumbs.

Taxes got raised in certain instances, but not getting to the root of the problem of the rich hoarding wealth, and the rich can work around it. Again, crumbs, and it's not going to build up to a real solution because it's not meant to. Biden maintained some of Trump's policies and reverse others, but offers no real solution. Again, taking one step forward when republicans take five steps back is still going in the wrong direction.

Getting aid to Ukraine is actually a bipartisan measure. Republicans will pretend they're against it and make a lot of noise, but just look at the votes. They make noise so that they can get more of their shit through "as a compromise" to passing Ukraine aid. Again, republicans know how to play the game while democrats get played, or rather, you get played because democrats are fine with this since it serves their donors.

mistymermaid posted...

Much of that is because the mainstream media is perpetuating the charade. News outlets are so bent on "unbiased" reporting, they omit the (inconvenient, in that they don't want to lose viewers) truth of what Republicans have become.

Which media outlet forced top democrats like Biden and Pelosi to say that America needs a strong republican party? Surely they would know what republicans are like. Why does America need a strong fascist party?

1337toothbrush posted...

Which media outlet forced top democrats like Biden and Pelosi to say that America needs a strong republican party? Surely they would know what republicans are like. Why does America need a strong fascist party?

I can't speak for anyone's motives, but democrats who are saying that in spite of the mounting evidence of the republican platform, are unfit to serve.

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I'm tired of people with this condescending view in this topic. It relies on completely ignoring the actual topic at hand. This isn't a debate about tax policy or the minimum wage or even a civil rights struggle. This is about a currently ongoing ethnic cleansing and genocide. That's not a matter of patience or ongoing strategy or slowly convincing the public over decades. It's an immediate life or death issue. The public has already been convinced in favor of a ceasefire. The public already understands that genocide and ethnic cleansing are bad and don't want to fund it. The roadblock here is the politicians themselves, not the amount of votes.

It seems like you're the ones who don't understand this dynamic, you're simply running the standard "people to the left of me don't have patience and don't understand politics" script when that's not even relevant here! How does your strategy save a single child in Gaza? Actually withholding votes would be catastrophic and I don't endorse it. But threatening to do so is just politics and at least has a chance to produce urgent change on an urgent change issue.