Board 8 > Dead by Daylight Mafia topic 8: Child's Play

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Corrik if youre somehow town which Im still struggling to fully open myself up to that possibility, BCT is 100% scum. I find it highly unlikely we have 3 roleblockers. It is possible BCT claimed redirected on his own rb so that if anyone saw BCT visiting me to rb me, he could just go argh damn mechanics make me go brrrr brrrrrr and visit wallz, dont lose sleep my fellow townies. BCT popped in first thing as start of day to claim he was redirected and with about 12 hours to deadline, I dont think has come back. That didnt raise my eyebrow yesterday since I was busy and barely around too, but its worth noting.

One thing giving me pause about Corrik is Corrik claimed to have roleblocking capabilities on the opposite night of me, and BCT seemingly has rb power on the same night as me. It makes a lot more sense from a meta perspective to have a single rb on every single night, and not two on one, zero on the other.

Theres almost definitely four scum left. Scum is not going to leave me, the town doctor/a rb, alive without repeatedly rb me. In an ideal world wed lynch the scum roleblocker and then make scum nk me to prevent any saves and take a big mislynch option off the board.

^ that should say the one/main thing giving me pause about Corrik being scum

Ill be busy with family stuff as usual on the weekend but Im gonna try to iso bct today as time allows and see if anything glaring jumps out. I doubt it will because I felt good about BCT being town up to now, though.

Well you have protection powers on both nights and at least BCT said he did not. At this point I just expect Corrik to claim he has no powers on even nights tbh.

I think I should just ISO everyone in that blockade block next. As good as I have felt about BCT, it would be dumb for me to ignore him.

Oh and as for the Red/IGCD ISO, I didnt get much out of it. Will post my notes separately in a bit. Need to make it readable first, lol.

IGCD day1 was gone for periods of time and gone for all of day2, which left him reportedly demotivated.
He did admit to being distracted by Marvel Snap, but it doesnt change that I wish he had more posts to analyze. At least IGCD pursued Sultan from day 1 til day4 and that seemed to be the one player he kept track of. While Sultan was in fact not town, he was also not scum so I cant give IGCd too much towncredit for this. Gameplay credit more like. Still, I appreciate the consistency.

Other bits and bobs. Voted Ashe day1 to help Lea but had no opinion on she himself. Then he dropped the vote to pursue Crescent (whom he suspected a little bit) and Ulti. Day3 he accused Changmas of being scum but didnt feel like voting him would catch on at that time.

As I said before Red was the only player interested in IGCDs Sultan push
Though he called it a gambit of IGCD the next day. This may be when Red decided that IGCD was town ...or he tried to pocket him. Its hard to tell because Red did little else with it.

Already said what I wanted to about Red before, and I didnt find much new with a second more thorough look. He did not vote Ulti or Ashe and said he didnt like either lynch day2. But he was not around enough to tell that at the time.

Death he already said he has a power he doesnt want to go into detail because it could be useful

That should have said 'expected' as in I expected Corrik to claim half nilla
I will refrain from guessing further, but I dont see it being useful to hold it back on a Mylo day.
If he wants to sametime with Red that could work tho I guess.

A few brief thoughts...

• Red is Red, but he's not being very useful here. Feels like scum Red to me.
• Corrik trying to control the narrative is sending out red flags for me.
• Something just bugs me about Death this game and I can't put my finger on it. Remember that Chang felt the same way. We can't let that fade away.
• IGCD finally looking like his usual self. May just be him trying to recover though. I don't know.
• Wall suddenly suspecting me raised my eyebrow. I don't get how I could be scum here, maybe just because I'm not, so either Wall or Corrik has to be scum. But I don't think it's both.
• Brohan really should have been replaced but there was nobody to come. So unfortunately we don't have much data, leaving us with POE.
• Ethan needs to come back and engage more, too. I still don't like that he claimed being a killer first or that he looked as dodgy as he did. Was that him claiming scum?

Dumey was most certainly killed because I'd confirmed him town. May be worth going back to seeing if there was another reason there... I don't have the time right now.

Just getting the Lea ISO out there first, so I have less to ctrl+f.

Lea listed Death, IGCD, Sbell and Ulti as town early.
She disliked FD's vibe but did like him later pushing Crescent and joined in.
Then she got sick, improved a bit and called Brohan probable scum because he seemed to have trouble putting posts together.
This does remind me of her decent point that Brohan was making a playstyle read on her despite them not having played together for 7 years. (what happened after doesnt need to be mentioned again tho). But I will have to focus on that when I get to the Brohan ISO.

Lea moved on to Ben anyway, for his 'stuttered content'. But changed her vote to Dumey because Ben showed her that his content was not as stuttered as she claimed.
And near the end of the day she moved on to Ashe because he was wasting time talking about logic puzzles. Nothing useful data-wise yet, but the interactions with Brohan and Ashe should be made note of.

It also feels too quiet
I know its a sunday so maybe that cant be helped
But still

htaeD posted...

Btw I do have a question for IGCD now, since I have been ISOing him and Red for a bit now.

Why did you say this when I was on one of those three players?
My vote was on Ashe, and I named Ashe along with Brohan and JC.
(Though I will restate that I should not have mentioned Brohan at that time.)

I think I thought you didn't have a vote down because you were leaving.

htaeD posted...

Yeah I should have.
But part of me didnt feel like giving IGCD a lazy way out.
And the other part of me was too tired to deal with stuff.

Oh and another question for IGCD
Why vote with Sultan on JC in the end?

Corrik influenced me

1. Well thats unfortunate. I could have been more direct, But at the same time I am pretty sure someone did tell you that I did have a vote down on Ashe.
2. Influenced how?

Chang replaced Crescent, right? And they are still alive?

htaeD posted...

1. Well thats unfortunate. I could have been more direct, But at the same time I am pretty sure someone did tell you that I did have a vote down on Ashe.
2. Influenced how?

He kept saying JC was scum and I read back on a few things and it seemed plausible in the moment.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Chang replaced Crescent, right? And they are still alive?

Uh no Chang died dude.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Chang replaced Crescent, right? And they are still alive?

this is a really weird question to ask. even in aware of who is still alive

I get maybe forgetting who replaced who, but thats not this

IfGodCouldDie posted...

He kept saying JC was scum and I read back on a few things and it seemed plausible in the moment.

I know you said you were going with the flow. But I feel you could have at least said this part when you started day4.

Tho since we all thought JC was independent, I will grant you that Sultan being scum wouldnt make a difference for the votetrain with Sultans vote on it.

Plus I cant exactly pin down if it was a bad or good choice since I dont know what Corrik is yet.
(and Corrik needed 1 more vote to be lynched at that time anyway)

Dumey and I once talked about how I need to take a George Costanza approach and do the opposite of everything I think. Maybe the scum is most everyone I mentioned thinking was town

Why am I getting a vibe that scum is just waiting on the sidelines for any townplayer to make a post they can exploit.

htaeD posted...

Why am I getting a vibe that scum is just waiting on the sidelines for any townplayer to make a post they can exploit.

I really won't tolerate you coming for an sbell lynch. we get down to a final 3 and you wanna go and I'll put in the effort, but let's reign this feeling in a bit for right now.

Sbell not everything I say is about you!
Heck you at least posted recently.

Obellisk posted...

I really won't tolerate you coming for an sbell lynch. we get down to a final 3 and you wanna go and I'll put in the effort, but let's reign this feeling in a bit for right now.

This should have been a response to Wallz lol

htaeD posted...

Sbell not everything I say is about you!
Heck you at least posted recently.

This is my story.

But this is not FFX Mafia

Corrik7 posted...

So you are saying Ashe as scum went to someone else but just for giggles lied and said he went to the poisoned person? What's the point? Did he know someone was gonna get this scan on FD to confirm he was a ninja and then the other scum being on him would absolve him?

That's so convoluted. The easiest answer is usually the right answer.

Also it took me a bit to find the post where Corriks argument for Ashe being town made the most sense.
Not enough to fully convince me, mind you. But I could see how it might convince Corrik.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

This should have been a response to Wallz lol

if youre town you are really not even trying are you

Putting the Wallz ISO up first since he posted more recently.

Wallz called a sbell townread day1, disliked sbell day2 enough to accidentilly lock his vote on him, but then started liking him again at the end of day4.
Wallz was also wary of Sultan but couldnt put a solid read together on him.
The Sultan outburst changed his mind (he says as much later on day2) because he said he protected him night1. The scan choice here at least fits
Of course he soured on Sultan later but so did everyone else.

Still a question. Wallz did you have any other players in mind for night1? I believe you said Corrik was on your mind, but anyone else?

He Called IGCDs activity a nultell on day1. And asked Red to contribute more here and there on day2 and day4

When asked about Ashe he said that he found him lackluster but was not ready to commit to his lynch yet on day2. That changed day3 when Ashe changed his claim.
He also Hated the JC claim at first, day2 and the start of day3. But he seemed to warm up to him a little as time progressed and eventually sided with the Ashe voters because he liked Sultan and Corrik less on the JC train.

However he switched to Corrik when that chance arrived. Sultan/Corrik/red/Ashethan was his scumteam of day3 so this is not too weird. But could be interesting down the line.
Day4 he went right back to voting Corrik because JC and Changmas flipped town in the mean time. He doubted Corriks claim and wanted him lynched. I dont think he mentioned Ashe since tho.

But then all that claim stuff happened, which I can only digest more once I get to BCT

So two more questions.
Wallz did your opinion on Ashe change since day4? And also Why did you vote Brohan over Sultan at the end of day4?

And before I post more I want to note separately that I would find it unusual for a scumBCT to admit that he knows Dumey didnt move night2, which already locks him into having to make either a motion detector type trait, or a roleblocker type trait. I would find it even more unsusual for him to try to counterclaim Wallz if he wasnt actually a town roleblocker.

Then the Corrik ISO
Corrik was rather inactive day1, but improved a bit day2. Still have less to say about him than Wallz. (good or bad)

Corrik voted Ashe first thing day1 and disappeared later during day1 leaving his vote on Ashe.
Day2 he ultimately went back to Ashe because Ashe still had not done anything then.
And when Ashe changed his claim day3 he did not like that either.
Of course then day4 he shifted everything around due to Dumey's info. And like I said it could be in character for him, but I dont agree that Ashe is proven town.

Commented on Brohan not being himself but liked his response and called him town later on day2
Asked Red some minor questions here and there, seemed to have missed his miller claim as well. He also believed IGCd was acting like his usual self.
Day1 he didnt like Wallz and put Wallz into his PoE day3.

Day 3 he wanted to lynch JC first because of 3p fear.
Day 4 he also thought Sultan was flagging to scum, but voted Brohan first. Then he said he wouldnt mind either lynch. So his vote change is not entirely unexpected.
But I will nevertheless ask: Corrik, why vote Brohan if you were worried that Sultan was planning to betray us?

wallmasterz posted...

if youre town you are really not even trying are you

Not sure what this is supposed to even mean.

BCT didnt get to do much day2 and felt demotivated already day3.
When asked who he would gladiate, he would pick Brohan and Dumey. He made Brohan his vote target for the early hours and again later during day3.
(In between those moments he voted Dumey because he knew Dumey hadnt moved night2.)
BCT admitted that a Brohan lynch wouldnt tell him much, but he voted Brohan anyway and kept a target on him day4, continuously saying his nonpresence was scummy.
Only during the end of day4 does he start to worry that the Brohan lynch is too easy. He unvoted Brohan but didnt vote anyone else.

He called JC or Sultan probable scum but didnt understand why scumJC would use his power the way he did.
He disliked Corrik and Red day4 and suspected that Corrik didnt want people to look at reasons for Changmas' death. (He seemed adamant about Changmas dying for a reason)
He was suspicious of Ashe for having two ninja traits instead of just one.

Day4 was also when he countered Wallz with his own roleblocker trait. Which I went over above.

The only question I have here is, did you have a vote in mind for the end of day4, BCT? I am surprised you didnt go back to Wallz.

Anyway a pattern so far seems to be that IGCD is treated as a nultell by a lot of players, and that Ashe inevitably leaves everyone's attention span.

htaeD posted...

Then the Corrik ISO
Corrik was rather inactive day1, but improved a bit day2. Still have less to say about him than Wallz. (good or bad)

Corrik voted Ashe first thing day1 and disappeared later during day1 leaving his vote on Ashe.
Day2 he ultimately went back to Ashe because Ashe still had not done anything then.
And when Ashe changed his claim day3 he did not like that either.
Of course then day4 he shifted everything around due to Dumey's info. And like I said it could be in character for him, but I dont agree that Ashe is proven town.

Commented on Brohan not being himself but liked his response and called him town later on day2
Asked Red some minor questions here and there, seemed to have missed his miller claim as well. He also believed IGCd was acting like his usual self.
Day1 he didnt like Wallz and put Wallz into his PoE day3.

Day 3 he wanted to lynch JC first because of 3p fear.
Day 4 he also thought Sultan was flagging to scum, but voted Brohan first. Then he said he wouldnt mind either lynch. So his vote change is not entirely unexpected.
But I will nevertheless ask: Corrik, why vote Brohan if you were worried that Sultan was planning to betray us?

I wanted to see what the vote trains would do, and I was confident Brohan was scum. Ultimately I decided to take the sure thing as it tightened up and not risk the game on it.

Hrm. Thats a plausible reason.
Though you cut it kinda close there.

So what did you learn then about the trains?

htaeD posted...

Hrm. Thats a plausible reason.
Though you cut it kinda close there.

So what did you learn then about the trains?

If brohan is scum, wallz is probably scum.

I'm starting to get a feeling you are scum, Death.

Its just a feeling though.

Corrik7 posted...

If brohan is scum, wallz is probably scum.

If brohan is town I mean obviously. Wallz is scum.

Heard that one before.

Meanwhile if Brohan is scum your hances of scum go up as well.
(yes I say this knowing that I switched to Sultan as well, and Sultan was not a bad choice to lynch in the end. But I know what I am)

Corrik7 posted...

If brohan is town I mean obviously. Wallz is scum.

You did confuse me there a second. Made me check if I missed an unvote from Wallz somewhere.

I feel like as either alignment brohan has to vote wallz here. If he is town, he has to know pretty much wallz is scum. If he is scum, then wallz is his mislynch.

The only way he wouldn't vote wallz imo is if both are scum.

Which is interesting.

So it's kinda a predicament with wallz here if brohan does what is expected. Is it the mislynch or the scum lynch.

= /

I think if Brohan is scum, he would be too hesitant to vote first since it would make the day all about him VS Wallz, and Wallz has a lot more going for him.

htaeD posted...

I think if Brohan is scum, he would be too hesitant to vote first since it would make the day all about him VS Wallz, and Wallz has a lot more going for him.

I don't think wallz does at all. The only thing I think really is going for him is that he did seem like genuinely kinda that's cool factored that my role complimented his claimed one.

Corrik I dont suppose your other role complements his other role.
I feel like that is at least info that we need to know.

(I know I keep saying role instead of traits but: meh, effort)

Rolefishing is fun, scumboi.

Its Mylo, we have had a mass. Rolefishing no longer means anything conceptually.

Anyway Brohans ISO told me nothing at all, and I looked at every nook and cranny too.

All I see thats interesting about day1 Brohan is that he didnt want to join the Ashe lynch. He was more about disliking and voting Lea/Ulti.
Oh and he started out suspecting Reds miller claim but felt that Reds reactions were towny later.

Day2 he didnt post.

Day3 he claimed to be demotivated as well (I need to find a new word for this) and voted Ashe rather easily. He left his vote on Ashe.
Did nothing on day4
Didnt really do much today either.

Really all this does is make me think Ashe and Brohan have lower odds of being scum together.

For real tho, where is everyone?
I will remind people that I cant be around for deadline.

htaeD posted...

For real tho, where is everyone?
I will remind people that I cant be around for deadline.

Are you afraid to put the first vote down or something?