Board 8 > Dead by Daylight Mafia topic 8: Child's Play

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htaeD posted...

Oh okay, misunderstood that.
But you're still seeing patterns that arent there.

Bull fucking shit, Death. I swear to God if you aren't scum you are the most asinine town player ever.

It was literally exactly as I said it was. You either are scum purposely obfuscating things or you are clueless as literal fuck.

Do you ever in your entire life look at it from the bigger perspective of the game state?

It's mylo if it's 4 scum + 1 indy survivor. Scum has 4 and doesn't know the 5th exists. Town thinks it's mylo with 5 scum. The indy knows he is the 5th to make it actual mylo. The indy claims indy. He doesn't do that unless he is saying hey scum don't kill me today and we win together tomorrow.

I swear to God if you are town you need to pick up your damn game. It's abysmal as all hell. Like wtf.

htaeD posted...

I just think Sultan would have been better off pretending to be town.

He. Didn't. Want. Scum. To. Kill. Him. And. To. Let. Them. Know. They. Win. With. Him. Tomorrow.

No shit he was better off not claiming indy but he didn't want scum to accidentally kill him.

Corrik relax. I am not saying Sultan didnt flag to scum.
Its the 'players who voted Sultan' patterns that I am having trouble understanding. Understanding where you are going with,
because at times it sounds like you are calling Brohan town and at other times it sounds like you are calling him scum.

Corrik7 posted...

He. Didn't. Want. Scum. To. Kill. Him. And. To. Let. Them. Know. They. Win. With. Him. Tomorrow.

No shit he was better off not claiming indy but he didn't want scum to accidentally kill him.

Fine.
I realize that the conditions under which he claimed werent ideal for him so he probably didnt think every consequence through.

htaeD posted...

Corrik relax. I am not saying Sultan didnt flag to scum.
Its the 'players who voted Sultan' patterns that I am having trouble understanding. Understanding where you are going with,
because at times it sounds like you are calling Brohan town and at other times it sounds like you are calling him scum.

I don't know brohans alignment. If brohan is town though, wallz is undoubtedly scum.

We have had basically nonexistent investigation roles. The only real investigative power we had was Edumey basically confirmed Ashe as town, yet everyone is still acting like Ashe is scum. So, this game is a shitshow. Like, I don't know what to make of pretty much everyone here. I started out with having most the game seemingly town cleared with a poe to double back on almost all of it due to the play of players throughout the game. It's remarkably insane.

Isnt Ashe investigation?
And Ben?

htaeD posted...

Isnt Ashe investigation?
And Ben?

They haven't provided anything to help. Edumey is like the one scan we have this game which provided any helpful information and no one will take it for what it's worth.

To be fair to Ashe, I did roleblock him lol.

Only 6 of the remaining 9 players had a vote down at end of day, dumey was killed, he ended on Brohan, but I assume he claimed something they would want dead.

Red, Death and Corrik all ended on Sultan with me so maybe I am completely wrong on all of them.

Sbell I am still convinced is town.

That is 4 players. That leaves Ashe, Wallz, BCT, Brohan.

Fuck it, let's lynch Wallz.

Corrik7 posted...

They haven't provided anything to help. Edumey is like the one scan we have this game which provided any helpful information and no one will take it for what it's worth.

But they could have.
At the very least Brohans claimed role is not that strong since it takes at least 2 nights to get any info out. So balance-wise I could see it existing alongside the rest.
Though we're at the stage where almost half the of living claimed powers have to be lying anyway.

(and once again, Dumey's scan didnt confirm that Ashe visited FD.)

IGCD you dont remember what Dumey claimed?

Weird, but I will be nice and summarize.

He claimed to be an investigator who could see everything that happened to a player in the past. (But not the present)
He targeted me night1 and found out that nothing happened to me day1
He targeted FD night3 and found out that he had been poisoned night1 and roleblocked (by the box) at the start of day2.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Only 6 of the remaining 9 players had a vote down at end of day, dumey was killed, he ended on Brohan, but I assume he claimed something they would want dead.

Red, Death and Corrik all ended on Sultan with me so maybe I am completely wrong on all of them.

Sbell I am still convinced is town.

That is 4 players. That leaves Ashe, Wallz, BCT, Brohan.

Fuck it, let's lynch Wallz.

Ok, so even if Sultan was not lynched yesterday mafia still doesn't win today. He counted towards town parity. So I'm thinking Corrik, Red, Death being on him doesn't actually mean anything positive for any of them.

I mean if the conclusion is that Brohan would be among the 4 remaining scumcandidates, that just causes a paradox where the scumcandidate pool becomes bigger again anyway.

Still though
Not using the power at all.

Its so comical it almost becomes believable again.
I mean for one thing I feel like a scumBrohan could just have made up results to make himself more credible.

The fact that someone time stamped him and he hadn't even been online for 20hrs makes it much more believable.

Yeah that was me
I am the timestamp lover

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Ok, so even if Sultan was not lynched yesterday mafia still doesn't win today. He counted towards town parity. So I'm thinking Corrik, Red, Death being on him doesn't actually mean anything positive for any of them.

Yes they do. They lynch together and it changes phases again and it's over.

Corrik7 posted...

Yes they do. They lynch together and it changes phases again and it's over.

That would require the scum team completely outing themselves to convince Sultan to vote their way.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

That would require the scum team completely outing themselves to convince Sultan to vote their way.

Thats why Sultan flagged to scum.

Like let's make this clear. If Sultan isn't lynched and town is.

It's 4 scum 1 indy and 5 town.

Even if you lynched scum the next day when Sultan is on towns side. It's 3 scum 1 indy and 4 town after the night kill on town. The game is still over even if Sultan helps town lynch town the following day. If Sultan lived that day, scum wins no matter what.

Corrik7 posted...

Like let's make this clear. If Sultan isn't lynched and town is.

It's 4 scum 1 indy and 5 town.

Even if you lynched scum the next day when Sultan is on towns side. It's 3 scum 1 indy and 4 town after the night kill on town. The game is still over even if Sultan helps town lynch town the following day. If Sultan lived that day, scum wins no matter what.

We literally have 9 right now, your math is wrong.

I think I get what math Corrik wanted to state there. But that still depends on scum trusting Sultan.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

We literally have 9 right now, your math is wrong.

It changes nothing.

What I'm saying is that no matter what happens that scum wins at that point. Even if town lynches scum, scum + indy always has the numbers on the lynch whenever he flips scum side.

It's inevitable.

Corrik7 posted...

It changes nothing.

What I'm saying is that no matter what happens that scum wins at that point. Even if town lynches scum, scum + indy always has the numbers on the lynch whenever he flips scum side.

It's inevitable.

No it isn't.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

No it isn't.

I am literally confused if you don't know how math works.

Like, its math. Scum has already won, they just have to wait til the right phase that their numbers + indy outnumbers town. You can never get out of losing from that point...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Red, Death and Corrik all ended on Sultan with me so maybe I am completely wrong on all of them.

but why does choosing to lynch a 3rd party = town?

But your theory is pointless if Brohan is scum.

Obellisk posted...

but why does choosing to lynch a 3rd party = town?

I was under the impression that Sultans role was more scum aligned due to Corrik but it was actually more town aligned because he counted towards parity for town.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I was under the impression that Sultans role was more scum aligned due to Corrik but it was actually more town aligned because he counted towards parity for town.

IF we lynched town yesterday would this game be over or would we still be playing?

And I'd we are still playing after a town lynch, would a Sultan lynch today then mean we are still playing the next day?

Cause if that's the case then scum would always want Sultan dead yesterday because now the pool of town to hide in is larger.

VICTORY CONDITION: You win if and only if the Killers decisively win over the Survivors. This means:
you win with SOLO QUEUE on even days+nights if all SURVIVE WITH FRIENDS are eliminated.
you win with the KILL YOUR FRIENDS team on odd days/nights if they outnumber both you and the living SOLO QUEUE players.
you lose if the opposite happens, or if you are killed, eliminated by the end of day vote, or otherwise removed from the game.

It seems like Sultan was on our side yesterday, but would have won with scum today.
Thats why he probably tried to flag scum. Because even if we mislynched, scum could not win until they were killers again and banded together with Sultans vote.

htaeD posted...

But your theory is pointless if Brohan is scum.

I said if Brohan is town.

So to answer Sbell more directly

- No the game would not be over because Sultan counted as a player that scum needed to outnumber
- No the game would be over. If we had to lynch Sultan today after we mislynched town yesterday, then it'd be 4 scum vs 4 town.

Unless you want to believe its only 3 scum, but that seems impossible to me.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm literally the only player in the game thus far that has hounded lynching a player that wasn't town from the start of the game

If you somehow pulled one over on us igcd this is some perspective slip.

Corrik7 posted...

I said if Brohan is town.

Well I didnt say you werent. But I dont know why you keep saying the theory.

Btw when are you going to claim your other flavor?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm just sick of Red consistently shit talking me every game, it gets tiring

How dare i cite your recent play. Totally shit talking

htaeD posted...

So to answer Sbell more directly

- No the game would not be over because Sultan counted as a player that scum needed to outnumber
- No the game would be over. If we had to lynch Sultan today after we mislynched town yesterday, then it'd be 4 scum vs 4 town.

Unless you want to believe its only 3 scum, but that seems impossible to me.

with that said then Scum has EVERYTHING to gain by making sure Sultan was lynched yesterday. So saying Sultan lynchers are town is dumb.

Random side note, it really does feel like FD was cop doesn't it.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Fuck it, let's lynch Wallz.

We should probably just lynch Ashe.

Obellisk posted...

with that said then Scum has EVERYTHING to gain by making sure Sultan was lynched yesterday. So saying Sultan lynchers are town is dumb.

I honestly hope this game ends soon because the broken logic is astounding to me and people keep doing it over and over and over and over and over.

Why in the fucking world would scum benefit from losing their 5th voter. Jesus.

What did I do to deserve this...

Scum won the game if town was lynched over Sultan. Literally won. Why the fuck would they have everything to gain otherwise.

I can't even.

Leafeon13N posted...

We should probably just lynch Ashe.

Literally the scan means barring a crazy chain of events Ashe is town.

Jesus. I don't understand how every last person in this game appears to be scum. It's impossible to sort out. Nobody has simple logic.

corrik, if we lynched town yesterday would we still be playing today?
yes or no.

Obellisk posted...

corrik, if we lynched town yesterday would we still be playing today?
yes or no.

As a formality, only if the host doesn't end it due to play to win rules.

Corrik7 posted...

As a formality, only if the host doesn't end it due to play to win rules.

it would be 4 / 4 / 1, right? And then an immediate lynch of Sultan ends the game. however Sultan could be further left alive as 3rd party and there is 1 less town to hide behind.

otherwise it's 5 / 4 and there is a larger pool of town to hide in and better chance at a mislynch and end of game.

I'm just saying there are benefits to scum wanting 3rd party lynched. IGCD was saying anyone on Sultan must be town.

and it's not a formality. Sultan wins with both town or scum, depending on day. So the day would exist.

Its technically not a formality
But Sultan could at any point decide to just tell everyone out loud that he wins with scum now and is gonna vote with them on whoever.

That said scum would then have to trust that Sultan is telling the truth to them and not putting down some big bait.

Bottom line, it made sense for scum to kill Sultan. he wasn't they're fifth vote. That's a false narrative.

##Vote: Red

if he's town have it scum.

Well.... nothings happened yet.

Almost as if he is scum and should probably just be lynched.

Or maybe they don't actually have the numbers to get the job done yet, which would really make Corrik look pretty bad in my eyes too with the way he is pushing his theory of why Sultan had to die. Like a town mindset would have lynched him just because he wasn't town but Corrik is trying to justify beyond that.