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ZannoL
02/01/24 7:58:39 PM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/how-onlyfans-became-outlet-source-help-loneliness-sadness-connection-sex-2024-1

Nine of the 10 OF creators Business Insider spoke with for this story said they'd had long-term digital relationships with fans that extended well beyond sexuality. Some call it a "girlfriend experience" and charge top dollar, while others treat them more like friendships. Many said they believed these connections were what set OF apart from other porn-focused platforms.

"They can go to Pornhub and get naked people and sexual videos," Rae Richmond, another content creator, said. "They don't come to OF for that. They come to OF to make a connection with the creator."

A Meta-Gallup survey published in October found that 24% of responding adults felt very or fairly lonely.

Men, in particular, seem to show difficulties forming deep relationships. In a Pew survey published last year, 63% of responding men under 30 said they were single, while only 34% of responding women in that age group described themselves the same way. In another 2023 Pew study, responding women of all ages reported they were more likely to talk to their close friends about personal subjects such as family, health, and work.

OF has become a place for users the majority of whom are men to fill their emotional needs. Many creators on the platform aren't just selling photos and videos; they're selling connections. "Microtransactions" such as pay-per-message chatting or custom content pay-per-view videos, and tips account for over 50% of OF revenue, which hit over $1 billion in 2022, the last year for which data is available.

Some experts warn that these relationships can kickstart a downward spiral: Lonely people turn to OF in search of connection, but some can leave feeling more isolated.

"If you're hungry and you go to the 7-Eleven, you buy a whole bag of chocolate bars and chips, is that going to fill you up? Over time, are you going to get what you need? No, of course not," Robert Weiss, a certified sex-addiction specialist who focuses on digital intimacy, told BI. "It's the same thing emotionally. I'm filling myself up with candy, but there's nothing real there for me."

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ironman2009
02/01/24 7:59:05 PM
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i'm sure that will help them

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FolkenRawr
02/01/24 8:00:09 PM
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Imagine asserting this is new, and novel to OF.

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Kai_Laguna
02/01/24 8:01:02 PM
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It's definitely unhealthy but the question is, which is more unhealthy, these parasocial one or not experiencing them at all?
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Prestoff
02/01/24 8:01:09 PM
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That's honestly sad to hear. I'm against having a parasocial relationship in general. That's why I always follow the "don't meet your heroes" mentality.

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SuperExcitebike
02/01/24 8:01:13 PM
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They might trick themselves into thinking it's a connection, but they're talking to paid employees or robots

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Cobra1010
02/01/24 8:01:30 PM
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ironman2009 posted...
i'm sure that will help them

Its a symptom rather than the actual illness. Finding the actual source and to cure it, is much harder.

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ZannoL
02/01/24 8:05:23 PM
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SuperExcitebike posted...
They might trick themselves into thinking it's a connection, but they're talking to paid employees or robots

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BloodMoon7
02/01/24 8:13:36 PM
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Same but it's anime and video game women for me fam. Have to wonder which is more sad, a love that isn't real or loving something that's not real.

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Guide
02/01/24 8:15:02 PM
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I wonder if this is better or worse than when men would go to strip clubs for the same reason.

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trivialbeing
02/01/24 8:16:41 PM
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it sucks to be a straight man in the dating game these days
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Anteaterking
02/01/24 8:23:19 PM
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Kai_Laguna posted...
It's definitely unhealthy but the question is, which is more unhealthy, these parasocial one or not experiencing them at all?

Parasocial ones can provide just enough of an ultimately unsatisfying thing to prevent you from seeking a real relationship and also often leads to financial issues as well.

Not like "I'm bankrupt from OF" issues but still.

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haloiscoolisbak
02/01/24 8:25:42 PM
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SuperExcitebike posted...
They might trick themselves into thinking it's a connection, but they're talking to paid employees or robots

Yeah if there was like a guarantee it was the celebrity running it and answering messages instead of likely ChatGPT or an assistant I'd have a tiny bit more understanding

It's just so likely you're donating money with zero actual interaction

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Guide
02/01/24 8:30:49 PM
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63%? Jesus christ. I always thought it was like, a quarter at most. What were the survey parameters?

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IceCreamOnStero
02/01/24 8:31:28 PM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
Yeah if there was like a guarantee it was the celebrity running it and answering messages instead of likely ChatGPT or an assistant I'd have a tiny bit more understanding

It's just so likely you're donating money with zero actual interaction
Even if it wasn't some generated thing, there's still no actual interaction. Its completely hollow and artifical.

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rexcrk
02/01/24 8:31:38 PM
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What could go wrong??

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Enclave
02/01/24 8:37:42 PM
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Oh look, it's the usual porn panic just reflavoured for modern times.

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ZannoL
02/01/24 8:39:10 PM
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Enclave posted...
Oh look, it's the usual porn panic just reflavoured for modern times.
Enclave how much have you spent so far?
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Enclave
02/01/24 8:44:52 PM
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ZannoL posted...
Enclave how much have you spent so far?

$0

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ZannoL
02/01/24 8:46:14 PM
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Enclave posted...
$0
Good.
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Cobra1010
02/01/24 8:49:35 PM
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So if 60% men below 30 are single but only 30% women are, of the same age group. Then that means the women are dating older men.

But if there are roughly equal amount of men and women on the planet. Then whats happening to the older women, like the women in their 30s-40s.

Unless this is like the golden era for chads who are fucking like 3 chicks each.

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berlyman101
02/01/24 8:50:51 PM
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Cobra1010 posted...
So if 60% men below 30 are single but only 30% women are, of the same age group. Then that means the women are dating older men.

But if there are roughly equal amount of men and women on the planet. Then whats happening to the older women, like the women in their 30s-40s.

Unless this is like the golden era for chads who are fucking like 3 chicks each.

That's a bingo!

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Guide
02/01/24 8:51:04 PM
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Enclave posted...
Oh look, it's the usual porn panic just reflavoured for modern times.

Not sure how you could possibly interpret that from the article.

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IceCreamOnStero
02/01/24 8:52:47 PM
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Cobra1010 posted...
So if 60% men below 30 are single but only 30% women are, of the same age group. Then that means the women are dating older men.

But if there are roughly equal amount of men and women on the planet. Then whats happening to the older women, like the women in their 30s-40s.

Unless this is like the golden era for chads who are fucking like 3 chicks each.

There's also the fact that its self reported. If men and women are reporting dufferent things as "single" its going to skew results

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LightningThief
02/01/24 9:09:41 PM
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Likely not real? It isn't real. It's transactional and one sided. It's not helping these people to tell them it's real.

As for is it unhealthy, yes. The men struggling to find a relationship, OF isn't going to be your ticket to reversing that problem. If anything else it's feeding into why these men are having trouble.
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Enclave
02/01/24 9:28:43 PM
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Guide posted...
Not sure how you could possibly interpret that from the article.

Are you joking? Men are lonely, men are seeking connections, blah, blah, blah, just a new twist on the same ole panic.

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Guide
02/01/24 9:31:28 PM
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Enclave posted...
Are you joking? Men are lonely, men are seeking connections

Are they not lonely and seeking connections?

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ZannoL
02/01/24 9:35:29 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

My one friend admitted in group chat that he spent nearly 700 dollars in the span of 2 months.

He told us because he wanted us to keep him accountable. He hasnt spent on OF since.
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C_Pain
02/01/24 9:36:33 PM
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Feel like the loneliness epidemic is gonna cause an incel epidemic

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Revisited
02/01/24 9:39:23 PM
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Guide posted...
I wonder if this is better or worse than when men would go to strip clubs for the same reason.
Was that the reason the boomer generation and beyond went to those smelly, disgusting disease ridden places? Huh.
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ExtremeLuchador
02/01/24 9:58:33 PM
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I'm pushing 40 and people only talk to me when they want something. I enjoy my peace and solitude and would never spend money on attention.

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Aloc
02/01/24 10:10:44 PM
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Remember how feminists complain about being invisible but ignore when men feel invisible?

Yeah.

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Revisited
02/01/24 10:14:05 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yeah I know what it's like to be lonely but this... this ain't it. I wouldn't even pay for sex, so I don't understand these people paying for merely pixels on a screen, not even the actual person being in front of them.
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Enclave
02/01/24 10:14:47 PM
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Guide posted...
Are they not lonely and seeking connections?

I'm just saying that this is nothing new, it's a different twist on the same ole porn panic we've always had. Shit's exhausting.

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Guide
02/01/24 10:21:54 PM
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Enclave posted...
I'm just saying that this is nothing new, it's a different twist on the same ole porn panic we've always had. Shit's exhausting.

You're saying this percentage of this demographic is nothing new?

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buddah86
02/01/24 10:23:21 PM
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Lol simps

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Enclave
02/01/24 10:27:41 PM
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Guide posted...
You're saying this percentage of this demographic is nothing new?

How did they do the polling, what areas did they poll, without actually looking at the polling data it's hard to draw any kind of real conclusion but that's something news articles rarely care about because a scare mongering article gets more clicks and generates more interactions.

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Guide
02/01/24 10:44:45 PM
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Enclave posted...
How did they do the polling, what areas did they poll, without actually looking at the polling data it's hard to draw any kind of real conclusion but that's something news articles rarely care about because a scare mongering article gets more clicks and generates more interactions.

Ugh, I'll find the link in the console.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/
Pew Research Center conducted this study to better understand single Americans, from their romantic goals to their experiences with online dating. This survey was conducted among 6,034 U.S. adults from July 5-17, 2022. This included 4,996 respondents from the Centers American Trends Panel (ATP), an online survey panel that is recruited through national, random sampling of residential addresses. This way nearly all U.S. adults have a chance of selection. It also included an oversample of 1,038 respondents from Ipsos KnowledgePanel who indicated that they are lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB), with oversampled groups weighted back to reflect proportions in the population. The survey is weighted to be representative of the U.S. adult population by gender, race, ethnicity, partisan affiliation, education and other categories. Read more about the ATPs methodology.
Here are the questions used for this analysis, along with responses, and its methodology.
Lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) adults are combined because of small sample sizes. Additionally, since this research is focused on sexual orientation, not gender identity, and due to the fact that the transgender population in the U.S. is very small, transgender respondents are not identified separately. Read the full online dating report for more details.

Fairly small sample size, at least it's a wide net.

But regardless of that, you're taking one subject and making it about something else. Like,
"They can go to Pornhub and get naked people and sexual videos," Rae Richmond, another content creator, said. "They don't come to OF for that. They come to OF to make a connection with the creator."

This is pointedly not about porn.

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wanderingshade
02/01/24 11:06:22 PM
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I'd rather just find a chatty cam-girl.

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Enclave
02/01/24 11:30:12 PM
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Guide posted...
This is pointedly not about porn.

Except it is, this is far from the first time we've heard these sorts of arguments, this is just a slight twist on the past. The idea that "Oh no, men are finding it hard to make real connections because of porn thing!" is an old as hell thing to bring up. For what they're talking about specifically here? People said shit like this about strip clubs and phone lines and just all sorts of stuff. I'm sure you can find stuff about cam girls, people are still going to get in relationships the world will keep spinning.

But hey, if you want to get into some pity party about oh woe is men, they need to go to OnlyFans to find companionship then have at it, it's not a real problem though in wider society.

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ssjevot
02/01/24 11:33:34 PM
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Guide posted...
Fairly small sample size,

That's not a small sample size at all. Why do people keep saying stuff like that?

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Guide
02/01/24 11:49:16 PM
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Enclave posted...
The idea that "Oh no, men are finding it hard to make real connections because of porn thing!" is an old as hell thing to bring up.

It is a very old thing, but that's not what this thing is, though I see there's not much point in furthering this with you.

Enclave posted...
it's not a real problem though in wider society.
This, however... Where is this coming from?


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008Zulu
02/01/24 11:58:19 PM
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Trying to get in to a meaningful relationship with a creator (who is probably already in a relationship with someone), alongside 20,000 other hopefuls... you'd have better luck talking to someone at random out on the street.

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ZannoL
02/02/24 12:45:41 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Trying to get in to a meaningful relationship with a creator (who is probably already in a relationship with someone), alongside 20,000 other hopefuls... you'd have better luck talking to someone at random out on the street.
Yeah.
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2Pacavelli
02/02/24 1:01:24 AM
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It's a symptom of a greater societal problem
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2Pacavelli
02/02/24 1:02:53 AM
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Revisited posted...
Yeah I know what it's like to be lonely but this... this ain't it. I wouldn't even pay for sex, so I don't understand these people paying for merely pixels on a screen, not even the actual person being in front of them.

They probably feel it's less risky dealing with them digitally. Because in real life they may open themselves to being robbed, or catching an std, or catching a charge for solicitation
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LightningThief
02/02/24 10:04:41 AM
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mariolover2 posted...
eh, I know a guy who uses clapper app. it isnt actually any stranger than the strip club. Its safer for introverts (male or female).

some of the women actually phone him and enjoy his humor, but hes too shy to facetime them. He might have given in and lost money, lol.

hes not losing anything if hes gaining affection he cant find elsewhere.
I'm not familiar with whatever app you are talking about. If it's some connection app, that doesnt require either or side to pay other, then you are talking about completely something else.

However any app or service that literally requires you to pay the other person for an interaction, and trying to claim to be an emotional connection, is not a genuine 2 way emotional connection. Telling these people that it is, is not healthy.

It's also a lie that the person accepting the money genuinely wants to talk to you for a real emotional connection. A real 2 way emotional connection doesnt stop the moment the money stops flowing in.

All its doing is feeding into the problems these people are having in the first place thinking they have some emotional connection with the person they are throwing money at. As these people genuinely are convinced the people they are showering money to genuinely loves them if the cash wasn't flowing. They also get it twisted when they are contacted by them. Your one way connection you are paying for, contacting you isn't a mind blowing surprise given they want you to keep paying.

This is a one way transactional connection, plain and simple. Call me when this 2 way "emotional connection" continues after the payments cease to exist.
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philsov
02/02/24 10:15:24 AM
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SuperExcitebike posted...
They might trick themselves into thinking it's a connection, but they're talking to paid employees or robots


Yup. Top OF people outsource requests and interactions to other people. Its more than one person can handle! I imagine lots of men thinking they're talking to some busty chick are just talking to a straight dude in another country who's ESL.

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