Current Events > Welp, time to kiss the Georgia Interference Case goodbye

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TC got schooled hard

CableZL posted...

You're trying to conflate "invented controversy" with "damage to the process." What evidence is there that "A DA and prosecutor assigned to that case used their position of power in the legal system to try to fuck over the prosecutor's ex wife?"

We'll have to see what the judge says in the hearing later this month, but Fani Willis isn't mentioned at all in the unsealed divorce documents. All this just seems like more defamation attempts like what they did to Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss.

The ex-wife's updated motion, at the bottom of that Guardian article if what I'm referencing. Did you read it? It mentions Willis by name and describes how Wade attempted to hide his increased income from taking the Trump case. It seems like he realized he'd be getting a big windfall, and tried to hide that during his divorce proceedings. Which is illegal, and the Fox5 article linked by another user goes into that part of the process.

snake1989 posted...

The ex-wife's updated motion, at the bottom of that Guardian article if what I'm referencing. Did you read it? It mentions Willis by name and describes how Wade attempted to hide his increased income from taking the Trump case. It seems like he realized he'd be getting a big windfall, and tried to hide that during his divorce proceedings. Which is illegal, and the Fox5 article linked by another user goes into that part of the process.

ok so what does any of that have to do with the actual proceedings of the Trump case

thronedfire2 posted...

ok so what does any of that have to do with the actual proceedings of the Trump case

The full allegation from Wade's ex wife would be this: Wade and Willis started having an affair at some point prior to 2021. When Willis assigned Wade the Trump case in 2021, he initiated a divorce from his wife the next day, with the goal being to separate their assets before she became entitled to his increased income as part of their marital assets, and attempted to hide his increased income during the next couple years of divorce proceedings. This while also spending a lot of money on non-work related travel, some of which was with DA Willis, the woman directly responsible for his windfall by assigning him to the Trump case.

snake1989 posted...

The ex-wife's updated motion, at the bottom of that Guardian article if what I'm referencing. Did you read it? It mentions Willis by name and describes how Wade attempted to hide his increased income from taking the Trump case. It seems like he realized he'd be getting a big windfall, and tried to hide that during his divorce proceedings. Which is illegal, and the Fox5 article linked by another user goes into that part of the process.

Wade hiding income would be separate from the RICO case itself, though. I'm still waiting to hear any actual objective evidence for how their relationship would be improper as it relates to the RICO case. Jenna Ellis' attorneys in the RICO case are a married couple. There is also a romantic relationship going on between two separate defendants in the RICO case. Unless both of those are also illegal according to Georgia law (they aren't), then I don't see what the issue is.

CableZL posted...

Wade hiding income would be separate from the RICO case itself, though. I'm still waiting to hear any actual objective evidence for how their relationship would be improper as it relates to the RICO case. Jenna Ellis' attorneys in the RICO case are a married couple. There is also a romantic relationship going on between two separate defendants in the RICO case. Unless both of those are also illegal according to Georgia law (they aren't), then I don't see what the issue is.

TBH, I don't think it affects the RICO case directly, so apologies if that's what came across.

I think the more likely outcome is that if both the DA and Prosecutor get fired as a result of their tomfoolery, the RICO case would likely be impossible to complete before the 2024 election. That's the outcome I'm worried about here.

infetterence*

snake1989 posted...

TBH, I don't think it affects the RICO case directly, so apologies if that's what came across.

I think the more likely outcome is that if both the DA and Prosecutor get fired as a result of their tomfoolery, the RICO case would likely be impossible to complete before the 2024 election. That's the outcome I'm worried about here.

It's not going to be complete before the election regardless. Fani Willis has previously stated that she expects the trial to last at least 5 months and her current requested trial date for all ~15 remaining defendants is August 5th. She originally wanted all 19 defendants to go to trial in October of last year after Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell filed speedy trial motions. The judge didn't want to do that because he understandably saw a 19-defendant trial as logistically impossible. There were also multiple motions to sever and waivers of speedy trial rights.

Whether all 15 remaining defendants get tried jointly or separately, they're planning to present the entire case every time even if it's 15 separate trials.

snake1989 posted...

The full allegation from Wade's ex wife would be this: Wade and Willis started having an affair at some point prior to 2021. When Willis assigned Wade the Trump case in 2021, he initiated a divorce from his wife the next day, with the goal being to separate their assets before she became entitled to his increased income as part of their marital assets, and attempted to hide his increased income during the next couple years of divorce proceedings. This while also spending a lot of money on travel, some of which was with DA Willis, the woman directly responsible for his windfall by assigning him to the Trump case.

so, nothing? ok.

The only trials that had a chance to be done before the election were the NY hush money/business records case (currently set for March 25th) and the January 6th trial that just got delayed because of Trump's bullshit appeal.

So we're looking at a possible pre-election conviction in the NY hush money/business case and we don't know when the January 6th trial will start. Judge Cannon seems perfectly happy to slow roll the classified documents case, so who knows what's going to happen with that one. Judge Cannon herself caused multiple months of delay in the classified documents case by improperly asserting jurisdiction in the criminal investigation.

CableZL posted...

It's not going to be complete before the election regardless. Fani Willis has previously stated that she expects the trial to last at least 5 months and her current requested trial date for all ~15 remaining defendants is August 5th. She originally wanted all 19 defendants to go to trial in October of last year after Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell filed speedy trial motions. The judge didn't want to do that because he understandably saw a 19-defendant trial as logistically impossible. There were also multiple motions to sever and waivers of speedy trial rights.

Whether all 15 remaining defendants get tried jointly or separately, they're planning to present the entire case every time even if it's 15 separate trials.

That still sounds like a problem to me, if the court dates are so close to the election. If things get pushed out it seems possible the case wouldn't even really begin until after the election, which is even worse imo.

Interesting that a random old account jumped in to continue the exact argument the TC was making, and all of their active posts appear to be in this topic alone.

snake1989 posted...

That still sounds like a problem to me, if the court dates are so close to the election. If things get pushed out it seems possible the case wouldn't even really begin until after the election, which is even worse imo.

It's a huge problem. Trump is known to be a vexatious litigant and delays things by making up bullshit frivolous appeals and filings over and over.

My hope right now is that Judge Engoron fines Trump hundreds of millions of dollars and permanently bans him from the real estate business in New York and causes Trump to go broke. Trump is gonna appeal that, too, but he hasn't been successful in appealing anything in that case so far.

thronedfire2 posted...

so, nothing? ok.

If you think so, sure. I think that the optics are terrible at best, but clearly many people in this thread disagree, so I'm not gonna say I have the right answer here by any means.

Ultimately, we'll have to wait and see what the judge says in the hearing later this month either way. But unless Jenna Ellis' guilty plea is gonna be thrown out because her lawyers are married and Kenneth Chesebro's guilty plea is gonna be thrown out because his lawyer is dating one of the other defense attorneys, I don't see why we should care about a relationship between Fani Willis and Nathan Wade as it relates to the RICO case.

CableZL posted...

It's a huge problem. Trump is known to be a vexatious litigant and delays things by making up bullshit frivolous appeals and filings over and over.

My hope right now is that Judge Engoron fines Trump hundreds of millions of dollars and permanently bans him from the real estate business in New York and causes Trump to go broke. Trump is gonna appeal that, too, but he hasn't been successful in appealing anything in that case so far.

Yup...it's his greatest skill, sadly. I do think he's going to eventually get a legal smackdown like you describe.

I think what bothers me is that the DA and Prosecutor in Georgia really should have known that about him. They should have been smart enough to not use the taking of his case as their moment to move forward on their affair and have Wade divorce his wife...but what's done is done.

snake1989 posted...

Yup...it's his greatest skill, sadly. I do think he's going to eventually get a legal smackdown like you describe.

I think what bothers me is that the DA and Prosecutor in Georgia really should have known that about him. They should have been smart enough to not use the taking of his case as their moment to move forward on their affair and have Wade divorce his wife...but what's done is done.

According to Fani Willis, their marriage had been irretrievably broken since 2017 because she cheated on him with his friend, but... either way, we'll see what the judge says later this month.

HashtagSEP posted...

Interesting that a random old account jumped in to continue the exact argument the TC was making, and all of their active posts appear to be in this topic alone.

Nah, I was driving home from work is all.

I guess this mostly just boils down to me having zero faith in our justice system or the voters of the US. I already know Willis has been under fire from the Georgia state government and this shit, no matter how unjustified, will fuel that. I also know that our country turned sharply against Hillary Clinton because a nothingburger investigation was opened against her, and voters are fickle at best. The more the optics of any of Trumps cases turn in his favor, even if indirectly, the better his chances of convincing voters that all of the prosecutions against him are politically motivated.

Like, my entire argument from the start stemmed from how the appearance of the impropriety worked in Trumps favor. All the arguments against me (the ones that werent just lol doomsaying) are that legally Trumps team has no legal leg to stand on to call the legitimacy of this trial into question, and thats missing the point. Trumps entire corrupt empire was never built on facts or legalities, but on obfuscation and controlling the narrative, of trying to paint himself as a victim and getting away with it all. He didnt earn the nickname Teflon Don because of the mirror shine on his spray tan.

Like, I just do not understand how any of you have faith in our system working in our favor at this point. You all really think we finally have him this time, and that nothing can stop the hammer of justice from giving him the smackdown he deserves? Yeah, I look all doom and gloom and probably paranoid, but Ill take that over clinging to naive hope frankly.

Horith posted...

Like, I just do not understand how any of you have faith in our system working in our favor at this point. You all really think we finally have him this time, and that nothing can stop the hammer of justice from giving him the smackdown he deserves? Yeah, I look all doom and gloom and probably paranoid, but Ill take that over clinging to naive hope frankly.

I definitely understand that sentiment. Personally, I'm just hoping for the best while expecting the worst. I never thought Trump would ever face any serious penalty for his obvious fraud schemes, but then came Judge Engoron's pre-trial partial summary judgement. He ordered that their NY business certificates had to be canceled, which would mean the Trump Organization will no longer exist. That order has just been put on hold until the trial finishes. So I'm again hoping for another devastating final ruling later this month.

So much unprecedented shit has happened since Trump became president, so I'm just going along for the ride and seeing how it all plays out.

I was also worried that many of the insurrectionists would just get away with what they did since the vast majority of them were just let go that day. However, what we've seen the past 3 years is them getting arrested left and right, tried, and convicted. Only a few have escaped charges entirely after they were indicted so far.

Many of them are getting much lighter sentences than I would like, but we've seen multiple members of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers get 10+ years in prison, with Enrique Tarrio getting 22 years and Stewart Rhodes getting 18 years (I believe).

"wait and see" is not "naive hope"

if anything the story is about how the media is desperate to turn it into a story

what are people's reactions?

pretty much what you see in the topic: complete indifference to strangers boning and other ppl's divorce proceedings.

snake1989 posted...

What correlation do you think I'm drawing?

"This looks like two cheating scumbags using their knowledge of the law to try to cover their own asses. And Trump will walk because of it."

Horith posted...

How about the Georgia state House/Senate?

What power do you think they have exactly?

While Trump definitely has his cult following with a few in the Georgia state house/senate, from what I've seen it seems like many Georgia state republican officials don't like Trump after what he did to their state and don't want to do him any favors. Fortunately, the secretary of state and governor are both in the anti-Trump camp. At least, so far.

If they didn't find something like this, they would be making up stories and calling them all groomers, pedophiles, or somehow linking them to Dr. Fauci.

Torgo posted...

If they didn't find something like this, they would be making up stories and calling them all groomers, pedophiles, or somehow linking them to Dr. Fauci.

Trump has been saying Willis is a racist since she took up this case. trying to act like he's only being prosecuted because he's white.

CableZL posted...

According to Fani Willis, their marriage had been irretrievably broken since 2017 because she cheated on him with his friend, but... either way, we'll see what the judge says later this month.

And his ex-wife claims it was actually Wade doing the cheating in 2017, and that he lied to Willis about these details. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if either version is true at this point, but you're right that we won't know until the judge weighs in.

thronedfire2 posted...

Trump has been saying Willis is a racist since she took up this case. trying to act like he's only being prosecuted because he's white.

Yeah, you're going to get every idiotic conspiracy thrown at the wall.

In a sense, having one real but not actually illegal or consequential thing in there both lends credence to the insane smears that right wing base eat up, but it may also be overlooked by the mainstream due to the "boy who cried wolf" effect - we're so used to the nonsense gross bigoted conspiracies that we can't be bothered to get worked up about this.

Horith posted...

This isnt just someone in her office, its literally one of the prosecutors on the Trump case itself. That blows away a lot of credibility as to impartiality, and gives Trump and his team a wedge with which they can further convince fence sitters (and dont fool yourselves, not everyone in this country has made up their minds yet) that these cases against him are being brought and prosecuted by people who are corrupt. So much of his schtick is not proving himself incorruptible, but making everyone else look more corrupt than he is. Sowing enough reasonable doubt as to his involvement and painting those opposing him as attacking him personally without sufficent grounds for a real case. And an illicit affair between the DA who brought the case and one of the prosecutors on it? What better example than that to show the bias and inability for these people to behave like professionals, and question whether that lack of professionalism applies to their work as a whole.

Its all optics and narrative, and even with his syphillus-rotted brain Trumps ability to control both should never be underestimated.

Classic concern trolling.

"Y halo thar fellow liberals! We really need to be concerned about this! This is just making Trump stronger! Guess we have to give up or vote for him!"

CableZL posted...

According to Fani Willis, their marriage had been irretrievably broken since 2017 because she cheated on him with his friend, but... either way, we'll see what the judge says later this month.

As the world turns so does the sand in the hourglass

"Public opinion" doesn't matter in this case. Let the MAGAts screech all they like.

sfcalimari posted...

Classic concern trolling.

"Y halo thar fellow liberals! We really need to be concerned about this! This is just making Trump stronger! Guess we have to give up or vote for him!"

More like "I'm kinda sick of our system being shit, maybe we should stop buying into it and remove the corrupt assholes by force" kinda thing.

Horith posted...

More like "I'm kinda sick of our system being shit, maybe we should stop buying into it and remove the corrupt assholes by force" kinda thing.

Both sides, am I right?

Are you guys really going to get trolled into making triple-digit posts by two old-ass accounts that came out of nowhere to post this nonsense? They're not even arguing actual points, just repeating the same bullshit over and over.

CableZL posted...

permanently bans him from the real estate business in New York

Didn't that happen? I thought he and his kids had their business license revoked, and they're basically not allowed to own or operate a business in NY anymore? Was that all speculation?

Most of that news was me listening to podcasts in the background, so I wasn't paying that close attention.

sfcalimari posted...

Both sides, am I right?

Now you're the one trolling. I don't know Horith's posting history, but I fail to see how you are reading their posts that way.

DnDer posted...

Didn't that happen? I thought he and his kids had their business license revoked, and they're basically not allowed to own or operate a business in NY anymore? Was that all speculation?

Most of that news was me listening to podcasts in the background, so I wasn't paying that close attention.

From what I understand it was appealed, but is likely to happen at the end of the trial. I wish they would make it impossible for him to do business in the whole country. He has screwed over so many people throughout his life. He can go work in Russia with his buddy.

Anyone who believes this might just have a case of severe brain rot.

DnDer posted...

Didn't that happen? I thought he and his kids had their business license revoked, and they're basically not allowed to own or operate a business in NY anymore? Was that all speculation?

Most of that news was me listening to podcasts in the background, so I wasn't paying that close attention.

They've been barred from running or serving on the board for charities in New York after they were caught committing charity fraud.