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Horith
02/02/24 3:40:18 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2024/02/02/1224275208/fani-willis-misconduct-nathan-wade-trump-case

Just the suggestion of any impropriety on this case by the DA and the prosecutor gives Trump and the others just what they need to assail the credibility of the entire case and turn public opinion against it. Shit like this completely undermines all the effort people went through to give this case its day in court, and it could all be flushed down the drain because two people, one of them so high up the chain that she should have damn well known better, couldnt maintain professional boundaries.
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ClayGuida
02/02/24 3:40:46 PM
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Why is that?

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bover_87
02/02/24 3:43:02 PM
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What does an affair with someone in her office have to do with trump's case being legit or not? The people who actually care about that shit think it's illegitimate regardless.

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Robot2600
02/02/24 3:47:42 PM
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In a court filing Friday, Willis said the relationship with Nathan Wade, who was hired to work the case in 2021, did not begin until 2022 and allegations that the pair financially benefit from prosecuting the case are "meritless."

Like, sometimes ppl date colleagues? How is this even a thing.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, as long as the relationship happened after he was hired it's a nothingburger.

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Mizznox
02/02/24 3:48:01 PM
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Optics for the MAGA rage chamber don't really matter; from what I understand, legally speaking there's no real merit to the allegations against them. Their relationship didn't begin until after the case had started and Georgia law doesn't consider it a conflict of interest unless there's actual evidence of misconduct.

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Kai_Laguna
02/02/24 3:48:13 PM
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This is a nothingburger, by Georgia law, two lawyers being in a relationship doesn't constitute a conflict of interest.
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CableZL
02/02/24 3:48:35 PM
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The Georgia RICO case is not in jeopardy in the slightest. Nothing in Georgia law forbids relationships between prosecutors or defense attorneys. Jenna Ellis' lawyers in the case are married. Lawyers for Ray Smith and Kenneth Chesebro are also in a relationship.

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Heineken14
02/02/24 3:48:35 PM
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CableZL posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/469b2612.jpg

I think that just about puts the "issue" to rest.



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ItsNotA2Mer
02/02/24 3:50:10 PM
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This doesn't make the Trump case go away, any more than public opinion does.

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Tyranthraxus
02/02/24 3:51:00 PM
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Horith posted...
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/02/1224275208/fani-willis-misconduct-nathan-wade-trump-case

Just the suggestion of any impropriety on this case by the DA and the prosecutor gives Trump and the others just what they need to assail the credibility of the entire case and turn public opinion against it. Shit like this completely undermines all the effort people went through to give this case its day in court, and it could all be flushed down the drain because two people, one of them so high up the chain that she should have damn well known better, couldnt maintain professional boundaries.

I think you're being a little premature

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Horith
02/02/24 3:51:41 PM
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bover_87 posted...
What does an affair with someone in her office have to do with trump's case being legit or not? The people who actually care about that shit think it's illegitimate regardless.

This isnt just someone in her office, its literally one of the prosecutors on the Trump case itself. That blows away a lot of credibility as to impartiality, and gives Trump and his team a wedge with which they can further convince fence sitters (and dont fool yourselves, not everyone in this country has made up their minds yet) that these cases against him are being brought and prosecuted by people who are corrupt. So much of his schtick is not proving himself incorruptible, but making everyone else look more corrupt than he is. Sowing enough reasonable doubt as to his involvement and painting those opposing him as attacking him personally without sufficent grounds for a real case. And an illicit affair between the DA who brought the case and one of the prosecutors on it? What better example than that to show the bias and inability for these people to behave like professionals, and question whether that lack of professionalism applies to their work as a whole.

Its all optics and narrative, and even with his syphillus-rotted brain Trumps ability to control both should never be underestimated.
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darkace77450
02/02/24 3:51:56 PM
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bover_87 posted...
What does an affair with someone in her office have to do with trump's case being legit or not?

What does Hunter Biden selling the appearance of influence to foreign companies have to do with Joe Biden? It doesn't, but the people trying to impeach Joe Biden for it don't care. These people are not acting in good faith. If they can use this as an excuse to impeach her, they will. If they can use it as an excuse to defund the trial, they will.
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creativerealms
02/02/24 3:52:21 PM
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This is a load of nothing.

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HashtagSEP
02/02/24 3:52:44 PM
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This is almost literally nothing.

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CableZL
02/02/24 3:54:13 PM
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Horith posted...
That blows away a lot of credibility as to impartiality
No it doesn't. There are personal relationships between other attorneys on the defense side. It doesn't mean anything at all. Trump supporters making up bullshit doesn't change that fact.

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EPR-radar
02/02/24 3:54:29 PM
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Horith posted...
And an illicit affair between the DA who brought the case and one of the prosecutors on it? What better example than that to show the bias and inability for these people to behave like professionals, and question whether that lack of professionalism applies to their work as a whole.

Its all optics and narrative, and even with his syphillus-rotted brain Trumps ability to control both should never be underestimated.
What illicit affair? These are consenting adults.

It's also true that nobody has come up with even a theory as to how this is an actual conflict of interest.
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CableZL
02/02/24 3:55:19 PM
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Horith posted...
And an illicit affair between the DA who brought the case and one of the prosecutors on it?

I don't think you know what the word illicit means.

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ClayGuida
02/02/24 3:55:55 PM
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Horith posted...
This isnt just someone in her office, its literally one of the prosecutors on the Trump case itself. That blows away a lot of credibility as to impartiality, and gives Trump and his team a wedge with which they can further convince fence sitters (and dont fool yourselves, not everyone in this country has made up their minds yet) that these cases against him are being brought and prosecuted by people who are corrupt. So much of his schtick is not proving himself incorruptible, but making everyone else look more corrupt than he is. Sowing enough reasonable doubt as to his involvement and painting those opposing him as attacking him personally without sufficent grounds for a real case. And an illicit affair between the DA who brought the case and one of the prosecutors on it? What better example than that to show the bias and inability for these people to behave like professionals, and question whether that lack of professionalism applies to their work as a whole.

Its all optics and narrative, and even with his syphillus-rotted brain Trumps ability to control both should never be underestimated.
What are you even talking about? Impartiality? Credibility?

You're either someone who's about to keel over due to the koolaid taking affect or you're someone who's incredibly misguided. What Trumpers think doesn't matter. They don't matter. They're not the law. They're not the arbiter of reason. They won't ever support anything negative happening to Trump, and a majority of them don't even think Trump lost the election.

Putting your eggs in their basket is incredibly stupid on your part.

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Irony
02/02/24 3:56:09 PM
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Dumb topics sigless users make

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/02/24 3:56:47 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
It's also true that nobody has come up with even a theory as to how this is an actual conflict of interest.

The TC is trying hard to convince you. Is it working?

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ArchonKnight
02/02/24 3:57:55 PM
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A grand jury decided to indict, not just Willis' team. The evidence is there to pursue the facts and this relationship has nothing to do with that.

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EPR-radar
02/02/24 3:59:46 PM
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ItsNotA2Mer posted...
The TC is trying hard to convince you. Is it working?
Not in the least.
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Euripides
02/02/24 4:04:10 PM
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Willis can just pass the case off to another prosecutor


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CableZL
02/02/24 4:04:33 PM
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Euripides posted...
Willis can just pass the case off to another prosecutor
There's no reason for her to do that.

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Euripides
02/02/24 4:10:26 PM
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CableZL posted...
There's no reason for her to do that.

No, but I'm saying that if the Trump team somehow presses the issue, there's no reason for the whole case to go away. You just change the prosecutors and keep going


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CyrusV
02/02/24 4:11:26 PM
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The case isn't going anywhere. This is just another delay tactic.

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EPR-radar
02/02/24 4:12:28 PM
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Euripides posted...
No, but I'm saying that if the Trump team somehow presses the issue, there's no reason for the whole case to go away. You just change the prosecutors and keep going
No. You don't give an inch to subhuman Trump supporters, because then they will just keep on taking.

If this turns into a real issue (so far it hasn't) then, yes, do what makes sense.
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Starks
02/02/24 4:13:37 PM
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There is no justice in getting off on a technicality.

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Questionmarktarius
02/02/24 4:13:50 PM
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creativerealms posted...
This is a load of nothing.
take a load off Fani?

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EPR-radar
02/02/24 4:14:09 PM
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CyrusV posted...
The case isn't going anywhere. This is just another delay tactic.
This.

Why the fucking courts haven't labeled Trump as a vexatious litigant and required a court appointed minder to pre-approve every lawsuit (or motion) he files is impossible to understand.
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Horith
02/02/24 4:22:55 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
What does Hunter Biden selling the appearance of influence to foreign companies have to do with Joe Biden? It doesn't, but the people trying to impeach Joe Biden for it don't care. These people are not acting in good faith. If they can use this as an excuse to impeach her, they will. If they can use it as an excuse to defund the trial, they will.

Well at least one person gets it. Somehow people still seem to have faith in the impartiality of a justice system that has never, not once, ever been impartial in this country.

Irony posted...
Dumb topics sigless users make

Theres a lot of legit criticism for my cynical take in this topic. Yeah, this could absolutely be nothing and Im just paranoid that Trump will skate by on technicalities again (I get that this case is bagging a lot of people beyond Trump, which is great, but if he gets through unharmed it still means it wasnt good enough).

But because I removed my sig a few years and havent bothered to make a new one? Thats what you go with? Thats a weaker attack than the one being used against the Atlanta DA.

ClayGuida posted...
What are you even talking about? Impartiality? Credibility?

You're either someone who's about to keel over due to the koolaid taking affect or you're someone who's incredibly misguided. What Trumpers think doesn't matter. They don't matter. They're not the law. They're not the arbiter of reason. They won't ever support anything negative happening to Trump, and a majority of them don't even think Trump lost the election.

Putting your eggs in their basket is incredibly stupid on your part.

How about the Georgia state House/Senate? You think their opinions, the people that have a lot more power to call the legitimacy of this case into question, dont matter? You dont think this may provide them the excuse they need to swoop in and stall this case, even if they cant stop it long enough to get past the election?

Because we all know Trumps supporters dont exist in state government levels. Its not like the GOP didnt spent years cultivating benches for state elections with the expressed intent of gaining control of the legislatures to allow their corruption to be waved away. Like cmon, youre acting like there isnt a chance in hell Trump will skate free of this case, when all he has to do is make it to the election.
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thronedfire2
02/02/24 4:29:15 PM
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bover_87 posted...
What does an affair with someone in her office have to do with trump's case being legit or not? The people who actually care about that shit think it's illegitimate regardless.

it doesn't. it's not like she was sleeping with a defendant

Horith posted...
This isnt just someone in her office, its literally one of the prosecutors on the Trump case itself. That blows away a lot of credibility as to impartiality, and gives Trump and his team a wedge with which they can further convince fence sitters (and dont fool yourselves, not everyone in this country has made up their minds yet) that these cases against him are being brought and prosecuted by people who are corrupt. So much of his schtick is not proving himself incorruptible, but making everyone else look more corrupt than he is. Sowing enough reasonable doubt as to his involvement and painting those opposing him as attacking him personally without sufficent grounds for a real case. And an illicit affair between the DA who brought the case and one of the prosecutors on it? What better example than that to show the bias and inability for these people to behave like professionals, and question whether that lack of professionalism applies to their work as a whole.

Its all optics and narrative, and even with his syphillus-rotted brain Trumps ability to control both should never be underestimated.

why would a prosecutor have to be impartial?

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CableZL
02/02/24 5:03:48 PM
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Prosecutors are supposed to be partial, same for defense attorneys.

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snake1989
02/02/24 5:04:28 PM
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A lot of people in here downplaying how bad this actually is. This issue arose in Wade's divorce case well before Republicans filed their own motion, and tbh the DA and prosecutor seem like absolute scumbags.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/19/fani-willis-travel-paid-nathan-wade-trump-georgia-case

Willis and Wade claim their relationship started in 2022. However, they had been working together since 2019, and Wade's ex-wife has a strong claim that Wade and Willis were having an affair during that time. On November 1st 2021, Wade was appointed by Willis to the Trump case. He then filed for divorce from his wife the next day, November 2nd, and requested the record to be sealed, and attempted to conceal his massive increase in income during those divorce proceedings. When DA Willis was called in for a deposition as the paramour in this case, she then threatened his ex-wife with a legal motion to hamper the case, claiming Wade's ex-wife was using the "the civil discovery process to annoy, embarrass and oppress District Attorney Willis" (LOLOLOLOL)

This looks like two cheating scumbags using their knowledge of the law to try to cover their own asses. And Trump will walk because of it.

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Euripides
02/02/24 5:04:38 PM
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CableZL posted...
Prosecutors are supposed to be partial, same for defense attorneys.

Trump gets very made about judges/prosecutors who were elected as Democrats (UNFAIR!!!) but seems to think that Republican judges/prosecutors are completely fair and impartial

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Unsuprised_Pika
02/02/24 5:06:02 PM
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Mizznox posted...
Optics for the MAGA rage chamber don't really matter; from what I understand, legally speaking there's no real merit to the allegations against them. Their relationship didn't begin until after the case had started and Georgia law doesn't consider it a conflict of interest unless there's actual evidence of misconduct.

Yup.

Plus putting in someone based on relationship rather them merit would actually BENIFIT Trump if it was anywhere near as bad as he says because that would make the case against him weaker.

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/02/24 5:07:21 PM
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snake1989 posted...
A lot of people in here downplaying how bad this actually is.

This looks like two cheating scumbags using their knowledge of the law to try to cover their own asses. And Trump will walk because of it.

You're trying very hard to draw a correlation that doesn't exist.

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CableZL
02/02/24 5:08:54 PM
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I could see it being an issue if there was a personal romantic relationship between judge and prosecutor/defense attorney or between prosecutor and defense attorney. A relationship between prosecutors or between defense attorneys is a non-issue.

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Euripides
02/02/24 5:09:00 PM
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ItsNotA2Mer posted...
You're trying very hard to draw a correlation that doesn't exist.

Yeah, this is the same logic as "Bill Clinton was an invalid president because he lied about a blowjob". One has nothing to do with the other

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Unsuprised_Pika
02/02/24 5:09:20 PM
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snake1989 posted...
A lot of people in here downplaying how bad this actually is. This issue arose in Wade's divorce case well before Republicans filed their own motion, and tbh the DA and prosecutor seem like absolute scumbags.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/19/fani-willis-travel-paid-nathan-wade-trump-georgia-case

Willis and Wade claim their relationship started in 2022. However, they had been working together since 2019, and Wade's ex-wife has a strong claim that Wade and Willis were having an affair during that time. On November 1st 2021, Wade was appointed by Willis to the Trump case. He then filed for divorce from his wife the next day, November 2nd, and requested the record to be sealed, and attempted to conceal his massive increase in income during those divorce proceedings. When DA Willis was called in for a deposition as the paramour in this case, she then threatened his ex-wife with a legal motion to hamper the case, claiming Wade's ex-wife was using the "the civil discovery process to annoy, embarrass and oppress District Attorney Willis" (LOLOLOLOL)

This looks like two cheating scumbags using their knowledge of the law to try to cover their own asses. And Trump will walk because of it.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/unsealed-divorce-documents-do-not-mention-fulton-county-da-fani-willis

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snake1989
02/02/24 5:10:29 PM
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ItsNotA2Mer posted...
You're trying very hard to draw a correlation that doesn't exist.
Pardon? If the case gets covered in a cloud of controversy, that benefits Trump. These two chucklefucks decided to pull this stunt as soon as they got the case, and the case is now going to be wrapped up in this divorce proceeding too.

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/02/24 5:11:55 PM
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snake1989 posted...
Pardon? If the case gets covered in a cloud of controversy, that benefits Trump. These two chucklefucks decided to pull this stunt as soon as they got the case, and the case is now going to be wrapped up in this divorce proceeding too.

You're trying very hard to draw a correlation that doesn't exist.

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CableZL
02/02/24 5:12:05 PM
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snake1989 posted...
Pardon? If the case gets covered in a cloud of controversy, that benefits Trump. These two chucklefucks decided to pull this stunt as soon as they got the case, and the case is now going to be wrapped up in this divorce proceeding too.

Trump invents controversy at every turn. It didn't matter in the 1st E. Jean Carroll sex abuse/defamation lawsuit. It didn't matter in her second lawsuit. It hasn't mattered in the NY civil fraud trial.

Trump's perceived grievances aren't reality.

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snake1989
02/02/24 5:14:17 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/unsealed-divorce-documents-do-not-mention-fulton-county-da-fani-willis
Correct, Willis is not mentioned in the original filing documents. She is mentioned in the documents filed later, by Wade's ex-wife, after she discovered Willis' involvement. Which you can read in the Guardian link I posted.

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Cory898
02/02/24 5:14:20 PM
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Impropriety was suggested weeks ago. Why is this an omg thing now?

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CableZL
02/02/24 5:14:34 PM
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Trump was asked if he plans to use campaign funds to pay the penalties from the defamation suit and the possible penalties civil fraud trial. He has an $83.3 million judgement against him in the most recent defamation trial. Trump's response was "what penalties?" and he started blathering on about how he has mostly won the civil fraud trial in the court of appeals.

Trump is divorced from reality and his idiocy doesn't change what actually happened.

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snake1989
02/02/24 5:19:41 PM
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CableZL posted...
Trump invents controversy at every turn. It didn't matter in the 1st E. Jean Carroll sex abuse/defamation lawsuit. It didn't matter in her second lawsuit. It hasn't mattered in the NY civil fraud trial.

Trump's perceived grievances aren't reality.
Okay? Trump invents controversy at every turn, I agree. So a DA and prosecutor assigned to that case probably shouldn't be trying to use their position of power in the legal system to try to fuck over the prosecutor's ex-wife immediately after getting assigned that case, which they seem have done. There's no question that their behavior has done damage to the process here.

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snake1989
02/02/24 5:23:32 PM
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ItsNotA2Mer posted...
You're trying very hard to draw a correlation that doesn't exist.
What correlation do you think I'm drawing? I legit don't think I'm understanding you

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CableZL
02/02/24 5:25:38 PM
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snake1989 posted...
Okay? Trump invents controversy at every turn, I agree. So a DA and prosecutor assigned to that case probably shouldn't be trying to use their position of power in the legal system to try to fuck over the prosecutor's ex-wife immediately after getting assigned that case, which they seem have done. There's no question that their behavior has done damage to the process here.

You're trying to conflate "invented controversy" with "damage to the process." What evidence is there that "A DA and prosecutor assigned to that case used their position of power in the legal system to try to fuck over the prosecutor's ex wife?"

We'll have to see what the judge says in the hearing later this month, but Fani Willis isn't mentioned at all in the unsealed divorce documents. All this just seems like more defamation attempts like what they did to Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss.

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