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Spiritlittle posted...

Remember - voting third party is throwing away your vote.

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Will_VIIII posted...

What's asinine is the claim that Biden is commiting genocide

If he's supplying arms to people who are doing so then he's an accomplice.

uwnim posted...

First past the post voting with a 2-party status quo means other parties are not real options.

Yeah, but like, if we just DON'T vote then the democrats will realize their mistakes and change all of them and in the meantime we won't be regressing at a rapid pace completely butt fucking anything we want to actually change or improve due to republicans.

SecretBase posted...

If he's supplying arms to people who are doing so then he's an accomplice.

Or he does nothing and the other side gets attacked and his indifference would be called out in the same way.

I can honestly see this election going either way. Lets hope for the best.

Bleuets posted...

I can honestly see this election going either way. Lets hope for the best.

Thanks for that stellar analysis, John Madden.

Heineken14 posted...

Thanks for that stellar analysis, John Madden.

We all know what side they support

Biden's inaction (and funding) when it comes to the genocide of Palestinians is asinine to speak about
but voters inaction due to not supporting either candidate is crucifiable.

Ronaldo posted...

Biden's inaction (and funding) when it comes to the genocide of Palestinians is asinine to speak about
but voters inaction due to not supporting either candidate is crucifiable.

You're not concerned with Project 2025.

oh boy another topic where righteous and moral posters offer reasons why both candidates are equally as bad

and pretend project 2025 doesnt exist

Heineken14 posted...

Yeah, but like, if we just DON'T vote then the democrats will realize their mistakes and change all of them and in the meantime we won't be regressing at a rapid pace completely butt fucking anything we want to actually change or improve due to republicans.

This is a pretty accurate summary of how ridiculous so many people on the left are right now, and it's really disappointing to see so many eating up the bullshit pushed by those wanting us to believe both sides are the same because of Israel when unregulated energy use is destroying any hope for the future of society. But let's throw it all on the line because certain people on the left care more about a conflict that's been ongoing since WWII only at a time when we have a level-headed leader in power, and people in the middle eat up crap that our economy is less stable than under Trump.

Will_VIIII posted...

You're not concerned with Project 2025.

Please discuss project 2025 for those voting for Trump. Thank you.

Ronaldo posted...

Please discuss project 2025 for those voting for Trump. Thank you.

You're enabling it which isn't much better

Ronaldo posted...

Please discuss project 2025 for those voting for Trump. Thank you.

It will happen if Trump wins. Anything thats not a vote for Biden makes Trump winning more likely.

I will discuss project 2025 with anyone who thinks voting for Biden isnt important. Thank you.

Must feel silly turning a blind eye or downplaying the role of the US president in the ongoing genocide of Palestinians then say I am enabling Project 2025 by not voting for Trump.

Ronaldo posted...

Must feel silly turning a blind eye or downplaying the role of the US president in the ongoing genocide of Palestinians then say I am enabling Project 2025 by not voting for Trump.

Not voting at all is literally enabling him. If you live in a swing state, there's just no excuse to not vote unless you're complicit with the continued downfall of society.

Ronaldo posted...

Must feel silly turning a blind eye or downplaying the role of the US president in the ongoing genocide of Palestinians then say I am enabling Project 2025 by not voting for Trump.

Ok so who are you voting for then? The only people who are going to win this election are Trump or Biden.

Not voting means one of them still wins.

Ronaldo posted...

Please discuss project 2025 for those voting for Trump. Thank you.

They are.

I don't live in a swing state. And it would be a real bad time for you people if you held yourselves to the same standards when it comes to other issues. Anyway, thank you for your time. I recommend focusing more energy on those voting for Trump. Goodbye.

Ronaldo posted...

Must feel silly turning a blind eye or downplaying the role of the US president in the ongoing genocide of Palestinians then say I am enabling Project 2025 by not voting for Trump.

As long as you are fine with your morals turning a blind eye to helping Trump getting re-elected and making things WORSE for not only the Palestinians you claim to support but now Americans as well.

Isreal wants orange idiot in office to make it easier for them to kill Palestinians.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/far-right-israel-minister-suggests-trump-would-give-more-us-support-to-gaza-offensive/ar-BB1hLpgL

Ronaldo posted...

I don't live in a swing state. And it would be a real bad time for you people if you held yourselves to the same standards when it comes to other issues. Anyway, thank you for your time. I recommend focusing more energy on those voting for Trump. Goodbye.

Great to hear you don't live in a swing state at least. I think it really helps clarifying anytime someone says they're abstaining, even though you may likely still be allowing the House and Senate to make things worse for our country (and also those that suffer as a result of our country's unregulated behaviors). But what standard should I hold myself to with other issues when the ones I care most about are the ones that threaten society's continued state of existence and make all other issues moot?

The swing state thing makes no sense anyway.

There'll be local, county, and state level referendums on the ballot

Will_VIIII posted...

The swing state thing makes no sense anyway.

There'll be local, county, and state level referendums on the ballot

And I'm sure people had that same attitude in, say, 2020 in Georgia. Turns out, turning out works.

rexcrk posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e9ce67cd.jpg

*Doesnt vote in the primary*
*Primary election picks candiates that you dont like*
*20% of the country decide what 100% of the country will be voting on*
*Dont for in the general elections despite there being literally hundreds of mini elections being ignored*

I will never forgive Simpsons or South Park spreading misinformation about how election works.

Will_VIIII posted...

The swing state thing makes no sense anyway.

There'll be local, county, and state level referendums on the ballot

Those are obviously important too and have a collective impact that shouldnt be undermined, but I think its especially important to emphasize the repercussions of elections at the federal level right now, considering that the outcome in this country largely determines the course the rest of the world takes in matters that will likely determine whether or not humanity can even survive in mass numbers. These issues being climate change, nuclear war, and rising authoritarianism/fascism/nationalism across the world.

Heineken14 posted...

And I'm sure people had that same attitude in, say, 2020 in Georgia. Turns out, turning out works.

I consider a swing state to be any one that has any remotely realistic chance of flipping (probably doesn't apply to me in Missouri, but I still plan to cast an all-Democrat ballot in November). Also, people voting in non-swing states help in shifting the tides of the state so that it can eventually favor the other party.

Are the people refusing to vote this election because of the Israel Palestine conflict lifelong abstainers?

The US has always supported Israel. Biden is not doing anything significantly different in that regard than any president has, so idk why THIS is the one election where they decide support of Israel is a total no-go.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Are the people refusing to vote this election because of the Israel Palestine conflict lifelong abstainers?

The US has always supported Israel. Biden is not doing anything significantly different in that regard than any president has, so idk why THIS is the one election where they decide support of Israel is a total no-go.

They're grasping because their orange cult leader is excavating the bottom of the barrel

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Are the people refusing to vote this election because of the Israel Palestine conflict lifelong abstainers?

The US has always supported Israel. Biden is not doing anything significantly different in that regard than any president has, so idk why THIS is the one election where they decide support of Israel is a total no-go.

Right. It's been this way for like 80 years now with all administrations. Agree with it or not but it's still laughable to cry genocide and not vote against an actual rapist(as a judge has clarified) who continues to paraphrase Hitler.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Are the people refusing to vote this election because of the Israel Palestine conflict lifelong abstainers?

The US has always supported Israel. Biden is not doing anything significantly different in that regard than any president has, so idk why THIS is the one election where they decide support of Israel is a total no-go.

They are misinformed. They dont even realize that Democrat presidents supported the two-state solutions was not enabling everything Bibi did.

Meanwhile and Replubcians are Anti-Arab and Pro-Israel. They will lock step with Israel, not give two **** about Palestine. On top of that, they will add immigration bans to make even harder for people screwed over by the war to come to America.

Rexdragon125 posted...

And if you gave a shit about genocide you'd realize the guy admitting to wanting to be a dictator and plagiarizes Hitler speeches will probably actually commit genocide

It is a flaw in their logic yes. Both support genocide, but only one wants to extend that genocise to more minorities and is an open fascist.

I'm not sure what they think will be achieved by helping someone who wants to remove their rights, and add them to the genocide being supported.

Yeah, Biden and Starmer (in the UK) suck but the only alternative is significantly worse.

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They're the ones complaining about Biden's "genocide" and are "abstaining" or voting 3rd party

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im pretty sure most of the Trump votes in the poll are just troll votes.

Im way more interested in the people throwing their vote away that ARE replying here

I want to be very clear that I wish we had ranked choice voting and actual viable 3rd party options but until then it's pretty obvious that voting against Project 2025 and all that is the logical and moral option.

I mean we lost Roe V Wade and continue to see the consequences of that. They told us they were going to repeal it for decades and delivered on it. Why shouldn't we take them at their word when it comes to project 2025?

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I was say without question, yes.

But none have directly said it, because no one on here can articulate WHY they are voting for him again in any logical manner.

Heineken14 posted...

I was say without question, yes.

But none have directly said it, because no one on here can articulate WHY they are voting for him again in any logical manner.

Voting for a fascist rise to own the libs

Will_VIIII posted...

I want to be very clear that I wish we had ranked choice voting and actual viable 3rd party options but until then it's pretty obvious that voting against Project 2025 and all that is the logical and moral option.

That can be fixed if people start voting down-ballot and request for it. It already happen in Maine. It can easily be implemented in a quite few states.

But people think that not voting will solve this issue.

Bernie > Biden > Nimarata > the Drumpf

Will_VIIII posted...

I want to be very clear that I wish we had ranked choice voting and actual viable 3rd party options but until then it's pretty obvious that voting against Project 2025 and all that is the logical and moral option.

I mean we lost Roe V Wade and continue to see the consequences of that. They told us they were going to repeal it for decades and delivered on it. Why shouldn't we take them at their word when it comes to project 2025?

Project 2025 is unfortunately likely to succeed at some point. They can just keep it around until a Republican becomes president. It will be nearly impossible to keep them out of office forever.

At best it locks us into two party rule where Democrats can pick whomever they want because if the Republican wins they'll attempt to make it a dictatorship. The Democrats will likely slip up and pick a candidate who is less electable than the Republican. At worst it'll become one party rule, if Republicans can never get in again, with the Democrats picking whomever because they don't have to worry about the Republican opposition. Something will need to change

And that's another reason some independents don't care. They don't want to put off the inevitable. They want to get it over with so the solutions can come faster.

Biden at his absolute worst would be infinitely preferrable to Trump.

SecretBase posted...

And that's another reason some independents don't care. They don't want to put off the inevitable. They want to get it over with so the solutions can come faster.

Yeah, those people are fucking idiots.

Accelerationism is stupid as fuck.

Heineken14 posted...

Accelerationism is stupid as fuck.

And is driven by white nationalist domestic terrorists, not "independants".

SecretBase posted...

And that's another reason some independents don't care. They don't want to put off the inevitable. They want to get it over with so the solutions can come faster.

lmao thats one of the dumbest things ive ever heard.

yeah maybe a dictator will happen eventuallyso lets just make it happen for sure right now. This is a good and rational idea i think

blue42972 posted...

Biden is senile and isn't doing much for the country now. Say what you want about Trump, but the economy was stronger in 2017-2019 than it has been in the last 3 years.

woah a trump alt in the flesh. Please give me more eye opening political advice.