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So a fairly good president with some bad ideas thats bad at messaging versus a wannabe fascist cult leader only running to avoid court cases?

K181 posted...

So a fairly good president with some bad ideas thats bad at messaging versus a wannabe fascist cult leader only running to avoid court cases?

It truly is same thing, both sides!

Ehh. Trump winning is like Hitler getting to be President. Biden, Hilary and many would have to deliberately try to be that bad.

can DToast please just open up the politics board again? it's damn near usurped half of CE!

Naysaspace posted...

can DToast please just open up the politics board again? it's damn near usurped half of CE!

Or if nothing else, a politics forum named something less direct. Maybe The Pub?

I vote for Bernie again.

Kai_Laguna posted...

I vote for Bernie again.

Bernie would be disappointed in you not understanding how elections work.

Spiritlittle posted...

Remember - voting third party is throwing away your vote.

Voting for people you literally don't want to be president also is.

SecretBase posted...

Voting for people you literally don't want to be president also is.

No it isn't.

I think the poll results should enlighten some people here; currently less than 10% of users even jokingly voted for Trump in this poll. You wouldn't know it from all the topics trying to argue with that illusory fraction.

Heineken14 posted...

No it isn't.

From the individual's perspective it is. Whether I influenced the result or not is irrelevant if I didn't want either result.

SecretBase posted...

From the individual's perspective it is. Whether I influenced the result or not is irrelevant if I didn't want either result.

The individual is a moron.

No third party stands a chance against Trump. Please pinch your nose and vote against the fascist kthx

Cemith posted...

The individual is a moron.

No third party stands a chance against Trump. Please pinch your nose and vote against the fascist kthx

Why is a non-fascist unable to beat a fascist on his own merits? He should be able to win with just his own genuine supporters, not needing people who absolutely despise him to also vote for him.

SecretBase posted...

Why is a non-fascist unable to beat a fascist on his own merits? He should be able to win with just his own genuine supporters, not needing people who absolutely despise him to also vote for him.

The fact you're fine with a fascist winning is pretty telling.

SecretBase posted...

Why is a non-fascist unable to beat a fascist on his own merits? He should be able to win with just his own genuine supporters, not needing people who absolutely despise him to also vote for him.

Because the individual is an idiot. I've already said this. Otherwise reasonable people are completely brainwashed because they run Fox News all day.

It isn't necessarily that Biden can't win on his own merits, it's that he's literally up against a cult leader so it's kind of a "all hands on deck" situation.

Heineken14 posted...

The fact you're fine with a fascist winning is pretty telling.

You're dodging the question and also drifting beyond the scope of the discussion. The subject is the value of a major party vote vs. a third party vote. I'm simply presenting the argument as to why third partiers see things differently and why they cannot be swayed by "you're throwing your vote away" messaging.

They would sooner flush their ballot down the toilet literally than use it to sign off on the major parties retaining power.

A vote for Biden is a vote for the status quo, it may not be as immediate as another Trump term, but it still leads to life getting worse for everyone. So, as slim as it is, I'll still try reaching for a candidate that might lead to a better future like Bernie or AOC.

Kai_Laguna posted...

A vote for Biden is a vote for the status quo, it may not be as immediate as another Trump term, but it still leads to life getting worse for everyone. So, as slim as it is, I'll still try reaching for a candidate that might lead to a better future like Bernie or AOC.

No other candidate will win their respective primaries.

Cemith posted...

It isn't necessarily that Biden can't win on his own merits, it's that he's literally up against a cult leader so it's kind of a "all hands on deck" situation.

SecretBase posted...

You're dodging the question and also drifting beyond the scope of the discussion. The subject is the value of a major party vote vs. a third party vote. I'm simply presenting the argument as to why third partiers see things differently and why they cannot be swayed by "you're throwing your vote away" messaging.

They would sooner flush their ballot down the toilet literally than use it to sign off on the major parties retaining power.

Then those people are fucking idiots.

When you vote for Biden "because he's not Trump", you're also voting for the situation of only having Republicans or Democrats. Literally the only thing stopping other candidates from winning is people being stubborn about considering other options.

Kai_Laguna posted...

A vote for Biden is a vote for the status quo, it may not be as immediate as another Trump term, but it still leads to life getting worse for everyone. So, as slim as it is, I'll still try reaching for a candidate that might lead to a better future like Bernie or AOC.

It's not a slim chance. It's not even a 0 chance. It's a negative chance because it WONT happen and it instead helps out something FAR worse.

If it was AOC vs Trump, would you want people to vote for AOC or whatever is in their heart?

I'm voting against this
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/13ae4174.jpg

Guess we're doing this again.

If you do not vote for Biden between him and Trump, you are complicit in a fascist rise for the sake of self righteous moral dessert.

End of story.

Biden.

I bet this board would love to see a wrastlin match between these two covered in oil

everyone can vote how they like, its their vote, not yours

R1masher posted...

everyone can vote how they like, its their vote, not yours

Nobody said they couldn't. We are also free to criticize someone's shit vote for Donnie.

Heineken14 posted...

Nobody said they couldn't. We are also free to criticize someone's shit vote for Donnie.

This.

But also, if you vote for Trump you are supporting Project 2025, which is unacceptable and will be the end of our democracy.

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Yep. A third candidate that's better than both would be great, if said person had a huge shot at winning.

But as is, it's basically well choosing a stable job over a very costly lottery ticket that the chances of winning are beyond slim. Only stakes are much higher than merely losing.

And sometimes the best way for improvement is taking the small steps.

R1masher posted...

everyone can vote how they like, its their vote, not yours

I definitely see vibes like that everywhere these days.

Antiyonder posted...

Yep. A third candidate that's better than both would be great, if said person had a huge shot at winning.

But as is, it's basically well choosing a stable job over a very costly lottery ticket that the chances of winning are beyond slim. Only stakes are much higher than merely losing.

And sometimes the best way for improvement is taking the small steps.

Not only that, but we saw with the 2020 election that fucking Gary Johnson was the reason Clinton lost and we had round 1 of Trump.

All third party candidates should drop out and support Biden. We cannot have razor-thin margins.

I am very much not looking forward to seeing a dozen of these topics a week from now until November.

R1masher posted...

everyone can vote how they like, its their vote, not yours

Sure and any of you passed at how Covid turned out, well even with Hilary or it happening in the first year of the 2010s or 2000s would have been more minimal to being something that happened within one year VS bring a long running issue.

And I believe that regardless of voting preferences in 2016, Covid being a problem for anyone outside the 1% is a full-blown fact proving that sometimes you have to play ball to win at life.

Or to put it another way, turning the other cheek didn't work out well for Peter Parker.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I am very much not looking forward to seeing a dozen of these topics a week from now until November.

3-4 topics every day a new poll gets released. Gonna be great.

I made the decision not to vote this election cycle. I can't in good conscience vote for a politician I don't truly support.

At the very least, I'd hate to see people abstain from voting only to later complain about another Trump term.

Because yeah, I'd argue one reason why many people try very hard to promote inclusiveness is due to 2016's outcome.

Heineken14 posted...

Bernie would be disappointed in you not understanding how elections work.

Bernie would be disappointed in most North Americans not knowing that there are actual options. Case in point, America. If you don't like the democrats or the republicans, there are independent runners. Course the main parties usually get the most airtime which make people forget that.

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I'm not sure if you're talking the Pro-3rd party votes or not, but at the very least if the choice came down to Republicans, not sure.

Nixon for example is probably the second worst in vein of Trump, but his choice to let things go demonstrated that he does care about the country. At the very least, a Republican would need to be someone who cares about friends, family and such more than say hating any foreigner.

Have a rich celebrity create a 3rd Party and have that party be more popular than the other two put together.

Spiritlittle posted...

Not only that, but we saw with the 2016 election that fucking Gary Johnson was the reason Clinton lost and we had round 1 of Trump.

In 2020, Biden actually won the Electorlal College BECAUSE of a third-party candidate, who hurt Trump. Specifically, Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/525321-does-joe-biden-owe-his-win-to-jo-jorgensen/amp/

If Jo Jorgensen did not run, then Trump likely would have won the Electoral College, despite losing the popular vote by over six million.

Ronaldo posted...

I made the decision not to vote this election cycle. I can't in good conscience vote for a politician I don't truly support.

So you're not concerned with
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Ivany2008 posted...

Bernie would be disappointed in most North Americans not knowing that there are actual options. Case in point, America. If you don't like the democrats or the republicans, there are independent runners. Course the main parties usually get the most airtime which make people forget that.

And so when no one gets 270 votes and it goes to the house and they elect trump. What then?