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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 10:48:26 AM #1: |
Hey, let's give this cat thing good physical attack but garbage special
Let's also have both of its STAB types be special. And the only good physical moves it gets are Slash and Shadow Ball. Why >_> --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GranAures 02/09/24 10:49:16 AM #2: |
You described way too much of the gen 1-3 dex.
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 10:50:09 AM #3: |
GranAures posted...
You described way too much of the gen 1-3 dex.It blows my mind that ghost is physical and dark is special. It would help a lot of pokemon to switch those types until gen 4 --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 02/09/24 10:50:33 AM #4: |
Its crazy it took them 4 gens to sort out the Phys/Special split
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Ivynn 02/09/24 10:50:42 AM #5: |
Please stop getting your accounts Warned, Neon. Every time it happens, an angel loses its wings.
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Phantom_Nook 02/09/24 10:51:33 AM #6: |
a lot of the new johto mons were bad single stages that needed evos in later gens to be good.
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 10:51:36 AM #7: |
Ivynn posted...
Please stop getting your accounts Warned, Neon. Every time it happens, an angel loses its wings.My last 4? moderations were from describing dicks in too much detail >_> I'm trying to reel it back and not get modded, but sometimes I just can't help talking about cocks. I love the dick. --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 10:52:25 AM #8: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
a lot of the new johto mons were bad single stages that needed evos in later gens to be good.Yeah. The only stellar pokemon from gen 2 that was easy to get (aka no trading bullshit) was Houndoom iirc. All the others were mediocre or bad >_> --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 02/09/24 10:53:34 AM #9: |
There was no reason why Dark was Special and Ghost was Physical back then. They should have been swapped around.
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Phantom_Nook 02/09/24 10:53:58 AM #10: |
NeonBoobs posted...
Yeah. The only stellar pokemon from gen 2 that was easy to get (aka no trading bullshit) was Houndoom iirc. All the others were mediocre or bad >_>and you couldn't get Houndour until after beating the E4. --- currently waiting for my turn in Master Duel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 02/09/24 10:54:05 AM #11: |
Most Gen 2 additions are just trash. Slow, incomplete and some garbage movepools. Even the cool ones are often post game. Gen 2 just sucks in general
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 10:55:00 AM #12: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
and you couldn't get Houndour until after beating the E4.Oh fuck, you're right. Why are the gen 2 games so fucked up like that lol. --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mystereave 02/09/24 10:58:13 AM #14: |
NeonBoobs posted... Yeah. The only stellar pokemon from gen 2 that was easy to get (aka no trading bullshit) was Houndoom iirc. All the others were mediocre or bad >_> Even then, Houndour could only be found in Kanto in GSC, so you couldn't even use it until about 80% of the way through the game. Honestly, Gen 2 seemed pretty scared of its new Pokemon not being well-received, what with many of them being hidden in obscure areas or Kanto, and gym leaders not even using new Pokemon of their types. Only half of the Johto gym leaders even have a Johto Pokemon on their team. Hell, Morty has two Gastly rather than a Misdreavus. There's also both a bug and a fighting gym, AND a fighting Elite 4 members, and not one of them uses Heracross. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TMOG 02/09/24 11:02:07 AM #15: |
I think the reasoning for Ghost being Physical back in the day was that it was intended to be a counter to the Psychic type, which always had a huge Special stat. This was kind of a pointless idea though since prior to GSC the only non-fixed-damage Ghost move was Lick, which was 20 base power, thus absolutely useless for any other purpose than trying to get a paralyze in. And by the time better Ghost moves were added like Shadow Ball, the Special stat had been split anyway. No idea what the rationale was for making Dark a Special type, though, since literally all of the moves were physical in theme, the two biggest top-of-my-head examples being Bite and Crunch. Just didn't make any sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 11:03:19 AM #16: |
What's funny is that literally every dark type move that existed in gen 2 and 3 were turned into physical moves lol
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Charged151 02/09/24 11:03:56 AM #17: |
Phantom_Nook posted...
and you couldn't get Houndour until after beating the E4.Yeah...locking non-Legends Johto Pokmon to the post-game in Kanto always felt like a scummy move. HGSS kinda remedied some of it, but locking Houndour behind the Safari Zone and its weird mechanics wasn't enough in my opinion. Misdreavus and Larvitar have it the worst though. You don't even get these Johto Pokmon until 5-10 minutes from beating Red. Crystal added Larvitar to the Celadon Game Corner...but both really should have been obtainable before the Elite Four. NeonBoobs posted... What's funny is that literally every dark type move that existed in gen 2 and 3 were turned into physical moves lolThat is funny. Guess Game Freak finally corrected their mistake. --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tripleh213 02/09/24 11:04:57 AM #18: |
Yea Neon is hard to keep track of lol
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kingdrake2 02/09/24 11:24:24 AM #19: |
Ivynn posted...
Please stop getting your accounts Warned, Neon i'm tempted to post the he-man hot dog picture. but then mod's will say that it looks like dick but it isn't. also to note. mods are mad dogging every chance they can get so they could put them in the penalty box ASAP. --- beware of shere khan (fall guys) currently playing: Asdivine Menace (ps4) Kemco game. on the road to trails to azure ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pazzy 02/09/24 11:25:35 AM #20: |
GranAures posted... You described way too much of the gen 1-3 dex.For real. That special / physical split was a godsend. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeCh0nk 02/09/24 11:56:40 AM #21: |
Did you just watch Scott's Thoughts sneasel solo stream?
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Touch 02/09/24 11:58:34 AM #22: |
NeonBoobs posted...
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Kimbos_Egg 02/09/24 11:59:07 AM #23: |
weavile is my favorite pokemon.
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uwnim 02/09/24 12:03:59 PM #24: |
Skarmory is like one of the few Gen 2 Pokmon that didnt suck.
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IceCreamOnStero 02/09/24 12:04:27 PM #25: |
NeonBoobs posted...
Oh fuck, you're right. Why are the gen 2 games so fucked up like that lol.Its fairly well documented that the games didn't have the best development cycle and they was a lot of hacking around to make it work. Gen 3 was when the games got the polish that reflected how big of a success it was. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lordgold666 02/09/24 12:08:23 PM #26: |
NeonBoobs posted...
My last 4? moderations were from describing dicks in too much detail >_> I'm trying to reel it back and not get modded, but sometimes I just can't help talking about cocks. I love the dick.Lol --- "May the Father of Understanding guide you." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Touch 02/09/24 12:10:37 PM #27: |
My one saving grace from gen 2 and physical ghost typing: Curselax dominating with Shadow Ball
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kirbymuncher 02/09/24 12:17:39 PM #28: |
Honestly I think I liked casual pokemon more before the phys/spec split? Sure, there's some types that sort of ended up on the weird side of things in gens 1-3 but it was more interesting to me than the world afterwards where basically all pokemon just have the strongest STAB attacking moves, phys/spec depending on their stats, matching their type(s)
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 12:26:51 PM #29: |
LeCh0nk posted...
Did you just watch Scott's Thoughts sneasel solo stream?No but I do watch his stuff every so often in the background lol --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Srk700 02/09/24 12:29:10 PM #30: |
NeonBoobs posted... Hey, let's give this cat thing good physical attack but garbage special Bad typing vs stat spread was still possible to work around too. Gengar and Gyarados both also had typings that went against what their stats wanted them to do (Gyarados did having the flying type, but he had no flying moves lol), but they still turned out to be good thanks to a strong movepool + good stats. Sneasel unfortunately couldn't get neither of those 2 things. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 12:32:43 PM #31: |
Gyarados going from 100 special in gen 1 to like 60 in gen 2 hurt my soul lol.
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 2:19:13 PM #32: |
kirbymuncher posted...
Honestly I think I liked casual pokemon more before the phys/spec split? Sure, there's some types that sort of ended up on the weird side of things in gens 1-3 but it was more interesting to me than the world afterwards where basically all pokemon just have the strongest STAB attacking moves, phys/spec depending on their stats, matching their type(s)I kinda get it. Like trying to work around a pokemon's weakness and creatively use their toolkit to beat opponents is fun. But at the same time, shit like Sandslash and Electrode not learning any stab moves natively, or pokemon like Sneasel just getting utterly shafted by their stats and moveset does suck though. Shit like gen 1 Aerodactyl having amazing stats but literally no moves besides Hyper Beam and Fly does suck --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 02/09/24 2:29:22 PM #33: |
because I'm bored, here's the list of mons introduced in Johto that got evos later down the line.
Togetic Aipom Yanma Murkrow Misdreavus Girafarig Dunsparce Gligar Sneasel Ursaring Piloswine Porygon2 Stantler There's also Qwilfish and Corsola, who got regional versions who got evos instead of the originals. --- currently waiting for my turn in Master Duel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Venixon 02/09/24 7:45:40 PM #34: |
Yeah johto does not have a lot of good pokemon to its name. Girafarig,Houndoom, Murkrow, Suicune, Ampharos, Lanturn, and Skarmory are good.
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GeminiDeus 02/09/24 7:51:35 PM #35: |
Honestly it seems like they wanted to do physical/special split starting in Gen 2 but didn't know how.
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kage_53 02/09/24 7:51:45 PM #36: |
NeonBoobs posted... Yeah. The only stellar pokemon from gen 2 that was easy to get (aka no trading bullshit) was Houndoom iirc. All the others were mediocre or bad >_> Ampharos, Skarmory, Tyranitar, Umbreon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dameon_reaper 02/09/24 7:52:35 PM #37: |
Charged151 posted... Misdreavus and Larvitar have it the worst though. You don't even get these Johto Pokmon until 5-10 minutes from beating Red. Crystal added Larvitar to the Celadon Game Corner...but both really should have been obtainable before the Elite Four. and you had to get it into its 50s to fully evolve it. So they put a monster with such a high evolution right at the end.... also, I don't know anything about meta but Scizor is my favorite pokemon of all time. It just looks so badass...and I had no one to trade with.. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 7:53:51 PM #38: |
kage_53 posted...
TyranitarYeah, as people said, good luck getting Tyranitar at the end of the game lol. Plus it doesnt have sand stream nor get the Sp. Def boost from it either --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoctorPiranha3 02/09/24 7:54:28 PM #39: |
IceCreamOnStero posted... Most Gen 2 additions are just trash. Slow, incomplete and some garbage movepools. Even the cool ones are often post game. Gen 2 just sucks in generalYep. And to top it off, the Elite 4 was the hardest in this game because your main team was likely to be shitmons with shit movepools. Good luck getting past Lance's three fucking Dragonites with the shit maingame mons and without doing research ahead of time. What were they thinking?! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 02/09/24 7:55:39 PM #40: |
DoctorPiranha3 posted...
the Elite 4 was the hardest in this gameLiterally the easiest E4 in all of the games. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 7:57:31 PM #41: |
ellis123 posted...
Literally the easiest E4 in all of the games.I think Gen 1's is easier. Bruno is a nonissue and Agatha has awful moves. Lorelei and Lance are the only 2 trainers that are threats --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Venixon 02/09/24 8:00:10 PM #42: |
kage_53 posted...
Ampharos, Skarmory, Tyranitar, Umbreon DoctorPiranha3 posted... Yep. And to top it off, the Elite 4 was the hardest in this game because your main team was likely to be shitmons with shit movepools. Good luck getting past Lance's three fucking Dragonites with the shit maingame mons and without doing research ahead of time.It was the second game I beat, the e4 were fairly easy. It's just grinding that high with the bad level curve. --- I'm just a girl who loves games ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoctorPiranha3 02/09/24 8:00:17 PM #43: |
ellis123 posted... Literally the easiest E4 in all of the games.Lmao no. Look at the gen 2 dex, look at the movepools, look at what Pokemon are available, consider kids back then werent pre planning their team, and then get back to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Calwings 02/09/24 8:00:19 PM #44: |
Oh look, another chance for me to shill Crystal Legacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeJBVY3z_uE https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nFzUWtrQm85oQlPp_cxL-b2-WB2Igs9E1PmJQ23SQwQ/edit#heading=h.lqvpqkf8zgzm Basically all of the things people complained about in this topic in regards to the gen 2 games (Dark being special while Ghost was physical, bad availability for some of the new Johto Pokemon, a lot of Pokemon having bad movepools and lacking STAB attacks) this ROM hack fixes, on top of plenty of other fixes and quality of life changes. I can't recommend it enough. --- https://i.imgur.com/PmF1p9q.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonBoobs 02/09/24 8:04:31 PM #45: |
I still need to look at that. I've been playing Crystal Clear a lot
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ellis123 02/09/24 8:06:17 PM #46: |
NeonBoobs posted...
I think Gen 1's is easier. Bruno is a nonissue and Agatha has awful moves. Lorelei and Lance are the only 2 trainers that are threatsThere was a dude that pit all of the trainers together on Youtube. Gen 2 came bottom across the board, minus Whitney. DoctorPiranha3 posted... Lmao no. Look at the gen 2 dex, look at the movepools, look at what Pokemon are available, consider kids back then werent pre planning their team, and then get back to me.Mate, Feraligatr solos the entire thing. Who gives a crap about how Sentret is trash if the E4 is like 10 levels too low and no one is forcing you to use Sentret? --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pororin 02/09/24 8:06:21 PM #47: |
NeonBoobs posted... My last 4? moderations were from describing dicks in too much detail >_> I'm trying to reel it back and not get modded, but sometimes I just can't help talking about cocks. I love the dick.NeonDicktopus? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kage_53 02/09/24 8:07:26 PM #48: |
NeonBoobs posted... Yeah, as people said, good luck getting Tyranitar at the end of the game lol. Plus it doesnt have sand stream nor get the Sp. Def boost from it either It was still a broken mon in gen 2 without that because of its stats and move pool. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoctorPiranha3 02/09/24 8:09:20 PM #49: |
ellis123 posted... Mate, Feraligatr solos the entire thing. Who gives a crap about how Sentret is trash if the E4 is like 10 levels too low and no one is forcing you to use Sentret?10 levels too low from what? Your team is also low-leveled in comparison. The E4 in this game is more like mid-late game than a true end game, considering the Kanto content. Unless you're talking about a predetermined Feraligatr solo, which I assume most people didn't do... yeah, Dragonites are gonna fuck you up. Especially since one of them knows Thunder which would wreck your level 40 Feraligatr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 02/09/24 8:10:10 PM #50: |
Touch posted...
My one saving grace from gen 2 and physical ghost typing: Curselax dominating with Shadow BallCurselax doesn't even run Shadow Ball. It usually runs Earthquake or Special coverage instead. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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