Board 8 > Simpsons Mafia topic 6: You have Thirty Minutes to move your Cube

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Beyond that, I have been trying hard to understand the game and decipher the claims and lies.

Beyond that was my interaction with death day 1 and instantly recognizing that his claim was missing an element as a vanilla myself.

okay so.

What have you deciphered and understood? Because other than the list you have little.

Second, scum is going to know the vanilla format. This is standard practice.

So try again.

Obellisk posted...

still true? or that was lies?

Still true.

Scum has vanillizer, Role cop, Janitor kill, Unblockable kill. Who knows what else.

With what we have flipped and even claimed, pretty strong for scum.

red13n posted...

Still true.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e710f2ff.jpg

making me click black bars....

comparing me to isquen....

saying words like respect....

farts.

Sbell, I just feel like you're only here for the zipline

shoot me if today's lynch flips scum

shoot any vanilla if today's lynch flips town

i think?

Enchantress posted...

Sbell, I just feel like you're only here for the zipline

but that doesn't mean I'm scum.

At least I'll be dead for this next stage of the game. have a boring time.

Sbell if you lost the will to play mafia why do you want to not get killed next

I saw you say you had a change of heart but why did being on the chopping block fill you with a newfound love for the game?

sbell serious who should i shoot answer?

red13n posted...

sbell serious who should i shoot answer?

I said a vanilla.

take your pick. I'd go FD first but, you has the power. Choose your path.

red13n posted...

What have you deciphered and understood? Because other than the list you have little.

I had THREE mother fucking paragraphs typed it and accidentally pulled down and refreshed the page. Fuck mobile posting.

the tl:dr version is my efforts finding the posts that make wallz look scummy, my efforts washing through Kirby's day 1 posts, and generally questioning the inconstant details of others that don't line up. There was something about realizing the isquen lynch didn't feel right and something about not having a perfect voting record, but I'm informed town so all I can do is try my best.

I liked my post before I lost it though, so just pretend like this one is longer and better written and more convincing.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm UNinformed* town

Fucking bullshit swipe

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I mean, Chang as BP *is* an option for lying. And it could simply be a lie to discourage red from shooting him since red was claimed as simply vigi at the time. That's partly why I wouldn't hate red taking a shot to confirm BP. I don't buy scum BP as a thing that should exist.

But barring using the shot to confirm chang I think I'd want red to shoot death is Sbell flips town.

Why so?

Chaeix posted...

honestly i don't think we should shoot chang

i think even if chang is scum he's likely to be some kind of bp

we don't really get an alignment confirmation, i'd rather see someone die

Yeah I'm with this. Shooting chang chang's nothing about how I currently view him

PunishedBen posted...

Why so?

BP scum feels ridiculously unfair if you are giving town a shot. Punishing town hard for making an objectively correct decision.

It MAYBE has a place of there is an SK? Or a second faction? Or maybe as a single use scum BP so it has to deliberately coincide with a vigi shot?

It's possible I'm just out of touch with balance meta if no one else has a problem with it, but for me I hate the idea

For me its

Lynch Death. If he flips town, shoot Sbell. If Death flips scum, shoot FD.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

BP scum feels ridiculously unfair if you are giving town a shot. Punishing town hard for making an objectively correct decision.

It MAYBE has a place of there is an SK? Or a second faction? Or maybe as a single use scum BP so it has to deliberately coincide with a vigi shot?

It's possible I'm just out of touch with balance meta if no one else has a problem with it, but for me I hate the idea

BP is vig immune only, not lynch immune

I see now you werent implying that, however I think its 100% correct to give scum one vig immune player when including town vig. Its the same reason you give scum a godfather when there is a cop.

That's how I personally feel about it, but I'm open to reconsideration if everyone else agrees scum BP isn't strange.

At the very least Homer could fit as a flavor for BP based upon the episode where he became a boxing contender. He won all his fights by letting everyone punch him in the head until they got gassed out and fell over.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I still think Death is town because of how he interacted with my claim.

If you can quote the post or posts in question I'd like to look at them to see if I can get the same read on it

Was that when you failed to include your renamed vanilla role AFTER we already had the same conversation with death literally the day before? Why wouldn't they help you out when the issue had already been discussed extensively?

UltimaterializerX posted...

It was when him and Kirby were both telling me to stop being an idiot with the renamed vanilla chatter. I dont see a world where scum helps me there instead of just using it to get me lynched. Ill find the quotes tomorrow, Im going to sleep.

death is a manipulative mafia player. he'll make you feel like he's your best friend and then he'll murder your dog.

htaeD posted...

Carl Carlson and Lenny Leonard, Town Vanilla

Forceful_Dragon posted...

So you're claiming to be vanilla both in role-name and function?

htaeD posted...

Knew I forgot something,
Forgive me I am tired.
My rolename is Average Joes

htaeD posted...

Though the role Pm also also says I am a Vanilla anyway

Lopen posted...

I believe Death claim

This was the initial exchange between the 3ish of us. Then about an hour later Ben recapped the exchange and said it made us all look like town.

Obellisk posted...

but that doesn't mean I'm scum.

At least I'll be dead for this next stage of the game. have a boring time.

I can't tell if you know that's the line from the meme you keep posting or not

Then at the beginning of day 2:

UltimaterializerX posted...

I think I made it obvious yesterday, but I am only a vanilla. I was acting goofy in hopes of baiting scum actions.

And then a couple hundred posts pass before Kirby comes in with:

Kirby321 posted...

Ulti, you are missing information from your claim. Please claim your role in full, please.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ooh this fun.

Ned Flanders, town vanilla.

At which point Ulti STILL gets it wrong despite everything that had already been discussed.

htaeD posted...

Well well well isnt that interesting
Thats not what he was asking, Ulti.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh I think I get what youre talking about. Do you want the renamed part too?

htaeD posted...

Yes!

I mean I almost voted you there, but then I wondered why the hell scum would not post the renamed part to begin with.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Yeah its Naive Neighbor (Vanilla), which looked really fishy to me and I was going to ask publicly yesterday but Ive learned the hard way not to trust certain people.

I was genuinely going to go into day one playing nice and asking if hidden neighbor stuff was possible, but after getting mislynched for stuff like that previously Im scarred for life with that type of play. Sorry not sorry, but blame FD for that.

So yeah they "helped" you, but only in as much as you tripped over flat ground and there would have been no way possible to put a knife in your back in that situation regardless of alignment. You were already tracked going nowhere, and you now have a storied history of flubbing your own role somehow.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

That's how I personally feel about it, but I'm open to reconsideration if everyone else agrees scum BP isn't strange.

At the very least Homer could fit as a flavor for BP based upon the episode where he became a boxing contender. He won all his fights by letting everyone punch him in the head until they got gassed out and fell over.

And he can tank a cannonball to the gut

Before ben got scanned my vanilla sus was Ben > Sbell >> Death >>> Ulti

After Ben's scan it's Sbell >> Death >>> Ulti = Ben

An Sbell guilty flip will have me wanting to look in the claimed power for remaining scum, but an sbell inno flip will force me to re-evaluate Death.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

This was the initial exchange between the 3ish of us. Then about an hour later Ben recapped the exchange and said it made us all look like town.

Did I actually say it cleared death? Because I keep hearing from you that I said that but I feel I've been pretty clear all game i am not clearing death for the same reasons I cleared you and Lopen. As in, I thought you gave away you were vanilla from your reactions.

fine, you never considered death to be town as a result, but the rest of us did <_<

It's possible he had the example ready and then referenced it when pressed.

It's also possible that he went and ASKED for an example when he didn't know what I was talking about and got something thrown together within 9-10 minutes.

Neither of those things are technically impossible and if POE comes down to me vs death then it's definitely death. But he's still not my first choice to lynch in this spot.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Then at the beginning of day 2:

And then a couple hundred posts pass before Kirby comes in with:

At which point Ulti STILL gets it wrong despite everything that had already been discussed.

So yeah they "helped" you, but only in as much as you tripped over flat ground and there would have been no way possible to put a knife in your back in that situation regardless of alignment. You were already tracked going nowhere, and you now have a storied history of flubbing your own role somehow.

From that exchange I don't even see Death "helping" Ulti. That's him admitting he looked to see if he could vote for Ulti before realizing he can't. And the reason death gives is because scum surely already know about the renamed roles. So that's interesting death himself acknowledges it but some people still think death looks good for having access to the renamed part of his role?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

fine, you never considered death to be town as a result, but the rest of us did <_<

It's possible he had the example ready and then referenced it when pressed.

It's also possible that he went and ASKED for an example when he didn't know what I was talking about and got something thrown together within 9-10 minutes.

Neither of those things are technically impossible and if POE comes down to me vs death then it's definitely death. But he's still not my first choice to lynch in this spot.

Well luckily we agree on that and that's what's important lol.

I will reiterate that I think Death + Sbell is not a scum team because of the Peter Griffin guess. So it is important to me which of the two we choose to kill as I think one is scum and one is town.

Despite my clearing of FD day 1, I'd sooner except a Death + FD or Sbell + FD scum team. And I do lean toward Death + FD just because of how focused a lot of people have been on that part of the game. Scum Corrik included

Obellisk posted...

death is a manipulative mafia player. he'll make you feel like he's your best friend and then he'll murder your dog.

Well yeah I'm a catperson.
But to be more serious, I like to think I am friendly no matter what role I get.

PunishedBen posted...

And the reason death gives is because scum surely already know about the renamed roles. So that's interesting death himself acknowledges it but some people still think death looks good for having access to the renamed part of his role?

This deserves acknowledging, for town to say of course scum knows! after not posting it correctly in the first place. Granted its also possible it was a genuine mistake. The fairest thing imo is this shouldnt be held against death but he shouldnt get town points for claiming correctly either.

Im genuinely curious to know what town case anyone has on death excluding his claiming in the correct format the second time around.

htaeD posted... (3.062)

Or dont

##Vote: Ulti

Either way I feel this is my safest/best option. The one with the least chance of costing town if its a mislynch

Gnight all

Cant fault death staying on ulti because of time zones. The question is, does town death vote ulti here knowing its possible ulti is lying town? I dont know the answer to that questikn

Honestly me voting Ulti was just a combination of him looking bad to me, and everyone else not being claimed yet (Mzero, Ctes) or having a claim that I didnt want to risk lynching (Red)

I really miss earlier deadlines.

Based on the whole miller kerfuffle, I highly doubt Wallz is scum with Sbell as well (and Ulti I guess)

why haven't you just lynched me yet?

wallmasterz posted...

Im genuinely curious to know what town case anyone has on death excluding his claiming in the correct format the second time around.

no idea, why don't you lynch me first though.

I'm reading we wait.

htaeD posted...

Based on the whole miller kerfuffle, I highly doubt Wallz is scum with Sbell as well (and Ulti I guess)

yes wallz/sbell together is impossible imo.

interesting that if sbell is scum he definitely slipped on d1.

red13n posted...

interesting that if sbell is scum he definitely slipped on d1.

he isn't. he didn't. but if I was, what is my slip?

Has JC even returned to the game since claiming he could end the day early?

4. IGCD
5. Isquen
8. Lea
10. Red
16. Chang

Would ctes bus 0 scum.

Obellisk posted...

he isn't. he didn't. but if I was, what is my slip?

If I Did It: Confessions of the Killer by Sbell Simpson

So lets play with flavor a bit...

Assume we have a godfather.

Is sbell homer or is ben bart.

wallmasterz posted...

If I Did It: Confessions of the Killer by Sbell Simpson

ok, ya got me with this one.

I am not nearly a ballsy enough player to walk into a mafia game as scum (nevermind the addition of a godfather modifier) and act dejected over not getting a simpsons character. Like, I guess I appreciate the theories that it's possible I could pull that off, but let's be real. Scum Sbell is a horrible liar and is usually one of the first on a scum team to die.