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Thud 02/20/24 6:11:51 PM #1:	https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/god-of-war-creator-david-jaffe-unhappy-kratos-story/ What the actual fuck. Kratos grew and matured, and it's kind of meta because those of us who grew up with his games find Kratos and his actions kind of cringe now just like he does in the new series. Kratos literally destroyed an entire world on his quest for vengeance and became the very thing he despised: a God who cared not for the mortals beneath him and how his actions hurt them. My take on the new games is Kratos is broken and ashamed, and in the end for all his efforts and bloodshed he gained absolutely nothing and even lost the only home he had. He has nothing left (until Faye and Atreus). He's just going through the motions now and has nothing left to fight for and no desire to to so, I viewed it as a self imposed exile and penance for what he did. The new series was a natural progression of the story, but still has the theme of him vs arrogant gods only with a different perspective knowing what war with gods accomplishes; nothing other than mortals ultimately paying the price of the fragile egos of the Gods. Old, but I just finally got a chance to play Valhalla and it was cool to see ~~Tyr walk him through some of his more shameful actions and how Kratos truly felt remorse for what he did to the boat captain, throwing away his second chance with his family etc~~ and it's a shame Jaffe can't appreciate the new direction. Seems like if he had his way Kratos would still be banging hoors and killing with impunity therefore making the story pointless --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:978950354] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/god-of-war-creator-david-jaffe-unhappy-kratos-story/What the actual fuck. Kratos grew and matured, and it's kind of meta because those of us who grew up with his games find Kratos and his actions kind of cringe now just like he does in the new series. Kratos literally destroyed an entire world on his quest for vengeance and became the very thing he despised: a God who cared not for the mortals beneath him and how his actions hurt them. My take on the new games is Kratos is broken and ashamed, and in the end for all his efforts and bloodshed he gained absolutely nothing and even lost the only home he had. He has nothing left (until Faye and Atreus). He's just going through the motions now and has nothing left to fight for and no desire to to so, I viewed it as a self imposed exile and penance for what he did. The new series was a natural progression of the story, but still has the theme of him vs arrogant gods only with a different perspective knowing what war with gods accomplishes; nothing other than mortals ultimately paying the price of the fragile egos of the Gods. Old, but I just finally got a chance to play Valhalla and it was cool to see Tyr walk him through some of his more shameful actions and how Kratos truly felt remorse for what he did to the boat captain, throwing away his second chance with his family etc and it's a shame Jaffe can't appreciate the new direction. Seems like if he had his way Kratos would still be banging hoors and killing with impunity therefore making the story pointless </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/20/24 6:13:45 PM #2:	Old --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:978950399] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Old </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 02/20/24 6:14:25 PM #3:	Who --- Italian, French, German. <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:978950415] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Who </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonBoobs 02/20/24 6:18:23 PM #4:	I do miss when Kratos was banging random chicks. Now he's a dad and has a little shit of a kid with responsibilities just drains all the fun out of his boring dull life now. It's too real lol --- https://imgur.com/aMaI3hj https://imgur.com/7PsdJNc https://imgur.com/eK8vZVn https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG https://imgur.com/nQGM5cZ <cite>NeonBoobs posted [p:978950490] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I do miss when Kratos was banging random chicks. Now he's a dad and has a little shit of a kid with responsibilities just drains all the fun out of his boring dull life now. It's too real lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thud 02/20/24 6:20:07 PM #5:	Irony posted... Old Yeah I acknowledge that SauI_Goodman posted... Who Kratos, the God of War NeonBoobs posted... I do miss when Kratos was banging random chicks. Now he's a dad and has a little shit of a kid with responsibilities just drains all the fun out of his boring dull life now. It's too real lol That's where we're at now though, sunrise sunset --- If anyone disparaged you the way you disparage yourself, I would wish to strike them with an axe <cite>Thud posted [p:978950514] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>Old</quote>Yeah I acknowledge thatSauI_Goodman posted... </cite><quote>Who</quote>Kratos, the God of WarNeonBoobs posted... </cite><quote>I do miss when Kratos was banging random chicks. Now he's a dad and has a little shit of a kid with responsibilities just drains all the fun out of his boring dull life now. It's too real lol</quote>That's where we're at now though, sunrise sunset </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 02/20/24 6:20:16 PM #6:	This is old news, but yeah he actually likes the new God of War games but hates it when it tries to "evolve" story wise. Like Kratos being an angry edgelord was starting to get really old and with each God of War game released showed people were less interested in the series as whole, it needed to evolve or it will just die out. SauI_Goodman posted... Who Jaffe Room --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:978950517] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>This is old news, but yeah he actually likes the new God of War games but hates it when it tries to "evolve" story wise. Like Kratos being an angry edgelord was starting to get really old and with each God of War game released showed people were less interested in the series as whole, it needed to evolve or it will just die out. SauI_Goodman posted... </cite><quote>Who</quote>Jaffe Room </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 02/20/24 6:20:38 PM #7:	I know who Kratos is lol --- Italian, French, German. <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:978950520] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I know who Kratos is lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/20/24 6:20:44 PM #8:	jaffe gaffe --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:978950521] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>jaffe gaffe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/20/24 6:43:56 PM #9:	Yeah TC I'm sure the creator of the character understands him worse than you do, makes sense. It was very mature, nuanced, and was reflective over some of the things the developers were going through in their own lives as they beganto have their own children. Haven't played any game past 2 but this sounds like he went from being a cool original character to a self-insert. Not sure how that's an improvement --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:978950904] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Yeah TC I'm sure the creator of the character understands him worse than you do, makes sense.It was very mature, nuanced, and was reflective over some of the things the developers were going through in their own lives as they beganto have their own children.Haven't played any game past 2 but this sounds like he went from being a cool original character to a self-insert. Not sure how that's an improvement </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wanderingshade 02/20/24 6:45:38 PM #10:	Jaffe misses a lot of things. Dude somehow fell upwards really quickly through the game industry while being a complete dumbass. --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" <cite>wanderingshade posted [p:978950946] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Jaffe misses a lot of things. Dude somehow fell upwards really quickly through the game industry while being a complete dumbass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/20/24 6:46:41 PM #11:	wanderingshade posted... Jaffe misses a lot of things. Dude somehow fell upwards really quickly through the game industry while being a complete dumbass. I guess the Twisted Metal reboot and Drawn to Death are falling upward --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:978950966] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>wanderingshade posted... </cite><quote>Jaffe misses a lot of things. Dude somehow fell upwards really quickly through the game industry while being a complete dumbass.</quote>I guess the Twisted Metal reboot and Drawn to Death are falling upward </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wanderingshade 02/20/24 6:48:13 PM #12:	Irony posted... I guess the Twisted Metal reboot and Drawn to Death are falling upward More like the illusion failing --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" <cite>wanderingshade posted [p:978951000] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>I guess the Twisted Metal reboot and Drawn to Death are falling upward</quote>More like the illusion failing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkDaLunatic 02/20/24 6:48:34 PM #13:	yes, david jaffe does tend to miss things that are painfully obvious to everyone else --- There's a time and place for everything... but not now. <cite>LinkDaLunatic posted [p:978951006] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>yes, david jaffe does tend to miss things that are painfully obvious to everyone else </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boomgetchopped3 02/20/24 6:50:21 PM #14:	Never beat a single GOW game. Played a few. I normally play through hack and slashers but I just fell off. The newer ones are kind of neat but theyre a bit harder to jump into what with the lengthy cutscenes and shit I dont care about. Jaffe had a good run. Calling all cars was a nice mini game. --- More to do with the humidity than heat <cite>boomgetchopped3 posted [p:978951023] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Never beat a single GOW game. Played a few. I normally play through hack and slashers but I just fell off. The newer ones are kind of neat but theyre a bit harder to jump into what with the lengthy cutscenes and shit I dont care about.Jaffe had a good run. Calling all cars was a nice mini game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/20/24 6:53:09 PM #15:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Yeah TC I'm sure the creator of the character understands him worse than you do, makes sense. It wouldnt be the first time. George Lucas and Akira Toriyama are similar. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978951061] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite><quote>Yeah TC I'm sure the creator of the character understands him worse than you do, makes sense.</quote>It wouldnt be the first time. George Lucas and Akira Toriyama are similar. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 02/20/24 6:59:03 PM #16:	Still think it should have been a new Norse protagonist for the Norse gods saga. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:978951167] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Still think it should have been a new Norse protagonist for the Norse gods saga. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/20/24 7:27:34 PM #17:	Ivynn posted... Still think it should have been a new Norse protagonist for the Norse gods saga. Thor voiced by Chris Hemsworth and Loki by Tom Hiddleston would be enough to finally get me interested in GoW. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978951661] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Ivynn posted... </cite><quote>Still think it should have been a new Norse protagonist for the Norse gods saga.</quote>Thor voiced by Chris Hemsworth and Loki by Tom Hiddleston would be enough to finally get me interested in GoW. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-zom 02/20/24 7:33:21 PM #18:	I've played every game in the series and I tend to agree with Jaffe more than I don't on this topic, but I also think that the GoW story should have stopped at 3. It was the perfect ending. Epilogue Kratos is a fantastic character and the modern games have some excellent writing and production value, they're honestly incredible to me. But I also had beef with Old Snake for similar reasons. DJ gave him a proper arc and he died restoring hope to the world and trying, his best, to undo the massive amount of fuck ups he caused. A lot of his emotional journey in '18 and Ragnarok are redundant. I will also die on this hill, I suppose. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>C-zom posted [p:978951761] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I've played every game in the series and I tend to agree with Jaffe more than I don't on this topic, but I also think that the GoW story should have stopped at 3. It was the perfect ending.Epilogue Kratos is a fantastic character and the modern games have some excellent writing and production value, they're honestly incredible to me. But I also had beef with Old Snake for similar reasons. DJ gave him a proper arc and he died restoring hope to the world and trying, his best, to undo the massive amount of fuck ups he caused. A lot of his emotional journey in '18 and Ragnarok are redundant. I will also die on this hill, I suppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/20/24 7:35:50 PM #19:	LinkDaLunatic posted... yes, david jaffe does tend to miss things that are painfully obvious to everyone else Like the Jaffe Room in Metroid Dread --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978951807] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>LinkDaLunatic posted... </cite><quote>yes, david jaffe does tend to miss things that are painfully obvious to everyone else</quote>Like the Jaffe Room in Metroid Dread </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turducken 02/20/24 7:36:41 PM #20:	#justiceforboatcaptain --- THE FIGHT WILL CONTINUE, AS LONG AS THE AMERICA INSIDE MY HEART IS STILL ALIVE <cite>Turducken posted [p:978951822] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>#justiceforboatcaptain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/20/24 8:19:05 PM #21:	I feel like there is an almost impressive kind of arrogance in believing that you get to decide "the point" of a creative work, not the creator of it. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:978952558] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I feel like there is an almost impressive kind of arrogance in believing that you get to decide "the point" of a creative work, not the creator of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bringit 02/20/24 8:35:02 PM #22:	I do think there's a balance to be had when it comes to Kratos and his anger. They're not in conflict with him maturing, he need only learn to control it. Mechanically (and personally for me, narratively too) I do find it very boring how he now tends to avoid fights, even when pushed into it for good reason. I'd much prefer when he ends up in a situation where he HAS to go on the offensive, if he just embraced it and we got elements of his old self for the duration instead of reluctance/guilt/shame. His new attitude is pretty typical of a protagonist which makes it less exciting. --- "I still have a tattoo to get, that says I'm living in the moment." <cite>Bringit posted [p:978952789] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I do think there's a balance to be had when it comes to Kratos and his anger. They're not in conflict with him maturing, he need only learn to control it.Mechanically (and personally for me, narratively too) I do find it very boring how he now tends to avoid fights, even when pushed into it for good reason. I'd much prefer when he ends up in a situation where he HAS to go on the offensive, if he just embraced it and we got elements of his old self for the duration instead of reluctance/guilt/shame. His new attitude is pretty typical of a protagonist which makes it less exciting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-zom 02/20/24 9:47:43 PM #23:	Bringit posted... I do think there's a balance to be had when it comes to Kratos and his anger. They're not in conflict with him maturing, he need only learn to control it. Mechanically (and personally for me, narratively too) I do find it very boring how he now tends to avoid fights, even when pushed into it for good reason. I'd much prefer when he ends up in a situation where he HAS to go on the offensive, if he just embraced it and we got elements of his old self for the duration instead of reluctance/guilt/shame. His new attitude is pretty typical of a protagonist which makes it less exciting. Learning that he doesn't give a shit and ~~jobs intentionally since '18~~ in Ragnarok was such a letdown. And, canonically, that he lets ~~Thor kill him dead-dead.~~ There are so many moments where he's pushed to the absolute brink, whether for himself or family, and he doesn't go all out. They took the stoic warrior thing to too far extremes. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>C-zom posted [p:978953974] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Bringit posted... </cite><quote>I do think there's a balance to be had when it comes to Kratos and his anger. They're not in conflict with him maturing, he need only learn to control it.Mechanically (and personally for me, narratively too) I do find it very boring how he now tends to avoid fights, even when pushed into it for good reason. I'd much prefer when he ends up in a situation where he HAS to go on the offensive, if he just embraced it and we got elements of his old self for the duration instead of reluctance/guilt/shame. His new attitude is pretty typical of a protagonist which makes it less exciting.</quote>Learning that he doesn't give a shit and jobs intentionally since '18 in Ragnarok was such a letdown. And, canonically, that he lets Thor kill him dead-dead. There are so many moments where he's pushed to the absolute brink, whether for himself or family, and he doesn't go all out. They took the stoic warrior thing to too far extremes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 02/20/24 9:48:39 PM #24:	Jaffe is too cool for subtle, realistic characters --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:978953985] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Jaffe is too cool for subtle, realistic characters </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 02/20/24 9:53:29 PM #25:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Yeah TC I'm sure the creator of the character understands him worse than you do, makes sense. If the creator of God of War doesn't understand that storytelling often involves characters growing and changing from their experiences, then yes, he understands it less than I do. Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Haven't played any game past 2 but this sounds like he went from being a cool original character to a self-insert. Not sure how that's an improvement He's still a cool, original character, but now we can actually relate to him on a human level. Neat! --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:978954051] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite><quote>Yeah TC I'm sure the creator of the character understands him worse than you do, makes sense.</quote>If the creator of God of War doesn't understand that storytelling often involves characters growing and changing from their experiences, then yes, he understands it less than I do.Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite><quote>Haven't played any game past 2 but this sounds like he went from being a cool original character to a self-insert. Not sure how that's an improvement</quote>He's still a cool, original character, but now we can actually relate to him on a human level. Neat! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/20/24 10:01:53 PM #26:	Tenlaar posted... I feel like there is an almost impressive kind of arrogance in believing that you get to decide "the point" of a creative work, not the creator of it. You're not going to like learning about public domain. No one mentioned how in GoW 1 the grave digger was clearly supposed to be Zeus as they had the same voice actor. Paul Eiding also played Colonel Roy Campbell in Metal Gear Solid. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:978954162] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted...</cite><quote>I feel like there is an almost impressive kind of arrogance in believing that you get to decide "the point" of a creative work, not the creator of it.</quote>You're not going to like learning about public domain.No one mentioned how in GoW 1 the grave digger was clearly supposed to be Zeus as they had the same voice actor. Paul Eiding also played Colonel Roy Campbell in Metal Gear Solid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/20/24 10:03:13 PM #27:	ButteryMales posted... You're not going to like learning about public domain. I dont know how you think this is a reply to what I said. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:978954187] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite><quote>You're not going to like learning about public domain.</quote>I dont know how you think this is a reply to what I said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 02/20/24 10:03:30 PM #28:	I don't think you can tell the creator his thoughts are wrong, but I will agree he's being cringe and butthurt. --- How quaint. <cite>C_Pain posted [p:978954192] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I don't think you can tell the creator his thoughts are wrong, but I will agree he's being cringe and butthurt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProfessorKukui 02/20/24 10:05:41 PM #29:	I mean, if it's an issue then make another game with younger Kratos doing his Kratos thing. Crazy concept. --- #b#read <cite>ProfessorKukui posted [p:978954240] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I mean, if it's an issue then make another game with younger Kratos doing his Kratos thing. Crazy concept. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/20/24 10:11:26 PM #30:	Tenlaar posted... ButteryMales posted... You're not going to like learning about public domain. I dont know how you think this is a reply to what I said. It was a joke on how public domain is people deciding the point of works they didn't create. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:978954320] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted...</cite><quote>ButteryMales posted...</cite><quote>You're not going to like learning about public domain.</quote>I dont know how you think this is a reply to what I said.</quote>It was a joke on how public domain is people deciding the point of works they didn't create.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 02/20/24 10:22:06 PM #31:	Sometimes characters can grow beyond the creators initial ambitions and design. It's nice when that works well. It's pretty universal for any characters that remain relevant over a long period of time. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:978954456] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Sometimes characters can grow beyond the creators initial ambitions and design. It's nice when that works well. It's pretty universal for any characters that remain relevant over a long period of time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/20/24 10:25:44 PM #32:	Kratos isn't even his creation. He just made up bullshit based on the Hellenic myth. I'd link the wiki but it goes straight to dong --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:978954523] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Kratos isn't even his creation. He just made up bullshit based on the Hellenic myth.I'd link the wiki but it goes straight to dong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--Zero- 02/20/24 10:27:26 PM #33:	I mean really all the fans really wanted was to play as Kratos killing Gods from other pantheons. The Norse games seem to be chilling him out too much and appear to be setting him up for retirement instead of ravaging through other Gods like most people wanted. --- Sig <cite>--Zero- posted [p:978954552] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>I mean really all the fans really wanted was to play as Kratos killing Gods from other pantheons. The Norse games seem to be chilling him out too much and appear to be setting him up for retirement instead of ravaging through other Gods like most people wanted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScytheCarnage 02/20/24 10:44:03 PM #34:	C-zom posted... I've played every game in the series and I tend to agree with Jaffe more than I don't on this topic, but I also think that the GoW story should have stopped at 3. It was the perfect ending. Epilogue Kratos is a fantastic character and the modern games have some excellent writing and production value, they're honestly incredible to me. But I also had beef with Old Snake for similar reasons. DJ gave him a proper arc and he died restoring hope to the world and trying, his best, to undo the massive amount of fuck ups he caused. A lot of his emotional journey in '18 and Ragnarok are redundant. I will also die on this hill, I suppose. Yeah I remember when Old Snake went into a brand new mythology after finishing his trilogy. Wait... What? Lmao <cite>ScytheCarnage posted [p:978954766] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>C-zom posted... </cite><quote>I've played every game in the series and I tend to agree with Jaffe more than I don't on this topic, but I also think that the GoW story should have stopped at 3. It was the perfect ending.Epilogue Kratos is a fantastic character and the modern games have some excellent writing and production value, they're honestly incredible to me. But I also had beef with Old Snake for similar reasons. DJ gave him a proper arc and he died restoring hope to the world and trying, his best, to undo the massive amount of fuck ups he caused. A lot of his emotional journey in '18 and Ragnarok are redundant. I will also die on this hill, I suppose.</quote>Yeah I remember when Old Snake went into a brand new mythology after finishing his trilogy. Wait... What? Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/20/24 10:48:43 PM #35:	C_Pain posted... I don't think you can tell the creator his thoughts are wrong You can however point out their own contradictions, inconsistency and forgetfulness. See: the mess that is Dragonball Super. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978954829] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>C_Pain posted... </cite><quote>I don't think you can tell the creator his thoughts are wrong</quote>You can however point out their own contradictions, inconsistency and forgetfulness.See: the mess that is Dragonball Super. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/21/24 2:25:00 AM #36:	ModernPost posted... He's still a cool, original character, but now we can actually relate to him on a human level. Neat! Why not just make him a snarky gamefaqs poster so you can relate to him extra hard? --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:978957018] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>He's still a cool, original character, but now we can actually relate to him on a human level. Neat!</quote>Why not just make him a snarky gamefaqs poster so you can relate to him extra hard? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 02/21/24 2:31:59 AM #37:	ProfessorKukui posted... I mean, if it's an issue then make another game with younger Kratos doing his Kratos thing. Crazy concept. That would actually be awesome if they had an alternate timeline GoW series taking place after 3 where they actually kept everything that was good about the originals (distant camera, ultraviolence, frenetic action, etc) Have him kill some other pantheon as well, maybe egyptian gods or something --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:978957072] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>ProfessorKukui posted... </cite><quote>I mean, if it's an issue then make another game with younger Kratos doing his Kratos thing. Crazy concept.</quote>That would actually be awesome if they had an alternate timeline GoW series taking place after 3 where they actually kept everything that was good about the originals (distant camera, ultraviolence, frenetic action, etc)Have him kill some other pantheon as well, maybe egyptian gods or something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 02/21/24 4:27:07 AM #38:	ButteryMales posted... No one mentioned how in GoW 1 the grave digger was clearly supposed to be Zeus as they had the same voice actor. Paul Eiding also played Colonel Roy Campbell in Metal Gear Solid. Was anyone supposed to? Like you're not wrong, but I don't see how it's relevant lol --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:978957660] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite><quote>No one mentioned how in GoW 1 the grave digger was clearly supposed to be Zeus as they had the same voice actor. Paul Eiding also played Colonel Roy Campbell in Metal Gear Solid.</quote>Was anyone supposed to? Like you're not wrong, but I don't see how it's relevant lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/21/24 2:31:07 PM #39:	pegusus123456 posted... ButteryMales posted... No one mentioned how in GoW 1 the grave digger was clearly supposed to be Zeus as they had the same voice actor. Was anyone supposed to? Like you're not wrong, but I don't see how it's relevant lol It points out by the second game they didn't give a crap about what Jaffe wanted. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:978966442] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted...</cite><quote>ButteryMales posted...</cite><quote>No one mentioned how in GoW 1 the grave digger was clearly supposed to be Zeus as they had the same voice actor.</quote>Was anyone supposed to? Like you're not wrong, but I don't see how it's relevant lol</quote>It points out by the second game they didn't give a crap about what Jaffe wanted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 02/21/24 7:19:36 PM #40:	ButteryMales posted... It points out by the second game they didn't give a crap about what Jaffe wanted. In what way? --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:978969691] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite><quote>It points out by the second game they didn't give a crap about what Jaffe wanted.</quote>In what way? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonGear80 02/21/24 7:21:34 PM #41:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/83ed5b9f.jpg David Jaffe and missing the point? surely you jest! --- PSN: ArsenalGear, NNID: CrimsonG80, XB GT: CrimsonG80 Last game(s) finished: Like a Dragon Gaiden (PS5), Silent Hill: The Short Message (PS5) <cite>CrimsonGear80 posted [p:978969724] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/83ed5b9f.jpgDavid Jaffe and missing the point? surely you jest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeggetaX 02/21/24 7:21:43 PM #42:	Angry Kratos was a reflection of Jaffe. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>VeggetaX posted [p:978969729] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Angry Kratos was a reflection of Jaffe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/21/24 7:40:49 PM #43:	pegusus123456 posted... In what way? https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Grave_Digger It is unclear why Zeus helped Kratos reach Pandora's Box when he knew it contained the Evils of the world. Clearly they didn't get an outline for a trilogy or even just one sequel. VeggetaX posted... Angry Kratos was a reflection of Jaffe. In the one game Jaffe made he wasn't just angry but suicidal. The only way to continue the story was for Kratos to be more angry than suicidal since he already got revenge against Ares. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:978970030] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted...</cite><quote>In what way?</quote>https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Grave_DiggerIt is unclear why Zeus helped Kratos reach Pandora's Box when he knew it contained the Evils of the world.Clearly they didn't get an outline for a trilogy or even just one sequel.VeggetaX posted...</cite><quote>Angry Kratos was a reflection of Jaffe.</quote>In the one game Jaffe made he wasn't just angry but suicidal. The only way to continue the story was for Kratos to be more angry than suicidal since he already got revenge against Ares.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 02/21/24 8:51:04 PM #44:	CrimsonGear80 posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/83ed5b9f.jpg David Jaffe and missing the point? surely you jest! Wtf? --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:978971222] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonGear80 posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/83ed5b9f.jpgDavid Jaffe and missing the point? surely you jest!</quote>Wtf? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 02/21/24 8:53:52 PM #45:	It makes sense that someone who created a character would be upset at other writers basically turning him into an entirely different person <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:978971270] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>It makes sense that someone who created a character would be upset at other writers basically turning him into an entirely different person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModernPost 02/21/24 9:02:40 PM #46:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Why not just make him a snarky gamefaqs poster so you can relate to him extra hard? I did not make the character or the game he's in, you'll have to put in your request with someone else. --- The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth, it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true. Ecclesiastes FunWithAFryPan <cite>ModernPost posted [p:978971458] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite><quote>Why not just make him a snarky gamefaqs poster so you can relate to him extra hard?</quote>I did not make the character or the game he's in, you'll have to put in your request with someone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/21/24 9:03:58 PM #47:	ButteryMales posted... Clearly they didn't get an outline for a trilogy or even just one sequel. Damn, imagine if Star Wars did this. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978971485] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite><quote>Clearly they didn't get an outline for a trilogy or even just one sequel.</quote>Damn, imagine if Star Wars did this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/21/24 9:15:35 PM #48:	Background_Guy posted... It makes sense that someone who created a character would be upset at other writers basically turning him into an entirely different person That happened in the 2nd game out of 5 not including side games. In 4 and 5 where Kratos has a living child it actually makes sense for him to be less suicidal and angry making him instead protective of his son. If the series was just GoW 1, 4, and 5 it would actually have a pretty sensible through line of Kratos' character. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:978971682] in David Jaff... [t:80701602]...</cite> <quote>Background_Guy posted...</cite><quote>It makes sense that someone who created a character would be upset at other writers basically turning him into an entirely different person</quote>That happened in the 2nd game out of 5 not including side games.In 4 and 5 where Kratos has a living child it actually makes sense for him to be less suicidal and angry making him instead protective of his son. If the series was just GoW 1, 4, and 5 it would actually have a pretty sensible through line of Kratos' character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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