Current Events > Team Fortress 2 player sold his irl dog as part of a trade. Your opinion?

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thisworld
02/24/24 12:33:06 AM
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A Team Fortress 2 player, OrangeZest, recently sold his dog of 9-10 years to another player, Gummy, as part of a trade. The dog was valued at 450 keys or about $740. Here's the dog in question, Sky:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2c109f20.jpg

https://twitter.com/SirDapper/status/1757110406982578200

As you can see there's more to the story.
Here's the post from the seller:
https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/84438-yes-i-sold-my-dog-heres-why
The pic shown is of my dog, Sky. He's been with my family since he was a puppy, so about 9-10 years.

As of recently, we've been struggling to take care of him for the past half a year, especially after my parents moved back overseas leaving myself and my brother alone to take care of our dog.

Currently I have other personal commitments that take up most of my time, which take a lot of time and energy. I spend quite some time preparing medication and food for my dog, as he is unable to eat properly due to lumps on his neck. Regular dog food simply wont cut it as theyre too hard and rough to swallow, so I cook food for him in batches. However, its gone to a point where I cant keep this up and my dog would have a better life in a home where he can get more support, and attention.

Gummy [thisworld's note: the buyer] is a close IRL friend of mine, so even before this deciding to sell my dog talk, he has taken care of my dog at his place in several occasions, and even visited him at my place. They do get along quite well so its only natural that I ask him if hed like to take care of him permanently.

The only situation where I would give up my dog, is if the ones taking care of him were perfectly capable and had a good relationship with him. Though if Gummy [buyer] had not been available, I would have to give my dog up for adoption.

My dog would definitely get a far better quality of life by living in a home where people can take care of him more often than I ever would in my current situation.

PCGamer has full story
https://pcgamer.com/yes-team-fortress-2-players-recently-did-a-big-trade-involving-an-irl-dog -and-no-theyre-not-monsters-and-its-quite-above-board-and-sweet-actually/
[erase the space, gamefaqs and its 150 chars limit smh]

So the dog got a new and better home but still, the living creature was sold for digital items. Do you agree with this kind of trade?
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Blue_Inigo
02/24/24 12:38:08 AM
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I don't like this

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Doe
02/24/24 12:40:22 AM
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The tweet is missing important context, the seller has been facing struggles and responsibilities in life, so he's been having trouble caring for the dog. The buyer is a close irl friend who is familiar with the dog already and has cared for it before.'
https://twitter.com/AlcantaraJohndy/status/1757365197168349442?t=OeDRJ8-ngV2zcAmBAhQC7Q&s=19
Community note. Not surprised a guy who spends all him time tf2 trading has his liquid assets in tf2 keys.

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Kajagogo
02/24/24 12:43:21 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
I don't like this

I don't either, but hopefully the dog is now in a home where it will be actually loved.

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Guide
02/24/24 12:43:32 AM
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I mean, if he can't take care of the dog, it's better than the alternative.

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Torgo
02/24/24 12:46:20 AM
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Seems weird but it's not that strange when you consider the number of animals that are bought and sold each day whether pet stores, livestock, or whatever else.

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itachi15243
02/24/24 12:48:43 AM
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It's definitely weird to take that as payment (especially considering that it sounds like he could really use cash) but as long as the dog has gone to a good home where it can get the help it needs, I'm at least mostly okay with it.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 12:53:35 AM
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If the original owner was literally willing to trade his own dog like currency, then I can only hope the new owner treats the dog more humanely. Which I assume they will, since it seems like they accepted the dog in place of actual currency.

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Foppe
02/24/24 1:19:27 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
If the original owner was literally willing to trade his own dog like currency, then I can only hope the new owner treats the dog more humanely. Which I assume they will, since it seems like they accepted the dog in place of actual currency.
He loved the dog so much so he did what was best for the dog.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 1:31:41 AM
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Foppe posted...
He loved the dog so much so he did what was best for the dog.

You do realize that what is best for the dog being "Get the dog away from me" is not an endorsement for the original owner, right? It's the bare fucking minimum.

Yes, it is what is best for the dog... By virtue of the owner being that bad.

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Dark_Arbron
02/24/24 1:32:18 AM
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Kajagogo posted...
I don't either, but hopefully the dog is now in a home where it will be actually loved.

Guide posted...
I mean, if he can't take care of the dog, it's better than the alternative.


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AldousIsDead
02/24/24 1:34:08 AM
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This doesn't feel great, but I'm having a hard time articulating why.

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pegusus123456
02/24/24 1:36:18 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
You do realize that what is best for the dog being "Get the dog away from me" is not an endorsement for the original owner, right? It's the bare fucking minimum.

Yes, it is what is best for the dog... By virtue of the owner being that bad.
Did you actually read the situation? The original owner had personal obligations that prevented him from giving the dog the time and attention it needed.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 1:37:36 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Did you actually read the situation? The original owner had personal obligations that prevented him from giving the dog the time and attention it needed.

"Personal obligations" that apparently did not interrupt his Team Fortress 2 playing, but did interrupt his care of the dog.

A shitty owner is a shitty owner, no matter how they try to spruce it up.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 1:45:39 AM
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For the record, according to Steam, this is the player's average game play time, for the last two weeks:

Recent Activity
49.8 hours past 2 weeks

So don't even @ me with this "too busy to take care of a dog" bullshit. He spends more than a work week playing games.

EDIT: I guess this could be saying 50 hours over two weeks, i don't know if that's an average or total, but the point remains. This isn't some hard up guy giving his dog away because it's the right thing to do. It's somebody giving their dog away because they never cared for it in the first place.

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Back_Stabbath
02/24/24 1:46:19 AM
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something tells me the dog would have gone to the friend either way and they did this for the meme
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1c792429.jpg
like cmon peeps

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devilminion
02/24/24 1:51:20 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
"Personal obligations" that apparently did not interrupt his Team Fortress 2 playing,

So, apparently people ITT don't know about Steam marketplace trading. TF2 keys are more or less a grey market on steam, being used for the buying/selling of all kinds of products. Him being given TF2 keys doesn't mean he plays that game, as much as it means he is an active trader on steam. $750 for 450 keys is also a low estimate, as they typically sell for $2.10-$2.20 each.

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legendarylemur
02/24/24 1:56:15 AM
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Yeah I feel like the key part was a joke, and the guy asked for anything as a "transaction" and they were planning on changing ownership of the dog anyways. Ngl some people just kinda get pets without realizing the amount of work or other factors involved in raising one, and them not having the maturity to do it full time.

I take care of my sister's dog all the time, but she has a kid now, so I'm a bit afraid she's gonna try passing ownership of him to me. I only take care of him because I like him but I'm allergic, and I'm not prepared to have a stuffy nose for the rest of my days til the dog dies, so I'd refuse

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:01:53 AM
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devilminion posted...
So, apparently people ITT don't know about Steam marketplace trading. TF2 keys are more or less a grey market on steam, being used for the buying/selling of all kinds of products. Him being given TF2 keys doesn't mean he plays that game, as much as it means he is an active trader on steam. $750 for 450 keys is also a low estimate, as they typically sell for $2.10-$2.20 each.

He has over 3,400 hours in TF2 and his average playtime is either 49.8 hours per week, or for two weeks (unclear, since it doesn't specify), according to Steam, which is an insane amount either way. So, yes, he effectively has chosen playing Steam games over caring for his dog, so giving it away isn't a brave act, it's a basic act of mercy.

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ai123
02/24/24 2:04:26 AM
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Sometimes people find themselves in a situation where they can't give their pet the best care. Giving them to someone who will is the responsible thing to do.

I doubt the Team Fortress stuff really had anything to do with it. Seems like a joke that backfired.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:07:35 AM
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ai123 posted...
I doubt the Team Fortress stuff really had anything to do with it. Seems like a joke that backfired.

Team Fortress 2
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Hours played

Recent Activity
49.8 hours past 2 weeks

I think the dude quite literally chose playing games over caring for the animal he took responsibility for.

Yes, it's a good thing he gave it away to somebody who will actually care, but it's no heroic act. It's him basically giving the animal away so it doesn't die under his watch.


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devilminion
02/24/24 2:07:51 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
He has over 3,400 hours in TF2 and his average playtime is either 49.8 hours per week, or for two weeks (unclear, since it doesn't specify), according to Steam, which is an insane amount either way. So, yes, he effectively has chosen playing Steam games over caring for his dog, so giving it away isn't a brave act, it's a basic act of mercy.

Those hours are most likely inflated due to a third party program. If you check his screenshots, he shows off multiple 300+ item "hauls", which reads to me like an idle program running to farm items. Which he then trades/sells on the marketplace

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:09:42 AM
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devilminion posted...
Those hours are most likely inflated due to a third party program. If you check his screenshots, he shows off multiple 300+ item "hauls", which reads to me like an idle program running to farm items. Which he then trades/sells on the marketplace

He also has over 500 hours in Apex, 1,500 hours in Counterstrike, and 100+ hours in countless other games, all with last played dates being literally today.

I will never believe this guy had actual life commitments that impacted his ability to take care of his pet. He chose gaming life. Thank god he gave the pet away, but it's nothing to praise him over.

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Naysaspace
02/24/24 2:14:08 AM
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See, this is a prime example of community notes being completely highjacked by trolls. "He has been facing financial struggles, its justified!". Who knew that 740 worth of micro transactions was a major budget item for those struggling!

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Foppe
02/24/24 2:19:04 AM
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He most likely starts the game and lets it run in the background when he takes care of the dog.

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devilminion
02/24/24 2:20:01 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
He also has over 500 hours in Apex, 1,500 hours in Counterstrike, and 100+ hours in countless other games, all with last played dates being literally today.

If anything, that actually helps my theory that he is using third party programs. You can run these games in the background of your computer, idling to collect items, without actually playing them. You just have to check in every so often to redeem them. Which, again, explains the multiple screenshots he has of getting 300+ items in TF2

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:23:56 AM
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devilminion posted...
If anything, that actually helps my theory that he is using third party programs. You can run these games in the background of your computer, idling to collect items, without actually playing them. You just have to check in every so often to redeem them. Which, again, explains the multiple screenshots he has of getting 300+ items in TF2

So, in other words, he focused on trying to exploit numerous online games over caring for his dog.

Not sure how this is an argument against what I'm saying.

He sounds like an awful person who never should have had a pet in the first place, so any story attempting to paint this as a "feel good" moment is dumb.

It's also incredibly likely this is all staged for attention, which, honestly, would be even more pathetic.

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ai123
02/24/24 2:26:12 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I think the dude quite literally chose playing games over caring for the animal he took responsibility for.

Yes, it's a good thing he gave it away to somebody who will actually care, but it's no heroic act. It's him basically giving the animal away so it doesn't die under his watch.
I have no idea what his circumstances are. Just because you can sit in a chair and play a game, doesn't mean you can look after a dog.

Either way, that was the best outcome for the pet. No, it doesn't make him a hero. It's a pretty obvious/basic thing to do for an animal.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:28:32 AM
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ai123 posted...
I have no idea what his circumstances are. Just because you can sit in a chair and play a game, doesn't mean you can look after a dog.

I feel like it kinda... does? Like, if you have the time to sit in a chair and game all day, you have time to meet the basic needs of a pet.

Granted, my main gripe is how gaming media is painting this story. They're trying to paint it like this feel good moment, like "This guy cared about his dog so much he knew when to give it away," when it seems very clear he never cared about the dog in the first place, if he couldn't stop averaging 50 hours per week gaming.

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Guide
02/24/24 2:29:13 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
See, this is a prime example of community notes being completely highjacked by trolls. "He has been facing financial struggles, its justified!". Who knew that 740 worth of micro transactions was a major budget item for those struggling!

Quite a few people make some cash by trading TF2 stuff, wouldn't be surprised if he was looking to flip it.

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viewmaster_pi
02/24/24 2:34:12 AM
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why was the dog even part of the equation? if his friend is taking the dog because he can't/doesn't want to care for it, why was this something put into the transaction and not just a personal thing that no one needed to even know about?

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:35:14 AM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
why was the dog even part of the equation? if his friend is taking the dog because he can't/doesn't want to care for it, why was this something put into the transaction and not just a personal thing that no one needed to even know about?

This is what leads me to believe the whole thing was staged for attention, which makes it even worse.

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devilminion
02/24/24 2:35:51 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
So, in other words, he focused on trying to exploit numerous online games over caring for his dog.

Not sure how this is an argument against what I'm saying.

Because your argument was that he was "playing games instead of caring for his dog", but people who exploit the marketplace aren't actually playing the games. They are running third party programs in the background, which takes 0 effort. They can easily do other things (like feed a dog) while the programs are running.

Also, since Guide mentioned that people make a lot of money on TF2 cosmetics, here is the official marketplace for TF2. Note how expensive some of these items are. And this isn't even one of the grey market trading sites, where other things get traded.
https://steamcommunity.com/market/search?appid=440#p1_price_desc

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ai123
02/24/24 2:36:17 AM
#34:


StealThisSheen posted...
I feel like it kinda... does? Like, if you have the time to sit in a chair and game all day, you have time to meet the basic needs of a pet.

Granted, my main gripe is how gaming media is painting this story. They're trying to paint it like this feel good moment, like "This guy cared about his dog so much he knew when to give it away," when it seems very clear he never cared about the dog in the first place, if he couldn't stop averaging 50 hours per week gaming.
Everyone wants the clicks, so it's either 'obsessed weirdo nerd sells dog for game shit', or 'hero gives up beloved pet in tragic circumstances'.

When really, none of this is even noteworthy.

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archizzy
02/24/24 2:37:11 AM
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It sounds like his parents probably did most of the caring for the dog as its become a lot more problematic after they left. Sounds like his personal commitments are gaming related and he lacks personal responsibility.

Im an animal lover in general but especially love dogs and my two that I miss terribly to this day were my whole world for 13 years where I gave them all of my focus. So when I see something like this I think fuck him and I hope his gaming computer takes a shit.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:37:18 AM
#36:


devilminion posted...
They can easily do other things (like feed a dog) while the programs are running.

Yet this guy couldn't, somehow, which kinda... Validates my entire point? He had time to be running all of these exploits, but couldn't find time to feed his dog, apparently?

Likewise, like viewmaster said... Why was the dog part of the "transaction" in the first place? If he couldn't take care of the dog, why not just give it to the friend? Why make it a part of a literal game transaction?

This whole thing stinks.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:39:21 AM
#37:


ai123 posted...
Everyone wants the clicks, so it's either 'obsessed weirdo nerd sells dog for game shit', or 'hero gives up beloved pet in tragic circumstances'.

When really, none of this is even noteworthy.

While none are noteworthy, the former seems more accurate, so painting it as the latter is kinda gross.

EDIT: And I don't mean you are, but gaming media is.

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devilminion
02/24/24 2:47:40 AM
#38:


StealThisSheen posted...
Yet this guy couldn't, somehow, which kinda... Validates my entire point?

Not really. Again, you pointed out that he has 50 hours/2 weeks in these games, and chose them over the dog. My entire point is that it takes 0 effort to run third party programs to farm items, so those inflated hours shouldn't even be taken into consideration. So there must be other reasons for him being unable to care for the dog.

Likewise, like viewmaster said... Why was the dog part of the "transaction" in the first place? If he couldn't take care of the dog, why not just give it to the friend? Why make it a part of a literal game transaction?

First, it was a steam transaction, not a game transaction. I feel like you are getting the marketplace mixed up with TF2 game itself. Second, since this person is an active trader in the marketplace, it was likely a lot easier for him to get it in that form. Plus, the fact that his friend had 450 keys in the first place means that he is also an active trader. Some people just prefer using alternate methods of payment.

Honestly, this could just as easily been a story about a guy selling his dog for crypto coins.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 2:50:36 AM
#39:


devilminion posted...
Honestly, this could just as easily been a story about a guy selling his dog for crypto coins.

Which is literally no better, so I still fail to see what point you're trying to make. Again, if he couldn't take care of the dog, the right thing to do would be giving it to somebody who could... Not making it a part of some crypto/game/whatever transaction. If you can't take care of it, then you shouldn't be placing some kind of "monetary" value on it, period. Doing the right thing would be giving it to a proper home, not trying to profit off of it in any way.

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02/24/24 3:01:19 AM
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PraxagoraKassan
02/24/24 3:07:31 AM
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Uhh I don't get why this is news

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devilminion
02/24/24 3:12:49 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Which is literally no better, so I still fail to see what point you're trying to make. Again, if he couldn't take care of the dog, the right thing to do would be giving it to somebody who could... Not making it a part of some crypto/game/whatever transaction. If you can't take care of it, then you shouldn't be placing some kind of "monetary" value on it, period. Doing the right thing would be giving it to a proper home, not trying to profit off of it in any way.

I feel I've made my point three times so far - his decision to sell the dog had nothing to do with "choosing gaming over a sick dog".

You can certainly judge him for putting a dollar sign on the dog, which I do agree with you would be a scummy thing to do, but only if he was the one who approached the friend with the price tag. We don't know if the friend was the one to offer up the keys as compensation for taking the family dog.

PraxagoraKassan posted...
Uhh I don't get why this is news
Because it is easy click-bait. "Man trades dog for video game cosmetics" is a lot more sensational than "Man sells sick dog to friend"

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 3:17:00 AM
#42:


devilminion posted...
We don't know if the friend was the one to offer up the keys as compensation for taking the family dog.

Literally none of this matters. By the seller's own admission, he couldn't take care of the dog. Therefore, he shouldn't have had to be offered anything to take it from him. That implies the seller did, indeed, want something for the dog, a dog which he admitted he couldn't take care of.

I feel like you're trying to play with semantics to relieve the owner, somewhat, and the only part I don't really get is why.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 3:24:04 AM
#43:


Like, let me make my point very clear.

Regardless of whether the guy actually plays games 50 hours a week, or just uses exploits 50 hours a week... He literally said he couldn't take care of the dog. Thus, he should just... Give the dog away. It doesn't matter who came up with the idea for the compensation, the actual monetary transaction should have never taken place. It should have been just... Him giving the dog to a better home, since he flat out said he couldn't take care of it.

So my main assertion, this whole time, has been that he was a shitty owner, since he chose to sell a dog he didn't want anymore, instead of giving it away, regardless of why, and that I don't like that the gaming media is painting this as "Hero gives up cherished pet for pet's benefit!"

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tripleh213
02/24/24 3:28:09 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2eed7fe3.jpg

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viewmaster_pi
02/24/24 3:39:19 AM
#45:


devilminion posted...
We don't know if the friend was the one to offer up the keys as compensation for taking the family dog.
sweet deal, pay someone to take care of their old dog for them. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/613c3546.jpg

nothing about the situation passes the smell test. won't be surprised if we suddenly see a crowdfund thing start up to donate to the poor epic gamer so he can buy dog food and stop putting his money into virtual trinkets on steam


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devilminion
02/24/24 3:52:03 AM
#46:


StealThisSheen posted...
Therefore, he shouldn't have had to be offered anything to take it from him. That implies the seller did, indeed, want something for the dog

That is quite the twist in logic. Just because someone can't handle something anymore, doesn't mean if offered, they will reject an offer. Remember, he was going to give the dog up for adoption, which means he wouldn't have gotten anything, so clearly he was willing to receive nothing for it.

I feel like you're trying to play with semantics to relieve the owner, somewhat, and the only part I don't really get is why.

At first, it was just to correct the misconception on TF2 keys and how the marketplace works. But you have been pretty adamant about this guy being the devil-incarnate, when we don't actually know what was preventing him from taking care of the dog. I've known people who have had to give up pets due to their own illnesses, and it's an extremely hard process. Even harder when the person doesn't have anyone close by to take the pet. Thankfully, he had a friend who already had a bond with the dog.

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Thus, he should just... Give the dog away. It doesn't matter who came up with the idea for the compensation, the actual monetary transaction should have never taken place. It should have been just... Him giving the dog to a better home, since he flat out said he couldn't take care of it.

And he did give the dog to a better home. He didn't drop it off at the shelter, he gave it to someone who knew the dog, and had a good relationship with it.

And again, if he was the one who approached the friend for the keys, then shame on him. But I won't drag him in the mud for accepting something, if the friend was the one who offered it up.

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Dolph_Ziggler
02/24/24 4:51:38 AM
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Apparently no one read the article

He says the pair had discussed the option and things like covering what may be considerable medical expenses, and while OZest was insistent on paying in full they've agreed to split any bills 50/50.
It was while they were getting into the nuts-and-bolts of looking after the dog that the pair also began to discuss a TF2 item owned by Gummy, the Burning Flames Polar Pullover, which OZest wanted to buy for keys. And here's where things get even more interesting, as it turns out what lots of folk thought was a cruel joke with an animal as the punchline was about settling the medical bills between the pair.
"I was already offered a higher amount by another buyer (5400 keys which was around 8100 USD), and OZest offered a similar/higher amount as well (5450 keys, around 8175 USD)," says Gummy. "So after some discussion, I would discount the item for him for 450 keys (which can be sold for around 700 USD) to cover the 50% that I offered to pay on the dog's medical bills, and for him to settle any remaining medical bills on the dog.

He didn't sell the dog for 450 keys, it was a "discount" on a cosmetic to cover the dog's medical bills. He was already going to give the dog to the guy. He was only included in the transcript of the trade as a joke that got out of hand on the TF2 backpack forums.

Also, TIL there are TF2 items that people value for over $8,000

Transcript of the "sale"
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02/24/24 5:01:08 AM
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ViewtifulJoe
02/24/24 5:06:55 AM
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I normally dislike the gambling aspect of TF2 and try not to give it any attention, but he's gotta tell us what he got out of the lootboxes this time.

Lol at the guy who thinks the TF2 trader is spending all that time playing the game and not afking in an idle/trade server.

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