Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Day 1: Looking for Love in All the Wrong Places

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Town List
Ulti - Feels genuine, we like that.
Red - Scum don't really need to beg for a date, if you think about it for a bit (Might be hard for Lopen to process though he doesn't seem to like thinking about mechanics BLESS HIS HEART)
FD - Big mad, big town!?
Kirby - Complimented me. Good enough for now.

Lopen posted...

What does that achieve exactly and why would he want to do that

So you wouldn't be flipping out over him not showing deference to you like this lol.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I clearly posted that as a joke. Calm down.

MAKE ME!

Lopen, I know you're Lopening, but I just think you're trying to project a little too hard about how you think Peaf plays in your ideal world, and maybe not how he actually plays. Peaf rarely treats me differently in mafia games no matter what happened in the previous game. I don't really see him as someone that changes up his playbook from game to game that much. The concept that he would definitely carry in a grudge from the previous game and play differently isn't super believable to me.

Basically I find trying to get into the head of people I don't know very well isn't a good way to try to catch scum, Lopen.

You COULD be right. However long term I think this type of tell is rand at best, and not really scum indicative. Peaf could be a wolf, but this line of thought is shaky and won't ever convince me. Other things might though, so I won't let your poor argumentation lead to me town reading peaf for no reason.

Let's be real we're just going to shrugkill Mzero today lol

SirChris posted...

So you wouldn't be flipping out over him not showing deference to you like this lol.

So he's going to avoid engaging me so I don't mention him?

But how does that help if I am suspecting his mates

And how does that stop others from suspecting him-- why does he hold my suspicion above others? Feels like he shouldn't care either way.

Scum would want to suppress loud town voices which is kinda what he was playing. Doubly applies if my suspect list was good.

I dunno man you're devils advocating super hard here. Like you're trying to frame everything he does as "why would scum do this" when there is a much stronger argument for "why would town do this" (that you're self-admittedly unaware of-- so again why argue so hard)

I am not devil's advocating here I am saying your argument isn't a good one. I am in fact the angel in this situation.

SirChris posted...

Let's be real we're just going to shrugkill Mzero today lol

I won't allow this Mzero may break my heart over and over again but I dont want Mzero to be out day 1 kill it happens far to often

SirChris posted...

Let's be real we're just going to shrugkill Mzero today lol

How did I go from a love triangle with Sultan and JC to dying? :(

MZero posted...

How did I go from a love triangle with Sultan and JC to dying? :(

It felt like a good joke to make tbh

We do tend to shrugkill you a lot.

SirChris posted...

Red - Scum don't really need to beg for a date, if you think about it for a bit (Might be hard for Lopen to process though he doesn't seem to like thinking about mechanics BLESS HIS HEART)

I mostly agree with this. Do you think Sultan or FD pondering taking him up on it but hesitant to make the first move mean anything?

I was going to wait to hear more from Sultan through the day before making any judgements on it, but I found it interesting.

MZero posted...

I'm with FD here. It's very annoying when someone calls you out on something that was just explained within the last hour.

Not scummy, mind you. I get the frustration though

I agree with Ulti this post isn't great.

EDumey posted...

I mostly agree with this. Do you think Sultan or FD pondering taking him up on it but hesitant to make the first move mean anything?

I was going to wait to hear more from Sultan through the day before making any judgements on it, but I found it interesting.

Not really. Sultan and FD aren't the type to really do anything super rash as either alignment.

I'm going to champion the easy bucket

If I must protect Mzero or Isquen it will be my charge

Someone else must help protect these poor sinners as I cannot help them all

Anyway Lopen try to keep up. You've been stuck on peaf for like 20 years while I've found new scum reads, new town reads, and managed to engage with everyone else.

You're slowing down in your old age, old man.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Youre probably joking but I think post 190 is red flag central.

what's wrong with it

for the record scum Ulti last game called it a red flag that I wasn't tunneling him immediately. Just something to keep in mind!

Gun to head my scumteam is

Sir Chris
Peaf
Dumey

What a terrifying scum trio that would be

I could see Dumey being a wolf, and you may have hit luckily on peaf tbh

ANyway one thing to keep in mind is we're really, really unlikely to hit scum early in this game based off the design of the game.

What is going to be needed in later days is mapping out how the dates went and really delving deep. Also paying attention to the reads and ideas of the dead is super important.

If Peaf and Dumey pair up be extra concerned

Sir Chris if scum is likely the one gambling with trying to win over town because he has a silken tongue

Yeah yeah fear me etc

'whats wrong with it' is a scum response btw, Lopen. If you pair up with Mzero and he is scum I am going to shame you jokingly post game.

SirChris posted...

'whats wrong with it' is a scum response btw, Lopen. If you pair up with Mzero and he is scum I am going to shame you jokingly post game.

What's wrong with it tho

SirChris posted...

'whats wrong with it' is a scum response btw, Lopen. If you pair up with Mzero and he is scum I am going to shame you jokingly post game.

literally said it last game as town but "okay"

MZero posted...

literally said it last game as town but "okay"

This is also a scum response.

Lopen posted...

I'm going to champion the easy bucket

If I must protect Mzero or Isquen it will be my charge

Someone else must help protect these poor sinners as I cannot help them all

"I'll volunteer myself to pair up with someone that isn't likely to change up in the last half of the day."

How brave and virtuous of you Lopen.

Town don't need to reflect back on their town games to defend themselves.

But not like I can kill you for it or anything. That's kind of the fun thing about this game tbh and understanding night kills etc. Very scum sided setup but fun.

EDumey posted...

I mostly agree with this. Do you think Sultan or FD pondering taking him up on it but hesitant to make the first move mean anything?

I was going to wait to hear more from Sultan through the day before making any judgements on it, but I found it interesting.
Well I was debating it. I also wanted to give feelers out. Like I said red is a hard read for me and getting to chat with red would have been interesting. Other option for the same kind thing would be to go with death or you. Probably

Concentrated disinformation campaign by Sir Chris Dumey and Peaf on Lopen

Please be aware

Do not date these men

Okay I think Lopen is town because I don't think scum Lopen is so delusional as to dream up that all 3 scum are deciding he is a silly billy.

Tentative but for now he's ok

I issue a challenge to Sir Chris Dumey and Peaf to never date each other

Who is man enough to accept? All 3? I would be shocked if more than one accept.

Declined out of sheer Spite.

SirChris posted...

Okay I think Lopen is town because I don't think scum Lopen is so delusional as to dream up that all 3 scum are deciding he is a silly billy.

Tentative but for now he's ok

You're not saying I'm a silly Billy actually for the record

Your disinformation campaign piece is definitely more nuanced

##Date: Peaf

Literally just to antagonize Lopen.

Edumey is probably a wolf tbh but I appreciate the spiting lopen for fun in a non-alignment way

SirChris posted...

Declined out of sheer Spite.

Why spite? What have I done to earn spite we had good conversation

People I think are wolf rn:

Edumey
Mzero

Null
Peaf

Town
Everyone else who I have said

Note two out of three suspects are pretending to have a need to "spite" me (convenient excuse)

Lopen posted...

Why spite? What have I done to earn spite we had good conversation

I meant it jokingly.

SirChris posted...

Town don't need to reflect back on their town games to defend themselves.

But not like I can kill you for it or anything. That's kind of the fun thing about this game tbh and understanding night kills etc. Very scum sided setup but fun.

it's very common for players to defend themselves using past town games though

UltimaterializerX posted...

Last game has no bearing on this one, and I was town last game isnt really a defense for being suspicious in this one.

You have a long history of coming after me, usually correctly. So why are you not coming after me this game despite thinking I made an annoying play?

And dont give me game mechanics as a reason. I want a better explanation than that.

I'm not using game mechanics as a reason, I'm using past behavior. I've seen you do this as town a million times, I'm not going to keep tunneling you over it when I know it's not alignment indicative. I'm not that stubborn

I just have no reason to limit any of my options for any reason since your demands aren't meaningful or impact me.

Lopen is towny to be this is actually reminding me of literally just last game lol Reading day 1 and talking with Lopen in DTC.
Confidence read like 75%