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Xenogears15 02/28/24 8:24:13 AM #101:	1337toothbrush posted... Where in this situation is it mandatory that biden supports genocide? Because believe it or not, sadly most people in this country support Israel and/or don't give two shits about the Palestinian people. Abandoning Israel would be much, much more damaging to his campaign than helping them. It's not that hard. Like it or not, our views about Israel are in the minority here. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979089013] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>Where in this situation is it mandatory that biden supports genocide?</quote>Because believe it or not, sadly most people in this country support Israel and/or don't give two shits about the Palestinian people. Abandoning Israel would be much, much more damaging to his campaign than helping them.It's not that hard. Like it or not, our views about Israel are in the minority here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 02/28/24 8:42:00 AM #102:	1337toothbrush posted... It's disgusting that you're this dismissive of genocide. It is, because your concern isn't genuine. You intentionally push this narrative that isn't being realistic. Its not as simple as you try to make it sound. Plenty have explained why your so called concerns are not actually serious as you continuously suggest something that isnt beibg realistic. But you and I both know your true agenda here. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:979089192] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>It's disgusting that you're this dismissive of genocide.</quote>It is, because your concern isn't genuine. You intentionally push this narrative that isn't being realistic.Its not as simple as you try to make it sound. Plenty have explained why your so called concerns are not actually serious as you continuously suggest something that isnt beibg realistic. But you and I both know your true agenda here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 02/28/24 9:01:08 AM #103:	Xenogears15 posted... Because believe it or not, sadly most people in this country support Israel and/or don't give two shits about the Palestinian people. Abandoning Israel would be much, much more damaging to his campaign than helping them. It's not that hard. Like it or not, our views about Israel are in the minority here. ?? 68% of US respondents support a ceasefire: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war 45% of Dems say Israel is going to far in its military operation: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/08/americans-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/ 64% of Dems think US negotiate a permanent ceasefire: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israeli-hamas-war-poll-9f9e9bd2ea595ece43f151d8722e47ad 75% of voters under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling of the crisis, 57% of entire population: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.html Even among Republicans and Jews in the US support for a cease fire is higher than opposition of it & 61% of Dems support a cease fire: https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/ 50% of Biden voters think Israel is committing genocide: https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T 63% of Democrats, 67% of adults younger than 35, and 64% people of color disapprove of Israel's actions: https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx 63% of Dems say Israel has gone too far, 70% of Dems under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1 --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:979089355] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>Because believe it or not, sadly most people in this country support Israel and/or don't give two shits about the Palestinian people. Abandoning Israel would be much, much more damaging to his campaign than helping them.It's not that hard. Like it or not, our views about Israel are in the minority here.</quote>??68% of US respondents support a ceasefire:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war45% of Dems say Israel is going to far in its military operation:https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/08/americans-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/64% of Dems think US negotiate a permanent ceasefire:https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israeli-hamas-war-poll-9f9e9bd2ea595ece43f151d8722e47ad75% of voters under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling of the crisis, 57% of entire population:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.htmlEven among Republicans and Jews in the US support for a cease fire is higher than opposition of it & 61% of Dems support a cease fire:https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/50% of Biden voters think Israel is committing genocide:https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T63% of Democrats, 67% of adults younger than 35, and 64% people of color disapprove of Israel's actions:https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx63% of Dems say Israel has gone too far, 70% of Dems under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling:https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 02/28/24 9:01:56 AM #104:	Xenogears15 posted... Because believe it or not, sadly most people in this country support Israel and/or don't give two shits about the Palestinian people. Abandoning Israel would be much, much more damaging to his campaign than helping them. It's not that hard. Like it or not, our views about Israel are in the minority here. Yet here's this campaign showing how a significant portion of people are against the genocide and it gets shouted down with "YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE TRUMP WIN" or mocking dismissal. If you're fine with losing these votes, then sure. You don't get to dictate how people vote. LightningThief posted... It is, because your concern isn't genuine. You intentionally push this narrative that isn't being realistic. Its not as simple as you try to make it sound. Plenty have explained why your so called concerns are not actually serious as you continuously suggest something that isnt beibg realistic. But you and I both know your true agenda here. What the fuck kind of post is this? You're trying to tell me how I actually feel and making claims that I have a hidden agenda. If you want to argue with someone you've made up in your head, do both of us a favor and don't direct your posts at me. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979089359] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>Because believe it or not, sadly most people in this country support Israel and/or don't give two shits about the Palestinian people. Abandoning Israel would be much, much more damaging to his campaign than helping them.It's not that hard. Like it or not, our views about Israel are in the minority here.</quote>Yet here's this campaign showing how a significant portion of people are against the genocide and it gets shouted down with "YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE TRUMP WIN" or mocking dismissal. If you're fine with losing these votes, then sure. You don't get to dictate how people vote.LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>It is, because your concern isn't genuine. You intentionally push this narrative that isn't being realistic.Its not as simple as you try to make it sound. Plenty have explained why your so called concerns are not actually serious as you continuously suggest something that isnt beibg realistic. But you and I both know your true agenda here.</quote>What the fuck kind of post is this? You're trying to tell me how I actually feel and making claims that I have a hidden agenda. If you want to argue with someone you've made up in your head, do both of us a favor and don't direct your posts at me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SilvosForever 02/28/24 9:04:35 AM #105:	As long as these not-commited voters don't vote for Trump in the general (and become the biggest hypocrites of all time), then it's all fine. --- All your favorite RPGs: http://www.youtube.com/user/silvosforever http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/silvosforever/funnygif.gif <cite>SilvosForever posted [p:979089379] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>As long as these not-commited voters don't vote for Trump in the general (and become the biggest hypocrites of all time), then it's all fine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybabe89 02/28/24 9:08:20 AM #106:	1337toothbrush posted... What the fuck kind of post is this? You're trying to tell me how I actually feel and making claims that I have a hidden agenda. If you want to argue with someone you've made up in your head, do both of us a favor and don't direct your posts at me. Then surely you believe the US has to do more than just stop allying with Israel. Because the genocide won't stop just because they can't get American money. They are still a country with a strong military and their own nuclear arsenal. Someone will back them. Or is genocide fine as long as you don't have to live with knowing your federal government doesn't give money to the bad guys? Why could your conscience handle Joe Biden and the Democrats allowing all the bad shit our government has allowed or perpetrated internationally until now? Saudi Arabia is an even worse country than Israel and they literally orchestrated 9/11 and have brutally murdered American citizens. Why wasn't that the breaking point? --- https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png she/her <cite>hockeybabe89 posted [p:979089414] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>What the fuck kind of post is this? You're trying to tell me how I actually feel and making claims that I have a hidden agenda. If you want to argue with someone you've made up in your head, do both of us a favor and don't direct your posts at me.</quote>Then surely you believe the US has to do more than just stop allying with Israel. Because the genocide won't stop just because they can't get American money. They are still a country with a strong military and their own nuclear arsenal. Someone will back them.Or is genocide fine as long as you don't have to live with knowing your federal government doesn't give money to the bad guys?Why could your conscience handle Joe Biden and the Democrats allowing all the bad shit our government has allowed or perpetrated internationally until now? Saudi Arabia is an even worse country than Israel and they literally orchestrated 9/11 and have brutally murdered American citizens. Why wasn't that the breaking point? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 02/28/24 9:08:39 AM #107:	1337toothbrush posted... What the fuck kind of post is this? You're trying to tell me how I actually feel and making claims that I have a hidden agenda. If you want to argue with someone you've made up in your head, do both of us a favor and don't direct your posts at me. You could do yourself a favor and just ignore. You're forcing yourself to defend your gimmick. When I'm done with a conversation or don't feel like responding to someone, I just don't repond to them anymore. Anyone who's been here long enough, knows your gimmick. My aim was to make sure anyone else unaware at least is aware to start tracking your gimmick to come to their own conclusion. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:979089417] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>What the fuck kind of post is this? You're trying to tell me how I actually feel and making claims that I have a hidden agenda. If you want to argue with someone you've made up in your head, do both of us a favor and don't direct your posts at me.</quote>You could do yourself a favor and just ignore. You're forcing yourself to defend your gimmick. When I'm done with a conversation or don't feel like responding to someone, I just don't repond to them anymore.Anyone who's been here long enough, knows your gimmick. My aim was to make sure anyone else unaware at least is aware to start tracking your gimmick to come to their own conclusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 02/28/24 9:11:28 AM #108:	Hornezz posted... ?? 68% of US respondents support a ceasefire: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war 45% of Dems say Israel is going too far in its military operation: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/08/americans-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/ 64% of Dems think US negotiate a permanent ceasefire: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israeli-hamas-war-poll-9f9e9bd2ea595ece43f151d8722e47ad 75% of voters under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling of the crisis, 57% of entire population: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.html Even among Republicans and Jews in the US support for a cease fire is higher than opposition of it & 61% of Dems support a cease fire: https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/ 50% of Biden voters think Israel is committing genocide: https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T 63% of Democrats, 67% of adults younger than 35, and 64% people of color disapprove of Israel's actions: https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx 63% of Dems say Israel has gone too far, 70% of Dems under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1 Now do polls for independents, who will decide this campaign, who are the voters thay Biden is aiming for. Supporting a ceasefire doesn't necessarily mean that one supports Palestine, for what it's worth. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979089446] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite><quote>??68% of US respondents support a ceasefire:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war45% of Dems say Israel is going too far in its military operation:https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/12/08/americans-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/64% of Dems think US negotiate a permanent ceasefire:https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-israeli-hamas-war-poll-9f9e9bd2ea595ece43f151d8722e47ad75% of voters under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling of the crisis, 57% of entire population:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.htmlEven among Republicans and Jews in the US support for a cease fire is higher than opposition of it & 61% of Dems support a cease fire:https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/50% of Biden voters think Israel is committing genocide:https://www.businessinsider.com/half-biden-voters-israel-genocide-palestinians-gaza-poll-2024-1?op=1&r=US&IR=T63% of Democrats, 67% of adults younger than 35, and 64% people of color disapprove of Israel's actions:https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx63% of Dems say Israel has gone too far, 70% of Dems under 30 disapprove of Biden's handling:https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1</quote>Now do polls for independents, who will decide this campaign, who are the voters thay Biden is aiming for. Supporting a ceasefire doesn't necessarily mean that one supports Palestine, for what it's worth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mystic_belmont 02/28/24 9:14:05 AM #109:	1337toothbrush posted... Again, this is a false dichotomy The election is going to come down to either Trump or Biden. Which is likely to do less harm? If Trump is elected, will that help or hurt Palestine, Israel, or NATO? --- "Freedom was meaningless without ownership and control over one's own body" -Tera Hunter 'Joy My Freedom' [Evil Republican] 3DS FC: 5429-7297-4842 <cite>mystic_belmont posted [p:979089484] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>Again, this is a false dichotomy</quote>The election is going to come down to either Trump or Biden. Which is likely to do less harm?If Trump is elected, will that help or hurt Palestine, Israel, or NATO? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 02/28/24 9:15:14 AM #110:	hockeybabe89 posted... Then surely you believe the US has to do more than just stop allying with Israel. Because the genocide won't stop just because they can't get American money. They are still a country with a strong military and their own nuclear arsenal. Someone will back them. The US should do what it can. The problem is that there isn't even the slightest attempt to rein in israel. They won't even stop vetoing UN resolutions against israel. LightningThief posted... You could do yourself a favor and just ignore. You're forcing yourself to defend your gimmick. When I'm done with a conversation or don't feel like responding to someone, I just don't repond to them anymore. Anyone who's been here long enough, knows your gimmick. My aim was to make sure anyone else unaware at least is aware to start tracking your gimmick to come to their own conclusion. I respond to counter your bullshit narrative. People like you spread lies and then claim that everyone holds these lies as fact. If you repeat a lie enough then it becomes the truth and you're taking advantage of that. I used to ignore these bullshit claims and focused solely on arguing points, but it only allowed people like you to control the narrative. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979089501] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>hockeybabe89 posted... </cite><quote>Then surely you believe the US has to do more than just stop allying with Israel. Because the genocide won't stop just because they can't get American money. They are still a country with a strong military and their own nuclear arsenal. Someone will back them.</quote>The US should do what it can. The problem is that there isn't even the slightest attempt to rein in israel. They won't even stop vetoing UN resolutions against israel.LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>You could do yourself a favor and just ignore. You're forcing yourself to defend your gimmick. When I'm done with a conversation or don't feel like responding to someone, I just don't repond to them anymore.Anyone who's been here long enough, knows your gimmick. My aim was to make sure anyone else unaware at least is aware to start tracking your gimmick to come to their own conclusion.</quote>I respond to counter your bullshit narrative. People like you spread lies and then claim that everyone holds these lies as fact. If you repeat a lie enough then it becomes the truth and you're taking advantage of that. I used to ignore these bullshit claims and focused solely on arguing points, but it only allowed people like you to control the narrative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 02/28/24 9:16:08 AM #111:	mystic_belmont posted... The election is going to come down to either Trump or Biden. Which is likely to do less harm? If Trump is elected, will that help or hurt Palestine, Israel, or NATO? Again, why is biden mandated to support genocide? --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979089516] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>mystic_belmont posted... </cite><quote>The election is going to come down to either Trump or Biden. Which is likely to do less harm?If Trump is elected, will that help or hurt Palestine, Israel, or NATO?</quote>Again, why is biden mandated to support genocide? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mystic_belmont 02/28/24 9:16:53 AM #112:	1337toothbrush posted... Again, why is biden mandated to support genocide? I don't even know what you are saying, can you restate it? --- "Freedom was meaningless without ownership and control over one's own body" -Tera Hunter 'Joy My Freedom' [Evil Republican] 3DS FC: 5429-7297-4842 <cite>mystic_belmont posted [p:979089527] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>Again, why is biden mandated to support genocide?</quote>I don't even know what you are saying, can you restate it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 02/28/24 9:19:45 AM #113:	mystic_belmont posted... I don't even know what you are saying, can you restate it? The choice between biden and trump has nothing to do with biden's own decision to support genocide. Why does biden have to support genocide? --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979089560] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>mystic_belmont posted... </cite><quote>I don't even know what you are saying, can you restate it?</quote>The choice between biden and trump has nothing to do with biden's own decision to support genocide. Why does biden have to support genocide? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Will_VIIII 02/28/24 9:20:26 AM #114:	1337toothbrush posted... The choice between biden and trump has nothing to do with biden's own decision to support genocide. Why does biden have to support genocide? Since you feel it's genocide, your tax dollars are funding it. If you have any conviction you'd quit your job and stop making purchases that are taxed. --- Advice from a dryer: Open the door to amazement. Don't shrink from your true calling. Accept life's wrinkles. Avoid overload. Reach into mystery! <cite>Will_VIIII posted [p:979089566] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>The choice between biden and trump has nothing to do with biden's own decision to support genocide. Why does biden have to support genocide?</quote>Since you feel it's genocide, your tax dollars are funding it. If you have any conviction you'd quit your job and stop making purchases that are taxed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-ZIO- 02/28/24 9:22:35 AM #115:	Will_VIIII posted... Since you feel it's genocide, your tax dollars are funding it. If you have any conviction you'd quit your job and stop making purchases that are taxed. "why don't you stop participating in society if you don't like said society" --- (He/Him) <cite>-ZIO- posted [p:979089595] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Will_VIIII posted... </cite><quote>Since you feel it's genocide, your tax dollars are funding it. If you have any conviction you'd quit your job and stop making purchases that are taxed.</quote>"why don't you stop participating in society if you don't like said society" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 02/28/24 9:22:41 AM #116:	Xenogears15 posted... Now do polls for independents, who will decide this campaign, who are the voters thay Biden is aiming for. Supporting a ceasefire doesn't necessarily mean that one supports Palestine, for what it's worth. Well, first of all, I think it's a really strange political strategy to go against the wishes of your own potential voter base just to appeal to independents. Regardless, you're still wrong: --- 57% of independents support US calling for a cease fire: https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/ 60% of independents support a cease fire: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48002-americans-support-ceasefires-israel-hamas-russia-ukraine-wars 25% approval of Biden's handling of Israel among independents: https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx 52% of independents say Israel has gone too far: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1 --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:979089599] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>Now do polls for independents, who will decide this campaign, who are the voters thay Biden is aiming for. Supporting a ceasefire doesn't necessarily mean that one supports Palestine, for what it's worth.</quote>Well, first of all, I think it's a really strange political strategy to go against the wishes of your own potential voter base just to appeal to independents.Regardless, you're still wrong:---57% of independents support US calling for a cease fire:https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/60% of independents support a cease fire:https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48002-americans-support-ceasefires-israel-hamas-russia-ukraine-wars25% approval of Biden's handling of Israel among independents:https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx52% of independents say Israel has gone too far:https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Will_VIIII 02/28/24 9:23:20 AM #117:	-ZIO- posted... "why don't you stop participating in society if you don't like said society" We should improve society somewhat. In this scenario that's a vote for Biden, to stop Trump. --- Advice from a dryer: Open the door to amazement. Don't shrink from your true calling. Accept life's wrinkles. Avoid overload. Reach into mystery! <cite>Will_VIIII posted [p:979089612] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>-ZIO- posted... </cite><quote>"why don't you stop participating in society if you don't like said society"</quote>We should improve society somewhat. In this scenario that's a vote for Biden, to stop Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 02/28/24 9:24:30 AM #118:	Hornezz posted... Well, first of all, I think it's a really strange political strategy to go against the wishes of your own potential voter base just to appeal to independents. Regardless, you're still wrong: --- 57% of independents support US calling for a cease fire: https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/ 60% of independents support a cease fire: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48002-americans-support-ceasefires-israel-hamas-russia-ukraine-wars 25% approval of Biden's handling of Israel among independents: https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx 52% of independents say Israel has gone too far: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1 Interesting. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:979089633] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Hornezz posted... </cite><quote>Well, first of all, I think it's a really strange political strategy to go against the wishes of your own potential voter base just to appeal to independents.Regardless, you're still wrong:---57% of independents support US calling for a cease fire:https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/u-s-polls-show-shifting-landscapes-on-gaza-ceasefire/60% of independents support a cease fire:https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48002-americans-support-ceasefires-israel-hamas-russia-ukraine-wars25% approval of Biden's handling of Israel among independents:https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx52% of independents say Israel has gone too far:https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1</quote>Interesting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mystic_belmont 02/28/24 9:25:40 AM #119:	1337toothbrush posted... The choice between biden and trump has nothing to do with biden's own decision to support genocide. Why does biden have to support genocide? I don't think he is, directly. He is working behind the scenes. Let's try a scenario: Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza. Immediately Biden loses most if not all evangelicals, Israel turns to our actual enemies for military support, and we lose any foothold in the middle east (which also affects our ability to likely use the Suez Canal). So now it's November, and Trump wins a second term. What do you think happens next? Biden has to be careful while he is negotiating. It's not fancy, it's not flashy, but it's how things are done. You also have to realize that Bibi would rather have Trump as President than Biden. BTW, you never answered why you are okay with us supporting Saudi Arabia, or any of the other questions. --- "Freedom was meaningless without ownership and control over one's own body" -Tera Hunter 'Joy My Freedom' [Evil Republican] 3DS FC: 5429-7297-4842 <cite>mystic_belmont posted [p:979089645] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>The choice between biden and trump has nothing to do with biden's own decision to support genocide. Why does biden have to support genocide?</quote>I don't think he is, directly. He is working behind the scenes.Let's try a scenario: Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza. Immediately Biden loses most if not all evangelicals, Israel turns to our actual enemies for military support, and we lose any foothold in the middle east (which also affects our ability to likely use the Suez Canal).So now it's November, and Trump wins a second term. What do you think happens next?Biden has to be careful while he is negotiating. It's not fancy, it's not flashy, but it's how things are done.You also have to realize that Bibi would rather have Trump as President than Biden.BTW, you never answered why you are okay with us supporting Saudi Arabia, or any of the other questions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybabe89 02/28/24 9:35:28 AM #120:	1337toothbrush posted... We could stop both if democrats wanted to, but clearly because "other guy bad" they just have to support genocide. But they don't want to, so you could limit the damage or give up and go "fuck everyone" But that's not very compassionate. Good people don't let everyone in a building die because some of the floors are already fucked. --- https://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png she/her <cite>hockeybabe89 posted [p:979089780] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>We could stop both if democrats wanted to, but clearly because "other guy bad" they just have to support genocide.</quote>But they don't want to, so you could limit the damage or give up and go "fuck everyone" But that's not very compassionate. Good people don't let everyone in a building die because some of the floors are already fucked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Block_that_Kick 02/28/24 9:40:47 AM #121:	I really dont think its going to be that close. Biden won by 154k votes in Michigan four years ago and the state government is now completely controlled by the Democrats. https://twitter.com/jefftimmer/status/1762840307912049136 --- The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off. <cite>Block_that_Kick posted [p:979089847] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>I really dont think its going to be that close. Biden won by 154k votes in Michigan four years ago and the state government is now completely controlled by the Democrats. https://twitter.com/jefftimmer/status/1762840307912049136 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 02/28/24 9:55:05 AM #122:	Will_VIIII posted... Since you feel it's genocide, your tax dollars are funding it. If you have any conviction you'd quit your job and stop making purchases that are taxed. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80377b14.jpg --- Asus ROG Strix Z790-E \| Core i9-13900k \| 64GB DDR5-6000 \| RTX 4090 24GB Dell AW3423DW QD-OLED - 1440p Ultrawide, 175hz, GSync <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:979090047] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Will_VIIII posted... </cite><quote>Since you feel it's genocide, your tax dollars are funding it. If you have any conviction you'd quit your job and stop making purchases that are taxed.</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80377b14.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Will_VIIII 02/28/24 9:57:47 AM #123:	DarthAragorn posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80377b14.jpg Yeah, a vote for Biden will improve society somewhat lol --- Advice from a dryer: Open the door to amazement. Don't shrink from your true calling. Accept life's wrinkles. Avoid overload. Reach into mystery! <cite>Will_VIIII posted [p:979090087] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80377b14.jpg</quote>Yeah, a vote for Biden will improve society somewhat lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountCorvinus 02/28/24 12:17:27 PM #124:	Marianne Williamson is at 22,711 votes with 37,000 ballots left to be counted. Wonder if she'll break 25k. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/marianne-williamson-unsuspends-presidential-campaign-rcna140882 Fuck yeah! She's back! --- All good to me is lost; Evil, be thou my Good (THEY/THEM) <cite>CountCorvinus posted [p:979092292] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Marianne Williamson is at 22,711 votes with 37,000 ballots left to be counted.Wonder if she'll break 25k. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/marianne-williamson-unsuspends-presidential-campaign-rcna140882Fuck yeah! She's back! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 02/28/24 1:29:18 PM #125:	Xenogears15 posted... There is a reason you will never be in command of any nation state that has any effect on overal world geopolitics. We had trump --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:979093701] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>There is a reason you will never be in command of any nation state that has any effect on overal world geopolitics.</quote>We had trump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 02/28/24 2:27:54 PM #126:	mystic_belmont posted... I don't think he is, directly. He is working behind the scenes. Let's try a scenario: Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza. Immediately Biden loses most if not all evangelicals, Israel turns to our actual enemies for military support, and we lose any foothold in the middle east (which also affects our ability to likely use the Suez Canal). So now it's November, and Trump wins a second term. What do you think happens next? Biden has to be careful while he is negotiating. It's not fancy, it's not flashy, but it's how things are done. You also have to realize that Bibi would rather have Trump as President than Biden. BTW, you never answered why you are okay with us supporting Saudi Arabia, or any of the other questions. Thank god someone actually gave a response. I was getting annoyed at the piss poor attempts at evasion and reframing the question. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:979094832] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>mystic_belmont posted... </cite><quote>I don't think he is, directly. He is working behind the scenes.Let's try a scenario: Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza. Immediately Biden loses most if not all evangelicals, Israel turns to our actual enemies for military support, and we lose any foothold in the middle east (which also affects our ability to likely use the Suez Canal).So now it's November, and Trump wins a second term. What do you think happens next?Biden has to be careful while he is negotiating. It's not fancy, it's not flashy, but it's how things are done.You also have to realize that Bibi would rather have Trump as President than Biden.BTW, you never answered why you are okay with us supporting Saudi Arabia, or any of the other questions.</quote>Thank god someone actually gave a response.I was getting annoyed at the piss poor attempts at evasion and reframing the question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mystic_belmont 02/28/24 3:03:43 PM #127:	Alteres posted... Thank god someone actually gave a response. I was getting annoyed at the piss poor attempts at evasion and reframing the question. Notice that it didn't get a response? --- "Freedom was meaningless without ownership and control over one's own body" -Tera Hunter 'Joy My Freedom' [Evil Republican] 3DS FC: 5429-7297-4842 <cite>mystic_belmont posted [p:979095477] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Alteres posted... </cite><quote>Thank god someone actually gave a response.I was getting annoyed at the piss poor attempts at evasion and reframing the question.</quote>Notice that it didn't get a response? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 02/28/24 4:43:18 PM #129:	1337toothbrush posted... No, this is just one reason why supporting genocide is stupid. You know, other than it being GENOCIDE. Anything to not vote the Democrat right? If there were no war you'd say inflation. If inflation didn't exist, you'd say Hunter Biden or find another excuse. These people acting like we don't know who they are or what their schtick is. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979097313] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>No, this is just one reason why supporting genocide is stupid. You know, other than it being GENOCIDE.</quote>Anything to not vote the Democrat right? If there were no war you'd say inflation. If inflation didn't exist, you'd say Hunter Biden or find another excuse. These people acting like we don't know who they are or what their schtick is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 02/28/24 5:15:59 PM #130:	mystic_belmont posted... Notice that it didn't get a response? It's almost like I have other things to do. Anyway, I just came back to the topic and was going to respond, but scrolled down to see you being so antagonistic. Maybe it'd be better if I don't respond to someone so quick to rush to a "point". ClayGuida posted... Anything to not vote the Democrat right? If there were no war you'd say inflation. If inflation didn't exist, you'd say Hunter Biden or find another excuse. These people acting like we don't know who they are or what their schtick is. I've said a trillion times that I vote democrat straight down the ballot every single election (and I vote in every election and primary), but you think any criticism of democrats automatically makes the critic a diehard maga trumper. That you think criticizing someone for supporting genocide is the same as criticizing hunter biden (who I don't give a fuck about at all) speaks volumes. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979097936] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>mystic_belmont posted... </cite><quote>Notice that it didn't get a response?</quote>It's almost like I have other things to do. Anyway, I just came back to the topic and was going to respond, but scrolled down to see you being so antagonistic. Maybe it'd be better if I don't respond to someone so quick to rush to a "point". ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>Anything to not vote the Democrat right? If there were no war you'd say inflation. If inflation didn't exist, you'd say Hunter Biden or find another excuse. These people acting like we don't know who they are or what their schtick is.</quote>I've said a trillion times that I vote democrat straight down the ballot every single election (and I vote in every election and primary), but you think any criticism of democrats automatically makes the critic a diehard maga trumper. That you think criticizing someone for supporting genocide is the same as criticizing hunter biden (who I don't give a fuck about at all) speaks volumes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 02/28/24 5:34:34 PM #131:	Acting like we didn't see your anti Biden bullshit non stop for 4 years. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979098262] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Acting like we didn't see your anti Biden bullshit non stop for 4 years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-ZIO- 02/28/24 5:38:28 PM #132:	God forbid someone criticizes Biden, even four years ago. I'm still waiting on that $2000 in my bank account immediately if they take Georgia. Anyway, those of you agnostic to the idea of calling out Biden on his actions with Israel might as well put on your MAGA hats, cause you're letting Trump win thinking shutting down the discourse is convincing people. And you can see that just with these results. 100K came out to vote uncommitted. Which is five times the average. --- (He/Him) <cite>-ZIO- posted [p:979098336] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>God forbid someone criticizes Biden, even four years ago. I'm still waiting on that $2000 in my bank account immediately if they take Georgia.Anyway, those of you agnostic to the idea of calling out Biden on his actions with Israel might as well put on your MAGA hats, cause you're letting Trump win thinking shutting down the discourse is convincing people.And you can see that just with these results. 100K came out to vote uncommitted. Which is five times the average. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 02/28/24 5:39:28 PM #133:	Your concern is noted. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979098355] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Your concern is noted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 02/28/24 5:41:06 PM #134:	If you want to criticize Biden about this topic, do it. I don't agree though and I think it just motivates potential Biden voters to stay home and not vote, leading to a better chance of Trump winning. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979098380] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>If you want to criticize Biden about this topic, do it. I don't agree though and I think it just motivates potential Biden voters to stay home and not vote, leading to a better chance of Trump winning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 02/28/24 5:44:27 PM #135:	emblem-man posted... If you want to criticize Biden about this topic, do it. I don't agree though and I think it just motivates potential Biden voters to stay home and not vote, leading to a better chance of Trump winning. No you see pointing this out is why Trump will (hopefully) win to these people. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979098439] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>If you want to criticize Biden about this topic, do it. I don't agree though and I think it just motivates potential Biden voters to stay home and not vote, leading to a better chance of Trump winning.</quote>No you see pointing this out is why Trump will (hopefully) win to these people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 02/28/24 5:46:25 PM #136:	-ZIO- posted... God forbid someone criticizes Biden, even four years ago. I'm still waiting on that $2000 in my bank account immediately if they take Georgia. Anyway, those of you agnostic to the idea of calling out Biden on his actions with Israel might as well put on your MAGA hats, cause you're letting Trump win thinking shutting down the discourse is convincing people. And you can see that just with these results. 100K came out to vote uncommitted. Which is five times the average. It's almost like the interactions between people aren't in a vacuum on every occurrence. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:979098478] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>-ZIO- posted... </cite><quote>God forbid someone criticizes Biden, even four years ago. I'm still waiting on that $2000 in my bank account immediately if they take Georgia.Anyway, those of you agnostic to the idea of calling out Biden on his actions with Israel might as well put on your MAGA hats, cause you're letting Trump win thinking shutting down the discourse is convincing people.And you can see that just with these results. 100K came out to vote uncommitted. Which is five times the average.</quote>It's almost like the interactions between people aren't in a vacuum on every occurrence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/28/24 5:48:36 PM #137:	On a related note I'm starting to get annoyed by all of the emails that Biden is sending me asking for money --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:979098521] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>On a related note I'm starting to get annoyed by all of the emails that Biden is sending me asking for money </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 02/28/24 6:02:45 PM #138:	emblem-man posted... If you want to criticize Biden about this topic, do it. I don't agree though and I think it just motivates potential Biden voters to stay home and not vote, leading to a better chance of Trump winning. We're just a bunch of old people set in our ways arguing on an old gaming website. Do you really think we're changing people's minds on who they will vote for? That's not my point anyway, my point is to acknowledge the faults of the only party we theoretically could get what we want from (but for one excuse or another, never can) because maybe we can figure out a way to pressure them into giving us what we want. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979098749] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>If you want to criticize Biden about this topic, do it. I don't agree though and I think it just motivates potential Biden voters to stay home and not vote, leading to a better chance of Trump winning.</quote>We're just a bunch of old people set in our ways arguing on an old gaming website. Do you really think we're changing people's minds on who they will vote for? That's not my point anyway, my point is to acknowledge the faults of the only party we theoretically could get what we want from (but for one excuse or another, never can) because maybe we can figure out a way to pressure them into giving us what we want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 02/28/24 6:05:27 PM #139:	Humble_Novice posted... Biden winning by overwhelming numbers and uncommitted getting double-digit support. Just as many of us here expected. Truth be told though, I was expecting uncommitted to get at least 20% or 30% of the votes due to how vocal their campaign had been online. They ultimately didn't even get enough to override his 2020 victory. He won MI by 155k in 2020 and Uncommitted came in at 100k. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:979098796] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>Biden winning by overwhelming numbers and uncommitted getting double-digit support. Just as many of us here expected. Truth be told though, I was expecting uncommitted to get at least 20% or 30% of the votes due to how vocal their campaign had been online.</quote>They ultimately didn't even get enough to override his 2020 victory.He won MI by 155k in 2020 and Uncommitted came in at 100k. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/28/24 6:15:05 PM #140:	mystic_belmont posted... Let's try a scenario: Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza. Immediately Biden loses most if not all evangelicals, Israel turns to our actual enemies for military support, and we lose any foothold in the middle east (which also affects our ability to likely use the Suez Canal). Why would Evangelicals that have morals in line with the Democrats be lost? They clearly know Jesus said "Pay on to Caesar that which is Caesar's. Pay on to God that which is God's ." Which means pay your taxes and keep your religion separate from government. Jesus said "Love your enemies" and " turn the other cheek". I could be wrong but I don't think Jesus was pro-genocide, that was old testament god. Israel should be our enemies when they commit genocide. That would actually make people in the region hate us less not more. Israel being our allies didn't help our troops from dying in Afghanistan for nothing. It didn't stop us from making up lies about weapons in Iraq. mystic_belmont posted... BTW, you never answered why you are okay with us supporting Saudi Arabia, or any of the other questions. It's not okay for Biden to support Saudi Arabia. I can just live with it just like I lived with apartheid Israel. We have to pick from a douche, a turd, or not vote. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80377b14.jpg <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:979098941] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>mystic_belmont posted...</cite><quote>Let's try a scenario: Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza. Immediately Biden loses most if not all evangelicals, Israel turns to our actual enemies for military support, and we lose any foothold in the middle east (which also affects our ability to likely use the Suez Canal).</quote>Why would Evangelicals that have morals in line with the Democrats be lost? They clearly know Jesus said "Pay on to Caesar that which is Caesar's. Pay on to God that which is God's ." Which means pay your taxes and keep your religion separate from government. Jesus said "Love your enemies" and " turn the other cheek". I could be wrong but I don't think Jesus was pro-genocide, that was old testament god.Israel should be our enemies when they commit genocide. That would actually make people in the region hate us less not more. Israel being our allies didn't help our troops from dying in Afghanistan for nothing. It didn't stop us from making up lies about weapons in Iraq.mystic_belmont posted...</cite><quote>BTW, you never answered why you are okay with us supporting Saudi Arabia, or any of the other questions.</quote>It's not okay for Biden to support Saudi Arabia. I can just live with it just like I lived with apartheid Israel. We have to pick from a douche, a turd, or not vote.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/80377b14.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 02/28/24 6:21:47 PM #141:	ButteryMales posted... Why would Evangelicals that have morals in line with the Democrats be lost? They clearly know Jesus said "Pay on to Caesar that which is Caesar's. Pay on to God that which is God's ." Which means pay your taxes and keep your religion separate from government. Jesus said "Love your enemies" and " turn the other cheek". I could be wrong but I don't think Jesus was pro-genocide, that was old testament god. Not sure if you're asking this question legitimately considering how much evangelicals support Trump of all people. Also, not everyone truly believes it a genocide, so you can't make the claim that evangelicals even share the same morals here. Supporting Israel is a popular stance among both Democrats and Republicans. Most people want a ceasefire, but not everyone agrees on what a ceasefire effectively means or what concessions Israel should accept for it. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979099039] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite><quote>Why would Evangelicals that have morals in line with the Democrats be lost? They clearly know Jesus said "Pay on to Caesar that which is Caesar's. Pay on to God that which is God's ." Which means pay your taxes and keep your religion separate from government. Jesus said "Love your enemies" and " turn the other cheek". I could be wrong but I don't think Jesus was pro-genocide, that was old testament god.</quote>Not sure if you're asking this question legitimately considering how much evangelicals support Trump of all people. Also, not everyone truly believes it a genocide, so you can't make the claim that evangelicals even share the same morals here. Supporting Israel is a popular stance among both Democrats and Republicans. Most people want a ceasefire, but not everyone agrees on what a ceasefire effectively means or what concessions Israel should accept for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/28/24 6:40:26 PM #142:	emblem-man posted... Not sure if you're asking this question legitimately considering how much evangelicals support Trump of all people. I rarely ask rhetorical questions. Getting an honest answer is the most effective way to continue a conversation. emblem-man posted... Also, not everyone truly believes it a genocide, so you can't make the claim that evangelicals even share the same morals here. The hypothetical was "Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza". I think people who deny genocide when Biden confirms it wouldn't be evangelicals that vote Democrat in the first place. emblem-man posted... Supporting Israel is a popular stance among both Democrats and Republicans. Most people want a ceasefire, but not everyone agrees on what a ceasefire effectively means or what concessions Israel should accept for it. At some point Biden can't please everyone. How much of the people that want to support Israel don't care what Israel does? Do they want to support Israel after there is an end to the genocide? Do they want support the Netanyahu government or the people of Israel? <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:979099327] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted...</cite><quote>Not sure if you're asking this question legitimately considering how much evangelicals support Trump of all people.</quote>I rarely ask rhetorical questions. Getting an honest answer is the most effective way to continue a conversation.emblem-man posted...</cite><quote>Also, not everyone truly believes it a genocide, so you can't make the claim that evangelicals even share the same morals here.</quote>The hypothetical was "Biden cuts off all aid, and says it's because Israel is committing genocide against the people in Gaza". I think people who deny genocide when Biden confirms it wouldn't be evangelicals that vote Democrat in the first place.emblem-man posted...</cite><quote>Supporting Israel is a popular stance among both Democrats and Republicans. Most people want a ceasefire, but not everyone agrees on what a ceasefire effectively means or what concessions Israel should accept for it.</quote>At some point Biden can't please everyone. How much of the people that want to support Israel don't care what Israel does? Do they want to support Israel after there is an end to the genocide? Do they want support the Netanyahu government or the people of Israel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 02/28/24 6:52:19 PM #143:	ButteryMales posted... At some point Biden can't please everyone. How much of the people that want to support Israel don't care what Israel does? Do they want to support Israel after there is an end to the genocide? Do they want support the Netanyahu government or the people of Israel? I think him saying no more cash aid to Israel would probably be fine and not cause to much votes to be lost. Him specifically calling out Israel as commiting genocide or essentially killing ties with Israel would lose an immense amount of his support. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979099528] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite><quote>At some point Biden can't please everyone. How much of the people that want to support Israel don't care what Israel does? Do they want to support Israel after there is an end to the genocide? Do they want support the Netanyahu government or the people of Israel?</quote>I think him saying no more cash aid to Israel would probably be fine and not cause to much votes to be lost. Him specifically calling out Israel as commiting genocide or essentially killing ties with Israel would lose an immense amount of his support. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 02/28/24 7:04:09 PM #144:	emblem-man posted... I think him saying no more cash aid to Israel would probably be fine and not cause to much votes to be lost. Him specifically calling out Israel as commiting genocide or essentially killing ties with Israel would lose an immense amount of his support. My question was why. People can put 2 and 2 together, they would know why he stopped cash aid to Israel either way. I don't think he would lose support and I've said why. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:979099732] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted...</cite><quote>I think him saying no more cash aid to Israel would probably be fine and not cause to much votes to be lost. Him specifically calling out Israel as commiting genocide or essentially killing ties with Israel would lose an immense amount of his support.</quote>My question was why. People can put 2 and 2 together, they would know why he stopped cash aid to Israel either way. I don't think he would lose support and I've said why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 02/28/24 9:06:07 PM #146:	-ZIO- posted... And you can see that just with these results. 100K came out to vote uncommitted. Which is five times the average. It's 3% higher than Obama dealt with in 2012. Yeah it's more numbers total, however a lot more people came out than normally do. Ultimately, Biden won MI by 155k and 100k is less than that so doesn't realistically threaten his chances of winning the state, especially since the Trump-Haley results are far more worrisome for him. I hope that Biden does listen to them and he has been, as recent reporting on meetings with Arab/Muslim leaders has shown shortly before he committed to working on a ceasefire. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:979101654] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>-ZIO- posted... </cite><quote>And you can see that just with these results. 100K came out to vote uncommitted. Which is five times the average.</quote>It's 3% higher than Obama dealt with in 2012. Yeah it's more numbers total, however a lot more people came out than normally do. Ultimately, Biden won MI by 155k and 100k is less than that so doesn't realistically threaten his chances of winning the state, especially since the Trump-Haley results are far more worrisome for him. I hope that Biden does listen to them and he has been, as recent reporting on meetings with Arab/Muslim leaders has shown shortly before he committed to working on a ceasefire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 02/29/24 12:16:30 AM #147:	ButteryMales posted... My question was why. People can put 2 and 2 together, they would know why he stopped cash aid to Israel either way. I don't think he would lose support and I've said why. Because less than a third of the public support decreasing aid to Israel. Most want to maintain or increase From a poll in Jan of this year https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/59ae1dc5.jpg Majority also think it's important to help Israel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d5af7971.jpg Cutting of ties with Israel is not a popular idea and it's very much worth asking what voted he would lose from doing so. Add in the fact that some have already made up their mind that Biden can't do anything to win them back. https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_HvTrDQB.pdf --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:979104386] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite><quote>My question was why. People can put 2 and 2 together, they would know why he stopped cash aid to Israel either way. I don't think he would lose support and I've said why.</quote>Because less than a third of the public support decreasing aid to Israel. Most want to maintain or increase From a poll in Jan of this yearhttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/59ae1dc5.jpgMajority also think it's important to help Israel.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d5af7971.jpgCutting of ties with Israel is not a popular idea and it's very much worth asking what voted he would lose from doing so.Add in the fact that some have already made up their mind that Biden can't do anything to win them back. https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_HvTrDQB.pdf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 02/29/24 12:42:31 AM #148:	Support for israel is based on decades of narrative pushed by western policies. Opinions will change as the truth comes out, as we can see now. We need politicians to push for this now instead of when it's convenient (or too late, seeing how aggressive israel is with its campaign of genocide). With your attitude, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would've happened much later. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979104735] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote>Support for israel is based on decades of narrative pushed by western policies. Opinions will change as the truth comes out, as we can see now. We need politicians to push for this now instead of when it's convenient (or too late, seeing how aggressive israel is with its campaign of genocide). With your attitude, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would've happened much later. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1337toothbrush 02/29/24 12:53:03 AM #150:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] 1337toothbrush posted... I don't know if you're unintentionally or intentionally misunderstanding me. I've always wanted the ceasefire. I'm saying that Biden's version of the ceasefire is going to be a brief pause at best with as little aid to Palestinians as israel can get away with and that is the best case given how Biden is so pathetically limp when it comes to israel and applying any sort of pressure. What I'm saying is that pointing to Biden "negotiating" (more like asking israel pretty please with a cherry on top) a ceasefire doesn't give me much hope given his track record. Does that make sense or are you going to continue misunderstanding and then go into future topics saying "toothbrush is a two-faced troll who takes opposing opinions from one second to the next!!!"? I fucking called it. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:979104831] in Michigan P... [t:80707589]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> 1337toothbrush posted... </cite><quote>I don't know if you're unintentionally or intentionally misunderstanding me. I've always wanted the ceasefire. I'm saying that Biden's version of the ceasefire is going to be a brief pause at best with as little aid to Palestinians as israel can get away with and that is the best case given how Biden is so pathetically limp when it comes to israel and applying any sort of pressure. What I'm saying is that pointing to Biden "negotiating" (more like asking israel pretty please with a cherry on top) a ceasefire doesn't give me much hope given his track record.Does that make sense or are you going to continue misunderstanding and then go into future topics saying "toothbrush is a two-faced troll who takes opposing opinions from one second to the next!!!"?</quote>I fucking called it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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