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invertedlegdrop 03/07/24 7:18:36 PM #1: |
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/oregon-is-ready-to-restart-the-drug-war/ar-BB1juSlK
In the November 2020 election, Oregon approved a historic ballot initiative that decriminalized small amounts of hard drugs, like meth, heroin, and crack. Under Measure 110, people caught with drugs were to be cited with a $100 fine, similar to a traffic ticket, that could be cleared by seeking treatment services, which would be expanded with millions in revenue from the state's taxation of recreational marijuana sales. Winning nearly 60 percent support, the initiative promised to treat drug use and addiction as a public-health problem, not a criminal matter - adopting the logic that incarceration does little to curb the harms of substance abuse. Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully... --- Political correctness is the fascism of the 90s-Roger Ebert I don't have pet peeves, I have major psychotic ******* hatreds-George Carlin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 03/07/24 7:19:16 PM #2: |
invertedlegdrop posted...
Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully...Portugal says hello. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xGhostchantx 03/07/24 7:20:23 PM #4: |
invertedlegdrop posted...
Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully... invertedlegdrop posted... a cautionary tale about the failure to match bold policy reform with competent administration It's almost like the problem is the goofballs doing the work and not the policy. also, DrizztLink posted... Portugal says hello. --- Tiw - Min scild, min sweord Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 03/07/24 7:21:09 PM #5: |
It's a shame they're abandoning it already. We'll truly never know if it works.
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DrizztLink 03/07/24 7:21:38 PM #6: |
ClayGuida posted...
It's a shame they're abandoning it already. We'll truly never know if it works.Portugal says hello to you as well. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jeremy517 03/07/24 7:21:42 PM #7: |
We have 50 years of evidence that locking up users doesn't work. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MC_BatCommander 03/07/24 7:25:06 PM #8: |
Going back to throwing drug addicts in prison is not the answer. This is why nothing ever gets better in this country, "we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
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Zikten 03/07/24 7:27:10 PM #9: |
Will Marijuana also be going back to criminalization? I don't know that I agree on the harder drugs. But Marijuana should not revert its status. It needs to be legal everywhere. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MC_BatCommander 03/07/24 7:29:12 PM #11: |
Zikten posted...
Will Marijuana also be going back to criminalization? I don't know that I agree on the harder drugs. But Marijuana should not revert its status. It needs to be legal everywhere. This measure had nothing to do with marijuana which was legalized years before --- The Legend is True! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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solosnake 03/07/24 7:30:01 PM #12: |
Might as well lock up the pot users too, they can have them do prison work for 80 cents an hour
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Smackems 03/07/24 7:31:23 PM #13: |
Hello topic I would like to reach Portugal?
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Full_Pokedex 03/07/24 7:37:52 PM #14: |
Good.
All non-medicinal drugs should be banned. Perod. --- Donkey Kong is our friend! Please call often DK, don't be a stranger! From Toadsworth, Mario Party 7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 03/07/24 7:40:10 PM #15: |
xGhostchantx posted...
It's almost like the problem is the goofballs doing the work and not the policy. also,The bungling was intentional. They wanted this to fail so they could say "see we tried!!!" And then go back to fucking people over. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkace77450 03/07/24 7:42:23 PM #16: |
ScazarMeltex posted... They wanted this to fail so they could say "see we tried!!!" And then go back to f***ing people over. Why would they bother going through the motions if they had no desire to see it succeed? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nasty_Nitro 03/07/24 7:47:42 PM #18: |
My cousin who lives out there said that what they arent telling us is that in 2020 cops were getting their asses handed to them in brawls on streets against dope fiends and being unable to find them again.
It was never about ending the drug war it was all about making cops jobs easier during that tough time for law enforcement lol. --- OG status Triple OG Status pipedown yung bol Im Neo Im Leo Im Desiax Clark ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 03/07/24 7:49:29 PM #19: |
darkace77450 posted...
Why would they bother going through the motions if they had no desire to see it succeed?To get people to shut the fuck up about it. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ArkhamOrigins 03/07/24 7:49:47 PM #20: |
Full_Pokedex posted...
Good. Oh Duncan. I don't even need to see your name to recognize your ignorant posts --- The ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VirtuousWrath 03/07/24 7:50:58 PM #21: |
Nasty_Nitro posted...
My cousin who lives out there said that what they arent telling us is that in 2020 cops were getting their asses handed to them in brawls on streets against dope fiends and being unable to find them again.By dope fiends you mean drug users, right? So what you're saying is, violent drug users beat the shit out of cops so they decriminalized? --- "I sung of chaos and eternal night, taught by the heav'nly muse to venture down the dark descent, and up to reascend... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoxObscuras 03/07/24 7:54:39 PM #22: |
invertedlegdrop posted...
Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully...No it isn't. Did you even read the article you quoted? They dropped the ball at almost every level. But the state bureaucracy also fumbled the implementation of Measure 110, attempting to delay and divert drug-treatment funding; failing to train law enforcement on steering drug users toward rehabilitation; and relying on a cumbersome call center that proved all-but feckless at moving people in out of the grip of addiction and into treatment.And instead of fixing those problems, they just said forget it and went back to throwing people in jail --- Steam/Xbox/PSN = NoxObscuras Z490 | i9-10900K | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3600 | 4TB SSD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chaos_knight 03/07/24 7:58:51 PM #23: |
America is going back to being tough on crime. Good.
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DrizztLink 03/07/24 8:00:57 PM #24: |
chaos_knight posted...
America is going back to being tough on crime. Good.It's astonishing how stupid this take is. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 03/07/24 8:01:29 PM #25: |
Full_Pokedex posted...
Good. Perod --- "I dreamt I was a moron." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TimeForAction 03/07/24 8:02:51 PM #26: |
I recently spent some time in Oregon and I agree with making it illegal again. The major cities are like Hamsterdam but with little to no benefits. Its even more sad juxtaposed with how beautiful the surrounding landscape is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 03/07/24 8:04:41 PM #27: |
TimeForAction posted...
I recently spent some time in Oregon and I agree with making it illegal again. The major cities are like Hamsterdam but with little to no benefits. Its even more sad juxtaposed with how beautiful the surrounding landscape is. Hamsterdam sounds like a cool place. --- "I dreamt I was a moron." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pas5wordFAQ 03/07/24 8:05:19 PM #28: |
MC_BatCommander posted...
Going back to throwing drug addicts in prison is not the answer. This is why nothing ever gets better in this country, "we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!" And we cannot get an honest report on the profitability of prison labor. --- A Password FAQ for Golden Sun ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 03/07/24 8:09:07 PM #29: |
chaos_knight posted...
America is going back to being tough on crime. Good.When was america not? Why else would we have the highest incarceration rate in the civilized world? --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chaos_knight 03/07/24 8:13:03 PM #30: |
DrizztLink posted...
It's astonishing how stupid this take is. Yet it's how the country is trending. Unless you want to call the country stupid. This is in blue states too. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 03/07/24 8:14:13 PM #31: |
invertedlegdrop posted...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/oregon-is-ready-to-restart-the-drug-war/ar-BB1juSlKWas it? Correlation is not, in fact, causation. Research from Portland State University has shown Measure 110 had "no impact" on violent crime and produced at most a "slight uptick" in property crime. Overdose deaths have indeed increased in Oregon - but the trajectory was rising before Measure 110's passage, and Oregon's rates are "no different from similar states," the academics write. --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkChozoGhost 03/07/24 8:20:41 PM #33: |
Cops purposely try to cause problems.
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DrizztLink 03/07/24 8:21:48 PM #34: |
chaos_knight posted...
Yet it's how the country is trending. Unless you want to call the country stupid. This is in blue states too.Oh gee, I'm sure afraid to do tha- Never mind, it's stupid. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mybbqrules 03/07/24 9:20:57 PM #36: |
Full_Pokedex posted...
Good.Duncan, https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f5e5c6fa.jpg Stick to pokemon and Subway. --- Currently playing: GTA trilogy, Super Mario Wonder Convicted criminal Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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archizzy 03/07/24 9:25:03 PM #37: |
Haha I miss Stuart sketches. That poster is awesome.
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mybbqrules 03/07/24 9:29:21 PM #38: |
darkace77450 posted...
Why would they bother going through the motions if they had no desire to see it succeed?So they can say "we tried" before going back to what clearly wasn't working but making them a whole lot of fucking money. Because it behooves law enforcement to keep the "free labor for prisons" pipeline open. Law enforcement doesn't want to end crime. Why would they? If they did, they'd be out of a fucking job. It's like all the dipshit right wing politicians honking about the border. They don't want the border closed, because then they can't profit off all of that sweet undocumented labor. They'll just blame them for all of society's problems while continuing to exploit them. NoxObscuras posted... No it isn't. Did you even read the article you quoted? They dropped the ball at almost every level.I for one am amazed that someone I've had tagged as a trumper for years would post an article and comment in a way that shows they clearly didn't read the article beyond the headline. --- Currently playing: GTA trilogy, Super Mario Wonder Convicted criminal Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nasty_Nitro 03/07/24 9:50:49 PM #39: |
VirtuousWrath posted...
By dope fiends you mean drug users, right? Thats according to cousin. He said that cops were getting smoked in police chases and in on foot situations they were getting their asses kicked by methheads and heroine users on the street. Like they couldnt arrest them and nobody wanted to be the in the George Floyd (RIP) Derrick Chauvin situation. --- OG status Triple OG Status pipedown yung bol Im Neo Im Leo Im Desiax Clark ... Copied to Clipboard!
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R_Jackal 03/07/24 9:52:09 PM #40: |
I can't help but to feel like this was an experiment in how to make your correctional system collapse as quickly as possible. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 03/07/24 9:53:24 PM #41: |
Nasty_Nitro posted...
Thats according to cousin.oh well dang if your cousin says so then it must be pure truth --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nasty_Nitro 03/07/24 9:56:34 PM #42: |
DrizztLink posted...
oh well dang if your cousin says so then it must be pure truth True but i can believe they were getting crazy out there in 2020. Theres plenty of local news that you wouldnt know in every city --- OG status Triple OG Status pipedown yung bol Im Neo Im Leo Im Desiax Clark ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 03/07/24 10:00:43 PM #43: |
Measure 110 now stands as a cautionary tale about the failure to match bold policy reform with competent administration. That's the important part. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkace77450 03/07/24 10:29:55 PM #44: |
mybbqrules posted... So they can say "we tried" before going back to what clearly wasn't working but making them a whole lot of fucking money. I wasnt talking about the cops. Oregons legislature is fairly progressive, no? Wouldnt they want to give this a good faith effort? I can see them bungling it through incompetence, but not sabotaging it out of the gate. Or maybe my notion of Oregons political leanings is faulty. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 03/07/24 10:36:11 PM #45: |
chaos_knight posted...
Yet it's how the country is trending. Unless you want to call the country stupid. This is in blue states too. Given how many problems that among the developed world only the US seems to have, while claiming nothing can be done, yes, I can confidently call the country stupid. --- "How is that a religious topic? That's just me talking about GOD." -Frostmourne ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 03/07/24 10:37:30 PM #46: |
Also,
Full_Pokedex posted... Good. First we should ban things that actually need to be, like your account. Oh wait. It already has been, its just this sites pathetic quality control allows people to circumvent bans with alts. --- "How is that a religious topic? That's just me talking about GOD." -Frostmourne ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KajeI 03/07/24 10:37:59 PM #47: |
Dark_Arbron posted...
Given how many problems that among the developed world only the US seems to have, while claiming nothing can be done, yes, I can confidently call the country stupid.For context, this user is not an american. However I am an american, and I can confidently say that yes, this country is fucking stupid. --- Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding and i can TELL you, always faster and easier to just kill em. Just is! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Murphiroth 03/07/24 10:46:12 PM #48: |
Full_Pokedex posted... Good. You should probably shut your mouth when the adults are talking. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pretzelcoatl 03/07/24 10:54:14 PM #49: |
I think there should be enforced treatment, not jail time. But having recently been to Portland, it's a huge problem. I think they decriminalized right as fentanyl was starting to take off, and it just completely demolished people out there. I understand why they stopped, and I understand why they're starting again. Same issue as removing juvenile detention centers and bail reform. It's completely half assed, they eliminate these things without having a clear and well supported alternative. You cannot half ass these things. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chaos_knight 03/07/24 10:56:51 PM #50: |
Treatment only works if the addict wants help. If forced to do it, they'll bide their time until out and use again first opportunity
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