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invertedlegdrop
03/07/24 7:18:36 PM
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/oregon-is-ready-to-restart-the-drug-war/ar-BB1juSlK

In the November 2020 election, Oregon approved a historic ballot initiative that decriminalized small amounts of hard drugs, like meth, heroin, and crack. Under Measure 110, people caught with drugs were to be cited with a $100 fine, similar to a traffic ticket, that could be cleared by seeking treatment services, which would be expanded with millions in revenue from the state's taxation of recreational marijuana sales. Winning nearly 60 percent support, the initiative promised to treat drug use and addiction as a public-health problem, not a criminal matter - adopting the logic that incarceration does little to curb the harms of substance abuse.

The Oregon experiment was unique in America, where on any given day 350,000 people - roughly the equivalent of the population of Cleveland - are locked up on drug offenses, and drug-possession arrests occur at a clip of one every 23 seconds. And the passage of Measure 110 was met with acclaim from reformers like Kassandra Frederique, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, who celebrated the "paradigm-shifting" victory as perhaps "the biggest blow to the war on drugs to date," while predicting Oregon would "serve as a model" for the nation.

Instead, three years later, Measure 110 now stands as a cautionary tale about the failure to match bold policy reform with competent administration. Last week, the Oregon state legislature completed an about-face in the state's novel approach to hard drugs - voting to recriminalize possession as a misdemeanor, with penalties of up to six months in jail. The vote was not close: The state House approved the bill 51-7, the state Senate piled on 21-8. The legislation is now awaiting the signature of Gov. Tina Kotek (D), who has signaled a willingness to sign it.

Score one for the Drug War.

The saying goes that "failure is an orphan." But the collapse of Oregon's bold experiment in drug decriminalization has many fathers. Some dynamics were outside of the easy control of local policymakers, including a rising tide of homelessness; the Covid-19 pandemic's hollowing out center-city commercial life; and the flood of dirt-cheap fentanyl, leading to a scourge of street overdose deaths.

But the state bureaucracy also fumbled the implementation of Measure 110, attempting to delay and divert drug-treatment funding; failing to train law enforcement on steering drug users toward rehabilitation; and relying on a cumbersome call center that proved all-but feckless at moving people in out of the grip of addiction and into treatment.

As blocks of beleaguered downtown Portland got overrun by open-air drug markets and unhoused people smoking and shooting drugs without consequence, Measure 110 became an attractive scapegoat for the explosion of urban blight.

Correlation is not, in fact, causation. Research from Portland State University has shown Measure 110 had "no impact" on violent crime and produced at most a "slight uptick" in property crime. Overdose deaths have indeed increased in Oregon - but the trajectory was rising before Measure 110's passage, and Oregon's rates are "no different from similar states," the academics write.

But politics are driven by perception. And by last spring, polling had turned decisively against the experiment, with 63 percent of voters supporting a return to criminal penalties for drug possession. This year, as deep-pocketed state business leaders threatened to launch a punitive recriminalization ballot measure, Oregon's Democratic-led legislature snapped to action to put its imprint on reform.

The bill now on the governor's desk would empower police to again arrest and incarcerate repeat, low-level drug users. Under the bill, counties can choose to offer a "deflection" program for arrestees who agree to enter treatment, enabling them to avoid jail time and a criminal record. The legislation also offers more than $200 million in new funding for drug courts and treatment clinics, while maintaining the funding mechanism from Measure 110, steering marijuana tax revenue into rehabilitation.

Drug reformers are furious about the squandered opportunity to model a new approach for the country. "It is Oregon leaders that didn't work," says Frederique of the Drug Policy Alliance. "Their chronic underfunding of affordable housing, effective addiction services, and accessible health care are to blame for the heartbreaking public suffering seen in Oregon's streets." Frederique insists there "is not a shred of evidence" that Measure 110 increased homelessness, crime, or overdose rates. And she sees the recriminalization bill as "a false promise" of a fix, meant to distract from political "incompetence."

In retrospect, the key driver of Measure 110's political demise was that it entrusted implementation of a radical drug-policy experiment to rigid state agencies and police bureaus that were not invested in - or even hostile to - its success.

Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully...

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DrizztLink
03/07/24 7:19:16 PM
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invertedlegdrop posted...
Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully...
Portugal says hello.

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xGhostchantx
03/07/24 7:20:23 PM
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invertedlegdrop posted...
Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully...


invertedlegdrop posted...
a cautionary tale about the failure to match bold policy reform with competent administration

It's almost like the problem is the goofballs doing the work and not the policy. also,

DrizztLink posted...
Portugal says hello.


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ClayGuida
03/07/24 7:21:09 PM
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It's a shame they're abandoning it already. We'll truly never know if it works.

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DrizztLink
03/07/24 7:21:38 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
It's a shame they're abandoning it already. We'll truly never know if it works.
Portugal says hello to you as well.

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Jeremy517
03/07/24 7:21:42 PM
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We have 50 years of evidence that locking up users doesn't work.
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MC_BatCommander
03/07/24 7:25:06 PM
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Going back to throwing drug addicts in prison is not the answer. This is why nothing ever gets better in this country, "we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"

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Zikten
03/07/24 7:27:10 PM
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Will Marijuana also be going back to criminalization? I don't know that I agree on the harder drugs. But Marijuana should not revert its status. It needs to be legal everywhere.
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MC_BatCommander
03/07/24 7:29:12 PM
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Zikten posted...
Will Marijuana also be going back to criminalization? I don't know that I agree on the harder drugs. But Marijuana should not revert its status. It needs to be legal everywhere.

This measure had nothing to do with marijuana which was legalized years before

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solosnake
03/07/24 7:30:01 PM
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Might as well lock up the pot users too, they can have them do prison work for 80 cents an hour

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Smackems
03/07/24 7:31:23 PM
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Hello topic I would like to reach Portugal?

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Full_Pokedex
03/07/24 7:37:52 PM
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Good.

All non-medicinal drugs should be banned. Perod.

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ScazarMeltex
03/07/24 7:40:10 PM
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xGhostchantx posted...
It's almost like the problem is the goofballs doing the work and not the policy. also,
The bungling was intentional. They wanted this to fail so they could say "see we tried!!!" And then go back to fucking people over.

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darkace77450
03/07/24 7:42:23 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
They wanted this to fail so they could say "see we tried!!!" And then go back to f***ing people over.

Why would they bother going through the motions if they had no desire to see it succeed?
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Nasty_Nitro
03/07/24 7:47:42 PM
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My cousin who lives out there said that what they arent telling us is that in 2020 cops were getting their asses handed to them in brawls on streets against dope fiends and being unable to find them again.

It was never about ending the drug war it was all about making cops jobs easier during that tough time for law enforcement lol.

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ScazarMeltex
03/07/24 7:49:29 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
Why would they bother going through the motions if they had no desire to see it succeed?
To get people to shut the fuck up about it.

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ArkhamOrigins
03/07/24 7:49:47 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
Good.

All non-medicinal drugs should be banned. Perod.

Oh Duncan. I don't even need to see your name to recognize your ignorant posts

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VirtuousWrath
03/07/24 7:50:58 PM
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Nasty_Nitro posted...
My cousin who lives out there said that what they arent telling us is that in 2020 cops were getting their asses handed to them in brawls on streets against dope fiends and being unable to find them again.

It was never about ending the drug war it was all about making cops jobs easier during that tough time for law enforcement lol.
By dope fiends you mean drug users, right?

So what you're saying is, violent drug users beat the shit out of cops so they decriminalized?

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NoxObscuras
03/07/24 7:54:39 PM
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invertedlegdrop posted...
Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure and proves mass drug decriminalization is near impossible to implement successfully...
No it isn't. Did you even read the article you quoted? They dropped the ball at almost every level.

But the state bureaucracy also fumbled the implementation of Measure 110, attempting to delay and divert drug-treatment funding; failing to train law enforcement on steering drug users toward rehabilitation; and relying on a cumbersome call center that proved all-but feckless at moving people in out of the grip of addiction and into treatment.
And instead of fixing those problems, they just said forget it and went back to throwing people in jail

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chaos_knight
03/07/24 7:58:51 PM
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America is going back to being tough on crime. Good.

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DrizztLink
03/07/24 8:00:57 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
America is going back to being tough on crime. Good.
It's astonishing how stupid this take is.

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Strider102
03/07/24 8:01:29 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
Good.

All non-medicinal drugs should be banned. Perod.

Perod

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TimeForAction
03/07/24 8:02:51 PM
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I recently spent some time in Oregon and I agree with making it illegal again. The major cities are like Hamsterdam but with little to no benefits. Its even more sad juxtaposed with how beautiful the surrounding landscape is.
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Strider102
03/07/24 8:04:41 PM
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TimeForAction posted...
I recently spent some time in Oregon and I agree with making it illegal again. The major cities are like Hamsterdam but with little to no benefits. Its even more sad juxtaposed with how beautiful the surrounding landscape is.

Hamsterdam sounds like a cool place.

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Pas5wordFAQ
03/07/24 8:05:19 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Going back to throwing drug addicts in prison is not the answer. This is why nothing ever gets better in this country, "we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"

And we cannot get an honest report on the profitability of prison labor.

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ClayGuida
03/07/24 8:09:07 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
America is going back to being tough on crime. Good.
When was america not? Why else would we have the highest incarceration rate in the civilized world?

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chaos_knight
03/07/24 8:13:03 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
It's astonishing how stupid this take is.

Yet it's how the country is trending. Unless you want to call the country stupid. This is in blue states too.

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TheGoldenEel
03/07/24 8:14:13 PM
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invertedlegdrop posted...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/oregon-is-ready-to-restart-the-drug-war/ar-BB1juSlK

Cant say im shocked, this was a complete failure
Was it?

Correlation is not, in fact, causation. Research from Portland State University has shown Measure 110 had "no impact" on violent crime and produced at most a "slight uptick" in property crime. Overdose deaths have indeed increased in Oregon - but the trajectory was rising before Measure 110's passage, and Oregon's rates are "no different from similar states," the academics write.

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DarkChozoGhost
03/07/24 8:20:41 PM
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Cops purposely try to cause problems.

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DrizztLink
03/07/24 8:21:48 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Yet it's how the country is trending. Unless you want to call the country stupid. This is in blue states too.
Oh gee, I'm sure afraid to do tha-

Never mind, it's stupid.

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mybbqrules
03/07/24 9:20:57 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
Good.

All non-medicinal drugs should be banned. Perod.
Duncan,
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Stick to pokemon and Subway.

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archizzy
03/07/24 9:25:03 PM
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Haha I miss Stuart sketches. That poster is awesome.

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mybbqrules
03/07/24 9:29:21 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
Why would they bother going through the motions if they had no desire to see it succeed?
So they can say "we tried" before going back to what clearly wasn't working but making them a whole lot of fucking money.

Because it behooves law enforcement to keep the "free labor for prisons" pipeline open.

Law enforcement doesn't want to end crime. Why would they? If they did, they'd be out of a fucking job.

It's like all the dipshit right wing politicians honking about the border. They don't want the border closed, because then they can't profit off all of that sweet undocumented labor. They'll just blame them for all of society's problems while continuing to exploit them.

NoxObscuras posted...
No it isn't. Did you even read the article you quoted? They dropped the ball at almost every level.

And instead of fixing those problems, they just said forget it and went back to throwing people in jail
I for one am amazed that someone I've had tagged as a trumper for years would post an article and comment in a way that shows they clearly didn't read the article beyond the headline.

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Nasty_Nitro
03/07/24 9:50:49 PM
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VirtuousWrath posted...
By dope fiends you mean drug users, right?

So what you're saying is, violent drug users beat the shit out of cops so they decriminalized?

Thats according to cousin. He said that cops were getting smoked in police chases and in on foot situations they were getting their asses kicked by methheads and heroine users on the street. Like they couldnt arrest them and nobody wanted to be the in the George Floyd (RIP) Derrick Chauvin situation.


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R_Jackal
03/07/24 9:52:09 PM
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I can't help but to feel like this was an experiment in how to make your correctional system collapse as quickly as possible.
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DrizztLink
03/07/24 9:53:24 PM
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Nasty_Nitro posted...
Thats according to cousin.
oh well dang if your cousin says so then it must be pure truth

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Nasty_Nitro
03/07/24 9:56:34 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
oh well dang if your cousin says so then it must be pure truth

True but i can believe they were getting crazy out there in 2020.

Theres plenty of local news that you wouldnt know in every city


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Guide
03/07/24 10:00:43 PM
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Measure 110 now stands as a cautionary tale about the failure to match bold policy reform with competent administration.

That's the important part.

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darkace77450
03/07/24 10:29:55 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
So they can say "we tried" before going back to what clearly wasn't working but making them a whole lot of fucking money.

Because it behooves law enforcement to keep the "free labor for prisons" pipeline open.

Law enforcement doesn't want to end crime. Why would they? If they did, they'd be out of a fucking job.

It's like all the dipshit right wing politicians honking about the border. They don't want the border closed, because then they can't profit off all of that sweet undocumented labor. They'll just blame them for all of society's problems while continuing to exploit them.

I wasnt talking about the cops. Oregons legislature is fairly progressive, no? Wouldnt they want to give this a good faith effort? I can see them bungling it through incompetence, but not sabotaging it out of the gate. Or maybe my notion of Oregons political leanings is faulty.

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Dark_Arbron
03/07/24 10:36:11 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Yet it's how the country is trending. Unless you want to call the country stupid. This is in blue states too.

Given how many problems that among the developed world only the US seems to have, while claiming nothing can be done, yes, I can confidently call the country stupid.

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Dark_Arbron
03/07/24 10:37:30 PM
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Also,

Full_Pokedex posted...
Good.

All non-medicinal drugs should be banned. Perod.

First we should ban things that actually need to be, like your account. Oh wait. It already has been, its just this sites pathetic quality control allows people to circumvent bans with alts.

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KajeI
03/07/24 10:37:59 PM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Given how many problems that among the developed world only the US seems to have, while claiming nothing can be done, yes, I can confidently call the country stupid.
For context, this user is not an american.

However I am an american, and I can confidently say that yes, this country is fucking stupid.

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Murphiroth
03/07/24 10:46:12 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
Good.

All non-medicinal drugs should be banned. Perod.

You should probably shut your mouth when the adults are talking.
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pretzelcoatl
03/07/24 10:54:14 PM
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I think there should be enforced treatment, not jail time. But having recently been to Portland, it's a huge problem. I think they decriminalized right as fentanyl was starting to take off, and it just completely demolished people out there. I understand why they stopped, and I understand why they're starting again.

Same issue as removing juvenile detention centers and bail reform. It's completely half assed, they eliminate these things without having a clear and well supported alternative. You cannot half ass these things.
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chaos_knight
03/07/24 10:56:51 PM
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Treatment only works if the addict wants help. If forced to do it, they'll bide their time until out and use again first opportunity

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