Current Events > is antisocial personality disorder a classist, racist diagnosis?

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and borderline personality disorder a misogynistic one?

i've known at least a couple people who have been diagnosed.with antisocial personality disorder (i dated one of them for over a year), and i've been diagnosed with bpd before. the thing is like everyone i tell that i have bpd to is like, lol, no, including therapists, and i feel the same way about those people i've known who were diagnosed with aspd.

also, i'm pretty sure the data shows aspd diagnosed disproportionately in minorities and lower class folk, and bpd disproportionately in women.

also, i'm not saying both are fake, just that they're used to stigmatize and marginalize people.

Shut the fuck up

Irony posted...

Shut the fuck up

cry more, turbobeard

Not a very convincing theory tbh.

wat

boomgetchopped3 posted...

Not a very convincing theory tbh.

i'm not the only one who thinks this by any means

ArrogantRat posted...

i'm pretty sure the data shows aspd diagnosed disproportionately in minorities and lower class folk, and bpd disproportionately in women.

Post some sources or links to data.

BlueKat posted...

Post some sources or links to data.

i've been looking because i'm genuinely curious about this.

here's a paper about it, for example:

https://hrlr.law.columbia.edu/files/2022/03/624_Argueta-Cevallos.pdf

What

https://tinyurl.com/yc48y699

and one about bpd and gender

KanWan posted...

People are doing work to make sure biases dont appear in the research regarding any diagnosis. Its ingrained as part of the pedagogical process for a lot of people who work in the field of social services too.

I mean, yeah, at one point it probably was all of that. Nowadays? I dont think so.

you think bias has been made not such a problem so quickly? i seriously doubt it, especially when it comes to the criminal justice system.

no

well if you have either of those it might seem that way

Speaking generally, there are definitely conditions that average people tend to associate with certian genders / races / etc. Can't comment on how prone professionals are to it though.

ArrogantRat posted...

and borderline personality disorder a misogynistic one?

i've known at least a couple people who have been diagnosed.with antisocial personality disorder (i dated one of them for over a year), and i've been diagnosed with bpd before. the thing is like everyone i tell that i have bpd to is like, lol, no, including therapists, and i feel the same way about those people i've known who were diagnosed with aspd.

also, i'm pretty sure the data shows aspd diagnosed disproportionately in minorities and lower class folk, and bpd disproportionately in women.

also, i'm not saying both are fake, just that they're used to stigmatize and marginalize people.

This is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time and I use reddit everyday so.....

Having a stigma attached isn't the same as a diagnosis being used to marginalize you. You have to be careful with therapists, too: If they don't have a specialization or experience with certain disorders, they may not be making the right call. I had a good therapist for a long time who made the incredible mistake of saying I don't have ADHD. She accidentally fucked my life over with that.

KanWan posted...

No. I just mean that there are people out there trying to inform themselves for the issue that created this topic. Thats a good thing. Its not a fix, but it is a step in the right direction.

I agree that you can have classist or racist factors in a possible diagnosis, but I dont believe that the condition itself is inherently classist or racist.

i was being hyperbolic, but i honestly think the reason i was diagnosed with bpd was because of my gender non-conformity at the time, which is a problematic bias. there's also the fact that a good portion of people diagnosed with bpd are autistic women who were misdiagnosed. that's another factor.

i would go into more, but i have to save it for later. i'm at work.

Guide posted...

Having a stigma attached isn't the same as a diagnosis being used to marginalize you. You have to be careful with therapists, too: If they don't have a specialization or experience with certain disorders, they may not be making the right call. I had a good therapist for a long time who made the incredible mistake of saying I don't have ADHD. She accidentally fucked my life over with that.

when it comes from multiple therapists, you start to build a consensus though.

ArrogantRat posted...

and bpd disproportionately in women

When Girl, Interrupted hit theaters, and everyone read the book, the became the common lore. I don't know if that's stood up to scrutiny or still tracks as medicine as progresses.

DnDer posted...

When Girl, Interrupted hit theaters, and everyone read the book, the became the common lore. I don't know if that's stood up to scrutiny or still tracks as medicine as progresses.

that film doesn't portray bpd accurately at all

i'm really not surprised that CE is so hostile to anything social justice adjacent. no arguments, just, "ur stupid."

ArrogantRat posted...

that film doesn't portray bpd accurately at all

Never said it did.

I said that's when BPD became part of the collective awareness of it even as a diagnosis, and that's where people's understanding of how it was diagnosed as a lever against women was established.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b349a0e2.jpg

DnDer posted...

Never said it did.

I said that's when BPD became part of the collective awareness of it even as a diagnosis, and that's where people's understanding of how it was diagnosed as a lever against women was established.

i was just bringing up that fact, not trying to say you thought it was. although it is accurate in portraying a doctor who's only seen a patient for x days slapping them with an inaccurate diagnosis.

No neither of them are

fwiw this is the kind of thing i would expect a victim of bpd to post, if that helps

Sorry this is going to sound like a text book, this is something I literally studied.

The issue of gender disparity in diagnoses, such as borderline personality disorder, doesn't have to suggest sexism. It's important to recognize that men and women can show different patterns of behavior and symptoms, which may influence diagnosis rates. However, this doesn't discount the possibility of bias influencing how doctors see things.

For instance, in cases like eating disorders, where women are more commonly diagnosed, societal factors likely play a significant role. Yet, it's crucial to acknowledge the potential for bias to overlook or underdiagnose such disorders in men. Like you have a 200 pound line backer coming in with body images issues, free of gaining weight , and some things like that. You are not going say this guy might be at the starting cycle of a eating disorder in many cases. But people in the industry need to look at everything. How big was he before he got down to 200 pounds. How does he see his body. What is his goal. Is he doing it the right way. These questions might not get asked to a dude.

In the end the situations that you highlight do involve a complex interplay of factors: societal norms, inherent differences in behavior between genders, and potential biases within diagnostic processes. So you are right that sexism could play a part, but also just so happens that women get that more.

cjsdowg posted...

Sorry this is going to sound like a text book, this is something I literally studied.

The issue of gender disparity in diagnoses, such as borderline personality disorder, doesn't have to suggest sexism. It's important to recognize that men and women can show different patterns of behavior and symptoms, which may influence diagnosis rates. However, this doesn't discount the possibility of bias influencing how doctors see things.

For instance, in cases like eating disorders, where women are more commonly diagnosed, societal factors likely play a significant role. Yet, it's crucial to acknowledge the potential for bias to overlook or underdiagnose such disorders in men. Like you have a 200 pound line backer coming in with body images issues, free of gaining weight , and some things like that. You are not going say this guy might be at the starting cycle of a eating disorder in many cases. But people in the industry need to look at everything. How big was he before he got down to 200 pounds. How does he see his body. What is his goal. Is he doing it the right way. These questions might not get asked to a dude.

In the end the situations that you highlight do involve a complex interplay of factors: societal norms, inherent differences in behavior between genders, and potential biases within diagnostic processes. So you are right that sexism could play a part, but also just so happens that women get that more.

my issue isn't so much that they get the diagnosis more. it's more how the diagnosis is used against them by healthcare providers, loved ones, nurses in a hospital, stuff like that. i really appreciate the input from someone who actually knows shit.