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The door that blew off. The tire that fell. The plane that dropped suddenly with no explanation. The safety whistleblower that recent took his own life. All Boeing. Like, has been cited: air travel is the safest form of traveling, but Boeing is having terrible pr of late. They also had issues 5 years ago.

I won't use Johnson & Johnson products after they sued the researchers who linked their products to carcinogens.

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Too many c-suite people that think they know more than the engineers that built it.

Must be a great luxury to live in a city with a high-traffic enough airport that you can just select the brand of plane you want to use to get to your destination instead of being content the one flight to your destination doesnt involve 3 layovers

she boeing on my military industrial until i complex

is this anything

Im with ya. Boeing is like 99.9% of the US market planes tho.

Luckily I don't have to worry I haven't been on a plane since 2010 i think. If I ever do need to again, I'll try to avoid Boeing. But maybe the issue will be fixed by then

Zikten posted...

Luckily I don't have to worry I haven't been on a plane since 2010 i think. If I ever do need to again, I'll try to avoid Boeing. But maybe the issue will be fixed by then

In my case Im literally not allowed to leave the country without getting permission from a judge so its irrelevant to me too.

Are there particular airlines that don't use boeing? Does it tell you the plane type when you're booking the ticket? I don't recall.

C_Pain posted...

Are there particular airlines that don't use boeing? Does it tell you the plane type when you're booking the ticket? I don't recall.

https://www.alternativeairlines.com/airlines-not-flying-boeing-737-max

Yawn_Master2 posted...

The safety whistleblower that recent took his own life.

Suuuure he did.

Hejiru posted...

Suuuure he did.

I actually tried to find rumors about companies eliminating people they find problematic but in the very least they've done a good job of covering up their deeds if the rumors do exist...

Even Boeing employees dont want to fly Boeing

Yawn_Master2 posted...

The safety whistleblower that recent "took his own life."

ftfy

Solid_Sonic posted...

I actually tried to find rumors about companies eliminating people they find problematic but in the very least they've done a good job of covering up their deeds if the rumors do exist...

I mean, looking at the circumstances, it's reasonable to be suspicious. Especially when Boeing is not only the only US manufacturer of airplanes in that class (and in the West generally they're part of a duopoly with Airbus), but they're a huge American defense contractor. I almost wonder if they did have him assassinated, if the assassin was late though. Given "former Boeing safety inspector takes own life amid Boeing safety flaws debacle" is a lot more innocuous of a headline than "Boeing Whistleblower found dead in car in apparent suicide after testifying", especially when your subheading is going to say "he was due to testify a second time"

I'm 100% convinced that there was some guy high up in Boeing who said "Wait, why has QA such a high budget? We never had any quality issues, I'm sure we can reduce the cost there."

Dark_Arbron posted...

In my case Im literally not allowed to leave the country without getting permission from a judge so its irrelevant to me too.

Story/why?

spikethedevil posted...

Story/why?

Serving a conditional suspended sentence.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Serving a conditional suspended sentence.

Ah fair enough, what did you do if youre ok with saying?

So, I actually looked it up. As far as companies that make a wide-body jet airliner, I found 4.
Boeing and Airbus, and if you life in the US that's all you'll likely see.
Ilyushin, which is Russian and the Il-96 is only in low rate production, and is only operated by one company not owned by the Russian Government. Cubana, of... Oh fucking guess.
And Comac. Which is the brand name for a Chinese state corporation. They're trying to get certified by European agencies.

It doesn't really improve if you go to narrow body, it just adds Tupolev. Also Russian.

There aren't really a lot of airplane manufacturers.

spikethedevil posted...

Ah fair enough, what did you do if youre ok with saying?

Id rather not get into the details, but suffice to say Im no threat to the community (it wasnt a violent or socially disruptive offence) and Im working with the system to address my issues.

Boeing is stupid.

Boeing is just the latest in forever examples of sheer unapologetic capitalism, no oversight, no safety standards, no real punishment, as long as you focus entirely on those stock buybacks, entirely on making shareholders happy, entirely on buying politicians and lobbyists then it doesn't matter how many people you kill or endanger that's simply the cost of doing business

This has been happening under both Democrats and Republicans administrations and will likely get worse as time goes on because the old fuckers in charge don't give a shit, their live are perfect, they'll never have to worry about these things personally and some of them are s0 sociopathic that suffering gives them boners.

Shit is fucked.

Maybe this will boost support for trains.

Boeing 737 max malpractice
'nuff said

Dark_Arbron posted...

Id rather not get into the details, but suffice to say Im no threat to the community (it wasnt a violent or socially disruptive offence) and Im working with the system to address my issues.

Thats fair enough.

The wheel falling off wasn't Boeings fault. Tire/wheel maintenance is part of an airlines normal operations. It would be like blaming Ford for someone not screwing on their radiator cap right enough on their Mustang and then having it pop off and overheating.

I think they deserve extra scrutiny after the door plug incident, but they shouldnt be dogpiled for things that are obviously out of their control.

What do you mean using faulty or broken parts to save money isnt good?

Dark_Arbron posted...

If theyre going to get rich(er) by stealing the profit their workers generate, they can at least be on the hook when those workers fuck up.

What are you talking about? You realize that when someone buys an aircraft *they* are legally required to maintain their airworthy certification, right? American Airlines, Delta, and Southwest all have their own maintenance divisions full of licensed A&P mechanics.

kelemvor posted...

The wheel falling off wasn't Boeings fault. Tire/wheel maintenance is part of an airlines normal operations. It would be like blaming Ford for someone not screwing on their radiator cap right enough on their Mustang and then having it pop off and overheating.

I think they deserve extra scrutiny after the door plug incident, but they shouldnt be dogpiled for things that are obviously out of their control.

It's just how it's going to happen. They are under the microscope now and any issue is going to reflect bad on them even the ones that aren't their fault. But luckily things like the door flying off didn't kill people or bring down the plane and those squarely lie on them. They created an unsafe environment by cutting costs.

kelemvor posted...

What are you talking about? You realize that when someone buys an aircraft *they* are legally required to maintain their airworthy certification, right? American Airlines, Delta, and Southwest all have their own maintenance divisions full of licensed A&P mechanics.

I reread your post and you specified airline, so yeah, thats fair. I misread. My bad.

A plane hitting bad turbulence also isnt Boeings fault. Thats their problem though. The media is out to get them now after the Max crashes and the door plug incident. So news articles about a tire falling off a 30 year old plane are sure to mention the word Boeing in the headline, when in normal times they wouldnt.

(if you think an airplane manufacturer assassinated a former employee in retaliation for whistleblowing 7 years ago, then youre a worse conspiracy theorist than maga folk).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/58ec64ec.jpg

Dark_Arbron posted...

I reread your post and you specified airline, so yeah, thats fair. I misread. My bad.

It's cool. From what I understand, manufacturers will get with the FFA and issue bulletins if there are certain routine maintenance issues that need constant monitoring, but they are mostly hands off after the planes get sold.

And on this note, I'm flying Southwest in 6 weeks which I'm pretty sure exclusively uses Boeing planes

radical_rhino posted...

A plane hitting bad turbulence also isnt Boeings fault. Thats their problem though. The media is out to get them now after the Max crashes and the door plug incident. So news articles about a tire falling off a 30 year old plane are sure to mention the word Boeing in the headline, when in normal times they wouldnt.

(if you think an airplane manufacturer assassinated a former employee in retaliation for whistleblowing 7 years ago, then youre a worse conspiracy theorist than maga folk).

A plane doing a nosedive with malfunctions isnt bad turbulence

Someone being a key witness in a middle of a deposition dying of a self inflicted gunshot wound is sussy af

Go shill for Boeing somewhere else

Yawn_Master2 posted...

The safety whistleblower that recent took his own life.

He took his own life as believably as all the Russian politicians who jumped out of windows willingly.

Karovorak posted...

I'm 100% convinced that there was some guy high up in Boeing who said "Wait, why has QA such a high budget? We never had any quality issues, I'm sure we can reduce the cost there."

Ive worked in aerospace for about 7 1/2 years now, I can almost guarantee that not only is this correct, but additional comments were along the lines of not a value added department and we cant let them find more things wrong. I have heard the former first-hand from the manager at my previous company about why QA isnt important, and the latter second-hand where I currently work allegedly from our own Quality Assurance System lead when we were exploring getting more advanced inspection equipment. Trust me, management across aerospace is actively hostile towards QA as a function and literally only tolerates it because AS9100 required rigorous documentation. But as Boeing has demonstrated, clearly you can get away with actively undermining QA and face zero meaningful consequences.

so is it better to fly airbus for now until Boeing gets their *** * together?

008Zulu posted...

Maybe this will boost support for trains.

Not really. There are a lot of issues with Amtrak in the US that prevent it from being a reasonable alternative to regional airlines. Similar costs to flying is one. If you pay for a roomette you'll at least get slightly more space, but it's not significantly cheaper. If you account for travel time you could argue it costs more in fact. Second, Amtrak leases trackage rights for most of the rails they run on. This is an issue because UP, CSX, NS, and BNSF (I think that's all of the Class 1s in the US anyway), aren't exactly keen to let Amtrak go ahead of them. Which shouldn't be an issue because they're required to give Amtrak priority by either law or regulation, except not only does no one follow this regulation (with impunity), the length of freight trains in many instances actually exceeds the length of passing sidings, so if they stopped, the next train couldn't get through in either direction. So they physically cannot follow the regulation. Which leaves two solutions, neither of which are really feasible. First, we can build Amtrak owned trackage to avoid the issue entirely. Which won't happen because it would be tax payer funded, and it's incredibly unlikely you could sell that to the American taxpayer that tends to favor airplanes overall anyway, and that's before the airline lobby gets involved. Option two, actually enforce regulations that say Amtrak always has priority and freight must wait for it to pass, which would require making a regulation that says trains can't be longer than the shortest passing siding on their route. Alternatively you could make the Class 1 railroads make them longer, but I'd assume that regulation would naturally cause that. This won't happen because of the railroad lobby. A lot of bulk material we depend on moves by rail, so they've got more power than most people would give credit for.

wonder if airlines will get rid of all their Boeing planes

WingsOfGood posted...

wonder if airlines will get rid of all their Boeing planes

Uh...Southwest ONLY has variants of the 737. They have a fleet of 820 Boeing planes and have never had a crash since they started in the 1970s. They've only had a handful of fatal incidents since that time.

In short, people need to calm the fuck down and just look at the numbers instead of the media hysteria.

kelemvor posted...

Uh...Southwest ONLY has variants of the 737. They have a fleet of 820 Boeing planes and have never had a crash since they started in the 1970s. They've only had a handful of fatal incidents since that time.

In short, people need to calm the fuck down and just look at the numbers instead of the media hysteria.

"Their planes are falling apart but there's nothing to see here!"

Looks like I'm taking the train to Disneyland next time I go.

Hikikomori posted...

so is it better to fly airbus for now until Boeing gets their *** * together?

Not sure in the United States you have much of an option in regards to flights. Already hard enough as it is to get a decent layover time that isn't too short or too long. Also, Boeing is overwhelmingly dominant in the United States in terms of planes in use.