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Damn_Underscore 03/14/24 9:18:26 AM #1:	Japanese anime/manga heroes dont have this issue at all, and their worlds are better off for it --- Some guys have all the luck, Some guys have all the pain Some guys get all the breaks, Some guys do nothing but complain <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:979361920] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Japanese anime/manga heroes dont have this issue at all, and their worlds are better off for it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Southernfatman 03/14/24 9:19:49 AM #3:	So villains can be kept alive forever and writers don't have to come up with new ones. --- http://imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:979361941] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>So villains can be kept alive forever and writers don't have to come up with new ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/14/24 9:20:17 AM #4:	Japanese anime and manga heroes take the form of stories written by a single author that have a beginning, middle, and end. That's fundamentally different than something like serialized comic book superheroes, where you have dozens or hundreds of writers effectively producing filler stories for a character that's been around for a hundred years. In the former, you can kill off whoever you want because it's your story. In the latter, you generally don't kill off characters both because the next writer may need to use them and also because you're trying to keep these heroes selling perpetually, which means keeping the popular characters around, even the villains. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979361944] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Japanese anime and manga heroes take the form of stories written by a single author that have a beginning, middle, and end. That's fundamentally different than something like serialized comic book superheroes, where you have dozens or hundreds of writers effectively producing filler stories for a character that's been around for a hundred years. In the former, you can kill off whoever you want because it's your story. In the latter, you generally don't kill off characters both because the next writer may need to use them and also because you're trying to keep these heroes selling perpetually, which means keeping the popular characters around, even the villains. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-ZIO- 03/14/24 9:21:00 AM #5:	Vegeta was a villain. Frieza is a villain. Buu was a villain. Come on, man. This ain't it. --- (He/Him) <cite>-ZIO- posted [p:979361952] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Vegeta was a villain. Frieza is a villain. Buu was a villain.Come on, man. This ain't it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dungeater 03/14/24 9:22:10 AM #6:	-ZIO- posted... Vegeta was a villain. Frieza is a villain. Buu was a villain. Come on, man. This ain't it. Tien was a villain. Piccolo was a villain. 17 & 18 were villains yea i thought of dbz too lol --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him <cite>Dungeater posted [p:979361963] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>-ZIO- posted... </cite><quote>Vegeta was a villain. Frieza is a villain. Buu was a villain.Come on, man. This ain't it.</quote>Tien was a villain. Piccolo was a villain. 17 & 18 were villains yea i thought of dbz too lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigblu89 03/14/24 9:23:02 AM #7:	s0nicfan posted... Japanese anime and manga heroes take the form of stories written by a single author that have a beginning, middle, and end. /topic --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. <cite>bigblu89 posted [p:979361973] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Japanese anime and manga heroes take the form of stories written by a single author that have a beginning, middle, and end. </quote>/topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wandering__Hero 03/14/24 9:23:04 AM #8:	Does anyone give a shit about 99% of the villains made in the last 10 or so years? They'll never right a batman villain more iconic than the Joker or a spiderman villain more iconic than Green Goblin, etc, so gotta keep them alive, reason be dammed. And if they do die, except them to be back soon after anyway --- Rip Politics board. Not that anything on there actually mattered <cite>Wandering__Hero posted [p:979361974] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Does anyone give a shit about 99% of the villains made in the last 10 or so years? They'll never right a batman villain more iconic than the Joker or a spiderman villain more iconic than Green Goblin, etc, so gotta keep them alive, reason be dammed. And if they do die, except them to be back soon after anyway </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 03/14/24 9:24:34 AM #9:	Its only an issue for some comic characters these days. But the reality is that it all springs out of government censorship and then later industry self-censorship in the form of the Comics Code Authority. --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:979361986] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Its only an issue for some comic characters these days. But the reality is that it all springs out of government censorship and then later industry self-censorship in the form of the Comics Code Authority. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/14/24 9:27:48 AM #10:	It's generally an issue with long runners that keep the same protagonist in general. That's why I think Jojo has one of the best structures of having new protagonists separated with parts, basically being entirely new series while still staying in the established setting. Of course, there is also 1 exception with Dio who appears twice although even he dies permanently in the original series (with his legacy still affecting the rest of it). --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:979362020] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>It's generally an issue with long runners that keep the same protagonist in general. That's why I think Jojo has one of the best structures of having new protagonists separated with parts, basically being entirely new series while still staying in the established setting. Of course, there is also 1 exception with Dio who appears twice although even he dies permanently in the original series (with his legacy still affecting the rest of it). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/14/24 10:13:43 AM #11:	Wandering__Hero posted... Does anyone give a shit about 99% of the villains made in the last 10 or so years? They'll never right a batman villain more iconic than the Joker or a spiderman villain more iconic than Green Goblin, etc, so gotta keep them alive, reason be dammed. And if they do die, except them to be back soon after anyway The joker was killed off in his first story, IIRC because he was exactly the kind of throwaway villain we treat new ones like. The issue is more marvel/dc's lack of faith in their writers to give new villains time to grow. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979362646] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Wandering__Hero posted... </cite><quote>Does anyone give a shit about 99% of the villains made in the last 10 or so years? They'll never right a batman villain more iconic than the Joker or a spiderman villain more iconic than Green Goblin, etc, so gotta keep them alive, reason be dammed. And if they do die, except them to be back soon after anyway</quote>The joker was killed off in his first story, IIRC because he was exactly the kind of throwaway villain we treat new ones like. The issue is more marvel/dc's lack of faith in their writers to give new villains time to grow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 03/14/24 10:16:53 AM #12:	American comics definitely have different eras. The Joker could have been killed in 60s Batman and Tim Burton Batman and no one would have said anything if Chris Nolan brought him back... in fact all 3 Jokers are pretty different characters --- Some guys have all the luck, Some guys have all the pain Some guys get all the breaks, Some guys do nothing but complain <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:979362690] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>American comics definitely have different eras. The Joker could have been killed in 60s Batman and Tim Burton Batman and no one would have said anything if Chris Nolan brought him back... in fact all 3 Jokers are pretty different characters </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 03/14/24 10:28:41 AM #13:	s0nicfan posted... The joker was killed off in his first story, IIRC because he was exactly the kind of throwaway villain we treat new ones like. The issue is more marvel/dc's lack of faith in their writers to give new villains time to grow. Which is no doubt how you end up with adaptations where the bad guy has the same name as an existing bad guy and maybe some vague similarities. You know, the Penguin who lives in the sewer and commands an army of penguins, or the Penguin who is a nasty homeless guy who manages to become a Green Lantern, or the Penguin who is just some hasbeen that manages to swindle his way into being the new Wayne Enterprises CEO. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:979362876] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>The joker was killed off in his first story, IIRC because he was exactly the kind of throwaway villain we treat new ones like. The issue is more marvel/dc's lack of faith in their writers to give new villains time to grow.</quote>Which is no doubt how you end up with adaptations where the bad guy has the same name as an existing bad guy and maybe some vague similarities.You know, the Penguin who lives in the sewer and commands an army of penguins, or the Penguin who is a nasty homeless guy who manages to become a Green Lantern, or the Penguin who is just some hasbeen that manages to swindle his way into being the new Wayne Enterprises CEO. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 03/14/24 10:31:57 AM #14:	It's actually not a issue actually. They kill villains and even heroes for shock value in American comics. They even make entire fallen timeline arcs. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:979362929] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>It's actually not a issue actually. They kill villains and even heroes for shock value in American comics. They even make entire fallen timeline arcs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 03/14/24 10:32:44 AM #15:	Lmao. TC didn't read enough manga. For starter, how many people did Luffy and Naruto actually kill? --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:979362944] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Lmao.TC didn't read enough manga.For starter, how many people did Luffy and Naruto actually kill? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Japanties 03/14/24 10:39:57 AM #16:	ALWAYS. KILL. THE. BADGUY. Make sure they're dead. Desecrate the corpse. Salt the earth where they lie. ALWAYS. KILL. THE. BADGUY. <cite>Japanties posted [p:979363048] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>ALWAYS. KILL. THE. BADGUY.Make sure they're dead. Desecrate the corpse. Salt the earth where they lie.ALWAYS. KILL. THE. BADGUY.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/14/24 10:41:01 AM #17:	RetuenOfDevsman posted... Which is no doubt how you end up with adaptations where the bad guy has the same name as an existing bad guy and maybe some vague similarities. You know, the Penguin who lives in the sewer and commands an army of penguins, or the Penguin who is a nasty homeless guy who manages to become a Green Lantern, or the Penguin who is just some hasbeen that manages to swindle his way into being the new Wayne Enterprises CEO. Yea, I think american comics writers have adapted by just retooling existing characters for name recognition. When it works, though, you get stories like Heart of Ice from Batman: TAS which fundamentally reinvented Mr Freeze into the most compelling version of the character. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979363060] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>RetuenOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>Which is no doubt how you end up with adaptations where the bad guy has the same name as an existing bad guy and maybe some vague similarities.You know, the Penguin who lives in the sewer and commands an army of penguins, or the Penguin who is a nasty homeless guy who manages to become a Green Lantern, or the Penguin who is just some hasbeen that manages to swindle his way into being the new Wayne Enterprises CEO.</quote>Yea, I think american comics writers have adapted by just retooling existing characters for name recognition. When it works, though, you get stories like Heart of Ice from Batman: TAS which fundamentally reinvented Mr Freeze into the most compelling version of the character. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/14/24 10:42:47 AM #18:	Damn_Underscore posted... Japanese anime/manga heroes dont have this issue at all, and their worlds are better off for it That is absolutely not the fucking case in either direction. Plenty of American comics involve killing all kinds of people and Japanese comics have that super common "redeem enemy by the power of love" trope. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:979363086] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite><quote>Japanese anime/manga heroes dont have this issue at all, and their worlds are better off for it</quote>That is absolutely not the fucking case in either direction. Plenty of American comics involve killing all kinds of people and Japanese comics have that super common "redeem enemy by the power of love" trope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 03/14/24 10:43:44 AM #19:	Tyranthraxus posted... That is absolutely not the fucking case in either direction. Plenty of American comics involve killing all kinds of people and Japanese comics have that super common "redeem enemy by the power of love" trope. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:979363103] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>That is absolutely not the fucking case in either direction. Plenty of American comics involve killing all kinds of people and Japanese comics have that super common "redeem enemy by the power of love" trope.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 03/14/24 10:48:39 AM #20:	s0nicfan posted... Yea, I think american comics writers have adapted by just retooling existing characters for name recognition. When it works, though, you get stories like Heart of Ice from Batman: TAS which fundamentally reinvented Mr Freeze into the most compelling version of the character. It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely. --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:979363165] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Yea, I think american comics writers have adapted by just retooling existing characters for name recognition. When it works, though, you get stories like Heart of Ice from Batman: TAS which fundamentally reinvented Mr Freeze into the most compelling version of the character.</quote>It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 03/14/24 10:50:49 AM #21:	s0nicfan posted... Yea, I think american comics writers have adapted by just retooling existing characters for name recognition. When it works, though, you get stories like Heart of Ice from Batman: TAS which fundamentally reinvented Mr Freeze into the most compelling version of the character. Yeah, it's not necessarily a bad thing. I do actually really like that last Penguin, for example. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:979363192] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Yea, I think american comics writers have adapted by just retooling existing characters for name recognition. When it works, though, you get stories like Heart of Ice from Batman: TAS which fundamentally reinvented Mr Freeze into the most compelling version of the character.</quote>Yeah, it's not necessarily a bad thing. I do actually really like that last Penguin, for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/14/24 10:52:21 AM #22:	codey posted... It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely. DC is big on legacy characters. I think the Blue Beetle in the Blue Beetle movie is actually the 3rd person to be Blue Beetle <cite>Zikten posted [p:979363210] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>codey posted... </cite><quote>It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely.</quote>DC is big on legacy characters. I think the Blue Beetle in the Blue Beetle movie is actually the 3rd person to be Blue Beetle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/14/24 10:53:39 AM #23:	codey posted... It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely. Ehh.. that's more a philosophical difference between Marvel and DC. Marvel does sliding time scale, so every few decades Cap is thawed out from a more recent war and we pretend all the stories took place in more modern times. DC's approach is to have the mantle be a title that gets passed down to younger folks rather than altering timelines, but that forces them to have a "crisis" every few decades themselves to just reset everything. So both approaches have pretty glaring issues but I can appreciate that the two companies at least take a different approach. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979363233] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>codey posted... </cite><quote>It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely.</quote>Ehh.. that's more a philosophical difference between Marvel and DC. Marvel does sliding time scale, so every few decades Cap is thawed out from a more recent war and we pretend all the stories took place in more modern times. DC's approach is to have the mantle be a title that gets passed down to younger folks rather than altering timelines, but that forces them to have a "crisis" every few decades themselves to just reset everything. So both approaches have pretty glaring issues but I can appreciate that the two companies at least take a different approach. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 03/14/24 10:54:45 AM #24:	Selection bias. Most (relevant) villains have died in comic books as well, you just ignore them because different writers use them later. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:979363250] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Selection bias. Most (relevant) villains have died in comic books as well, you just ignore them because different writers use them later. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kimberly 03/14/24 10:56:14 AM #25:	ellis123 posted... Selection bias. Most (relevant) villains have died in comic books as well, you just ignore them because different writers use them later. Gotta agree with this and wonder what even prompted such a question in the first place. --- I'll be your guide when you wanna get lost I'll be the sword at your side at all cost <cite>Kimberly posted [p:979363264] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>ellis123 posted... </cite><quote>Selection bias. Most (relevant) villains have died in comic books as well, you just ignore them because different writers use them later.</quote>Gotta agree with this and wonder what even prompted such a question in the first place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 03/14/24 10:57:47 AM #26:	codey posted... It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely. There's that, too. Depending on what you do and don't count, everyone from Robin to Alfred to Two-Face to Superman have been Batman before, lol. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:979363293] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>codey posted... </cite><quote>It happens across both Marvel and DC, but I find it particularly funny when you search for a popular DC character on wikipedia only to find out that they're like the fifth person to use a particular persona and there's two or three lesser known guys that used it after them. I feel like Marvel retools characters more often and just switches up their personality while DC likes to plug in new characters entirely.</quote>There's that, too. Depending on what you do and don't count, everyone from Robin to Alfred to Two-Face to Superman have been Batman before, lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 03/14/24 11:11:16 AM #27:	One thing is the ongoing continuity of keeping characters around. Another facet is that a lot of the most popular characters in existence had their biggest glory days when the Comics Code Authority didn't let the heroes kill people, so that became a major narrative element of almost every major comic. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:979363525] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>One thing is the ongoing continuity of keeping characters around. Another facet is that a lot of the most popular characters in existence had their biggest glory days when the Comics Code Authority didn't let the heroes kill people, so that became a major narrative element of almost every major comic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DaxNovalis 03/14/24 11:35:25 AM #28:	s0nicfan posted... The joker was killed off in his first story, IIRC because he was exactly the kind of throwaway villain we treat new ones like. The issue is more marvel/dc's lack of faith in their writers to give new villains time to grow. Nah, he survived. Batman just knocked him out, the last page has Joker in a prison cell. <cite>DaxNovalis posted [p:979363918] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>The joker was killed off in his first story, IIRC because he was exactly the kind of throwaway villain we treat new ones like. The issue is more marvel/dc's lack of faith in their writers to give new villains time to grow.</quote>Nah, he survived. Batman just knocked him out, the last page has Joker in a prison cell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 03/14/24 11:43:03 AM #29:	s0nicfan posted... Marvel does sliding time scale, so every few decades Cap is thawed out from a more recent war and we pretend all the stories took place in more modern times. I wonder how long they can keep that up. A Captain America doesn't make sense for what we'd need in, say, Desert Storm one day. And Magneto is going to have to age out eventually, especially given how low recognition of the Holocaust is anymore. Kids (especially Florida kids) are really soon going to be asking, "What's that? And why is it a big deal?" when they first encounter him. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:979364050] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>Marvel does sliding time scale, so every few decades Cap is thawed out from a more recent war and we pretend all the stories took place in more modern times.</quote>I wonder how long they can keep that up. A Captain America doesn't make sense for what we'd need in, say, Desert Storm one day. And Magneto is going to have to age out eventually, especially given how low recognition of the Holocaust is anymore. Kids (especially Florida kids) are really soon going to be asking, "What's that? And why is it a big deal?" when they first encounter him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 03/14/24 11:47:29 AM #30:	DaxNovalis posted... Nah, he survived. Batman just knocked him out, the last page has Joker in a prison cell. Ah okay. Just double checked and the plan was to kill him off but editorial intervention led to a changed ending. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979364121] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>DaxNovalis posted... </cite><quote>Nah, he survived. Batman just knocked him out, the last page has Joker in a prison cell.</quote>Ah okay. Just double checked and the plan was to kill him off but editorial intervention led to a changed ending. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CRON 03/14/24 11:47:31 AM #31:	The OG Tomb Raider comics didn't have this issue from what I remember. Stories were resolved and characters were being killed off left and right. --- Thanks for reading! <cite>CRON posted [p:979364122] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>The OG Tomb Raider comics didn't have this issue from what I remember. Stories were resolved and characters were being killed off left and right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 03/14/24 11:50:54 AM #32:	s0nicfan posted... Marvel does sliding time scale, so every few decades Cap is thawed out from a more recent war They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:979364165] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote> Marvel does sliding time scale, so every few decades Cap is thawed out from a more recent war </quote>They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 03/14/24 11:52:42 AM #33:	didnt The Boys (the comics in this case) kill off plenty of characters as well? <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:979364190] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>didnt The Boys (the comics in this case) kill off plenty of characters as well?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 03/14/24 12:02:20 PM #34:	Murphiroth posted... They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen. I might be confusing 616 and ultimate. Was there a Vietnam cap too or am I imagining things? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:979364320] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Murphiroth posted... </cite><quote>They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen.</quote>I might be confusing 616 and ultimate. Was there a Vietnam cap too or am I imagining things? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 03/14/24 12:03:51 PM #35:	Murphiroth posted... They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen. Yeah, Cap's story is one that doesn't need to change because he can literally be frozen for any length of time. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:979364342] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Murphiroth posted... </cite><quote>They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen.</quote>Yeah, Cap's story is one that doesn't need to change because he can literally be frozen for any length of time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 03/14/24 12:17:30 PM #36:	Murphiroth posted... They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen. Heck was he even frozen on his debut? Considering that was when WWII was happening --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:979364582] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Murphiroth posted... </cite><quote>They've never changed when Cap was frozen though, it's always been WWII. What they change is how recently he thawed out and how long he was frozen.</quote>Heck was he even frozen on his debut? Considering that was when WWII was happening </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 03/14/24 12:22:39 PM #37:	s0nicfan posted... I might be confusing 616 and ultimate. Was there a Vietnam cap too or am I imagining things? You're confusing Iron Man and Punisher with Cap. The former 2 are who gets their respective wars changed, not Cap. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:979364657] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite><quote>I might be confusing 616 and ultimate. Was there a Vietnam cap too or am I imagining things?</quote>You're confusing Iron Man and Punisher with Cap. The former 2 are who gets their respective wars changed, not Cap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJKirby 03/14/24 12:26:43 PM #38:	mehmeh1 posted... Heck was he even frozen on his debut? Considering that was when WWII was happening Killed off at the end of his original run, brought back for the second issue of Avengers, which they came up with him being found in ice --- Not changing this signature until Beyond Good and Evil 2 is in my hand. August 25th, 2010. <cite>SSJKirby posted [p:979364724] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>mehmeh1 posted... </cite><quote>Heck was he even frozen on his debut? Considering that was when WWII was happening</quote>Killed off at the end of his original run, brought back for the second issue of Avengers, which they came up with him being found in ice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mystereave 03/14/24 12:58:03 PM #39:	Ricemills posted... Lmao. TC didn't read enough manga. For starter, how many people did Luffy and Naruto actually kill? Luffy's current kill count is just Kaido, I think. Naruto never directly killed anyone, but he did "kill" Kakuzu 3 or 4 times depending on if you count each of his stolen hearts as a separate life. If you want to be cheeky, you can also say that Nagato died to "Talk no Jutsu" since Naruto's words directly lead to him taking his own life. <cite>Mystereave posted [p:979365241] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite><quote>Lmao.TC didn't read enough manga.For starter, how many people did Luffy and Naruto actually kill?</quote>Luffy's current kill count is just Kaido, I think.Naruto never directly killed anyone, but he did "kill" Kakuzu 3 or 4 times depending on if you count each of his stolen hearts as a separate life. If you want to be cheeky, you can also say that Nagato died to "Talk no Jutsu" since Naruto's words directly lead to him taking his own life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 03/14/24 1:00:36 PM #40:	Comics were censored for half a century. --- Just call me Discount Dan. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:979365273] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Comics were censored for half a century. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/14/24 1:02:30 PM #41:	Many American-themed superheros debuted during WWII, but Captain America was the most popular. Superhero comics began to decline in popularity in the post-war period, which prompted a variety of attempts to reposition Captain America, including having him fight gangsters rather than wartime enemies, appearing as a high school teacher, and joining a superhero team, the All-Winners Squad. The series nevertheless continued to face dwindling sales, and Captain America Comics ended with its 75th issue in February 1950. Horror comics were ascendant as a popular comic genre during this period; in keeping with the trend, the final two issues of Captain America Comics were published under the title Captain America's Weird Tales. He was relaunched in 1953 in Young Men #24, where Captain America appears alongside the wartime heroes Human Torch and Toro, which was followed by a revival of Captain America Comics in 1954. In the spirit of the Cold War and McCarthyism, the character was billed as "Captain America, Commie Smasher" and faced enemies associated with the Soviet Union. The series was a commercial failure, and was cancelled after just three issues. Captain America made his ostensible return in the anthology Strange Tales #114 (November 1963). Captain America reemerges following years of apparent retirement, though he is revealed as an impostor who is defeated by Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four. A caption in the final panel indicates that the story was a "test" to gauge interest in a potential return for Captain America, the reader response to the story was enthusiastic, and the character was formally reintroduced in The Avengers #4 (March 1964). The Avengers #4 retroactively established that Captain America had fallen into the Atlantic Ocean in the final days of World War II, where he spent decades frozen in ice in a state of suspended animation before being found and recovered. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:979365308] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Many American-themed superheros debuted during WWII, but Captain America was the most popular.Superhero comics began to decline in popularity in the post-war period, which prompted a variety of attempts to reposition Captain America, including having him fight gangsters rather than wartime enemies, appearing as a high school teacher, and joining a superhero team, the All-Winners Squad. The series nevertheless continued to face dwindling sales, and Captain America Comics ended with its 75th issue in February 1950.Horror comics were ascendant as a popular comic genre during this period; in keeping with the trend, the final two issues of Captain America Comics were published under the title Captain America's Weird Tales.He was relaunched in 1953 in Young Men #24, where Captain America appears alongside the wartime heroes Human Torch and Toro, which was followed by a revival of Captain America Comics in 1954.In the spirit of the Cold War and McCarthyism, the character was billed as "Captain America, Commie Smasher" and faced enemies associated with the Soviet Union. The series was a commercial failure, and was cancelled after just three issues.Captain America made his ostensible return in the anthology Strange Tales #114 (November 1963).Captain America reemerges following years of apparent retirement, though he is revealed as an impostor who is defeated by Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four. A caption in the final panel indicates that the story was a "test" to gauge interest in a potential return for Captain America, the reader response to the story was enthusiastic, and the character was formally reintroduced in The Avengers #4 (March 1964).The Avengers #4 retroactively established that Captain America had fallen into the Atlantic Ocean in the final days of World War II, where he spent decades frozen in ice in a state of suspended animation before being found and recovered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 03/14/24 1:04:04 PM #42:	Tyranthraxus posted... That is absolutely not the fucking case in either direction. Plenty of American comics involve killing all kinds of people and Japanese comics have that super common "redeem enemy by the power of love" trope. Seriously this. TC is just doing selection bias. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:979365326] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>That is absolutely not the fucking case in either direction. Plenty of American comics involve killing all kinds of people and Japanese comics have that super common "redeem enemy by the power of love" trope.</quote>Seriously this. TC is just doing selection bias. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MangaBroski 03/14/24 1:24:10 PM #43:	Plenty of heroes kill, but there are a couple caveats. Human villains are more likely to be spared. In DC, most heroes seem to not go for killing shots if the villains are below the heroes threat levels. I think Marvel is similar, except more of the heroes will kill moons in combat. <cite>MangaBroski posted [p:979365630] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Plenty of heroes kill, but there are a couple caveats.Human villains are more likely to be spared. In DC, most heroes seem to not go for killing shots if the villains are below the heroes threat levels. I think Marvel is similar, except more of the heroes will kill moons in combat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViewtifulGrave 03/14/24 1:25:40 PM #44:	Mystereave posted... Luffy's current kill count is just Kaido, I think. Kaidou isnt confirmed dead. One Piece characters can come back at any time without explanation. --- Useless "Captain" Mid <cite>ViewtifulGrave posted [p:979365649] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Mystereave posted... </cite><quote>Luffy's current kill count is just Kaido, I think.</quote>Kaidou isnt confirmed dead. One Piece characters can come back at any time without explanation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Killmonger 03/14/24 1:27:27 PM #45:	Pretty sure there are American comics where the villain or bad guy gets killed --- "I will die of cancer before I let another dude finger my a******." - ZeroX91 <cite>Killmonger posted [p:979365682] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure there are American comics where the villain or bad guy gets killed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 03/14/24 1:48:34 PM #46:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Thats been changing in JP of late actually, at least for the more popular series. Either through time jumps like boruto and bleach, spin offs like fairy tail, alternate timeline/dimension shenanigans like the fate/stay series or even rebooting series entirely. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:979366033] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Thats been changing in JP of late actually, at least for the more popular series. Either through time jumps like boruto and bleach, spin offs like fairy tail, alternate timeline/dimension shenanigans like the fate/stay series or even rebooting series entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 03/14/24 2:00:35 PM #47:	Prismsblade posted... Thats been changing in JP of late actually, at least for the more popular series. Either through time jumps like boruto and bleach, spin offs like fairy tail, alternate timeline/dimension shenanigans like the fate/stay series or even rebooting series entirely. Better examples would be things like Detective Conan, Hello Kitty, etc. Yes they highlight that Japan has had series' that never ended the whole time, but they are non-spin off shows that just have no interest in ending and have spun their wheels for decades. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:979366235] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>Thats been changing in JP of late actually, at least for the more popular series. Either through time jumps like boruto and bleach, spin offs like fairy tail, alternate timeline/dimension shenanigans like the fate/stay series or even rebooting series entirely.</quote>Better examples would be things like Detective Conan, Hello Kitty, etc. Yes they highlight that Japan has had series' that never ended the whole time, but they are non-spin off shows that just have no interest in ending and have spun their wheels for decades. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/14/24 2:02:27 PM #48:	The GI Joe cartoon had an extremely low killcount. The comics on the other hand had a high killcount. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:979366270] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>The GI Joe cartoon had an extremely low killcount.The comics on the other hand had a high killcount. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 03/14/24 2:05:54 PM #50:	Prismsblade posted... Thats been changing in JP of late actually, at least for the more popular series. Either through time jumps like boruto and bleach, spin offs like fairy tail, alternate timeline/dimension shenanigans like the fate/stay series or even rebooting series entirely. As long as the original main protagonist's story is wrapped up, time jumps (for new main protagonists), spin offs, and reboots/alternate dimensions all still have the original story ending. Although if the same story gets rebooted dozens of times that becomes a problem too. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:979366325] in Why is kil... [t:80721228]...</cite> <quote>Prismsblade posted... </cite><quote>Thats been changing in JP of late actually, at least for the more popular series. Either through time jumps like boruto and bleach, spin offs like fairy tail, alternate timeline/dimension shenanigans like the fate/stay series or even rebooting series entirely.</quote>As long as the original main protagonist's story is wrapped up, time jumps (for new main protagonists), spin offs, and reboots/alternate dimensions all still have the original story ending. Although if the same story gets rebooted dozens of times that becomes a problem too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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