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B18Champ
03/22/24 5:54:01 AM
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I've felt like this for at least 10 years now. Doesn't matter if you vote Red or Blue, Biden or Trump, the American Dream is dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guq-uRNqCns&t=785s

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MyMainAccount
03/22/24 5:54:57 AM
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My current dream is that people would stop doomposting in an attempt to suppress election turnout.

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StapleGenius
03/22/24 5:55:46 AM
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Would you say it's now an American Nightmare?

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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 5:56:56 AM
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Remember that great George Carlin quote?

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Zikten
03/22/24 5:58:37 AM
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I blame Ronald Reagan. He never should have been president.
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wackyteen
03/22/24 6:07:53 AM
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The thing about dreams is you gotta be asleep.

We've all been woken up.

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tremain07
03/22/24 6:09:23 AM
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The American dream is dead and capitalism killed it

To have a comfortable life you need education, education has been completely defunct in this country for a long time now ,Colleges costs have skyrocketed yet the knowledge the bestow isn't worth the costs, but that's okay because it's been a long open secret that you do not go to college to learn how to do things competently you go there to network and socialize with enough people that you're able to use your contacts to get a great position at some already big company right after graduation and in turn yourself can now grant that to other people willing to do anything, legal, non legal, financially, sexually, to entice you to vouch for them all while accumulating more wealth and power for yourself and your connections.


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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 6:13:59 AM
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tremain07 posted...
The American dream is dead and capitalism killed it

To have a comfortable life you need education, education has been completely defunct in this country for a long time now ,Colleges costs have skyrocketed yet the knowledge the bestow isn't worth the costs, but that's okay because it's been a long open secret that you do not go to college to learn how to do things competently you go there to network and socialize with enough people that you're able to use your contacts to get a great position at some already big company right after graduation and in turn yourself can now grant that to other people willing to do anything, legal, non legal, financially, sexually, to entice you to vouch for them all while accumulating more wealth and power for yourself and your connections.

Or just be born rich. I dont know why more people dont do that.


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BloodMoon7
03/22/24 6:15:05 AM
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Always has been

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Glob
03/22/24 6:16:05 AM
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tremain07 posted...
The American dream is dead and capitalism killed it

To have a comfortable life you need education, education has been completely defunct in this country for a long time now ,Colleges costs have skyrocketed yet the knowledge the bestow isn't worth the costs, but that's okay because it's been a long open secret that you do not go to college to learn how to do things competently you go there to network and socialize with enough people that you're able to use your contacts to get a great position at some already big company right after graduation and in turn yourself can now grant that to other people willing to do anything, legal, non legal, financially, sexually, to entice you to vouch for them all while accumulating more wealth and power for yourself and your connections.

Not everybody with a decent job gets it through shady connections, mate.
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ai123
03/22/24 6:19:13 AM
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Politicians have given up trying to make things better. It's too complicated, and they have given away too much of their power to the banks and corporations.

Which is not a reason to allow the ones who wish to make things worse to win.

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JasonSehorn
03/22/24 6:27:47 AM
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American dream died when Reagan killed the middle class
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Evillink2000
03/22/24 6:47:48 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Remember that great George Carlin quote?
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 6:48:21 AM
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Evillink2000 posted...
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.

+1

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rexcrk
03/22/24 6:48:38 AM
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Most young Americans now believe American Dream is dead


I mean it is.

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tremain07
03/22/24 6:56:11 AM
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People like Carlin and progressive media outlets and some like Jon Oliver really show how rigged and corrupted and absolutely hopelessly greedy society is and how success relies heavily on luck for those who manage to get there without being victim to the various roadblocks and keep their integrity as a decent person but then people get completely outraged when you chalk up their success to luck as if luck somehow invalidates their efforts, that's arrogant as fuck, there are plenty others like them who also worked hard, did the right moral things and didn't get to be successful like them, to deny luck in success is something I'll never understand.

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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 6:58:19 AM
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@tremain07 Yes, luck is a huge part of it. Heck even going as far as what capacities you were born with is important, because no amount of hard work can compensate for a bad hand.

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Glob
03/22/24 7:00:09 AM
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tremain07 posted...
People like Carlin and progressive media outlets and some like Jon Oliver really show how rigged and corrupted and absolutely hopelessly greedy society is and how success relies heavily on luck for those who manage to get there without being victim to the various roadblocks and keep their integrity as a decent person but then people get completely outraged when you chalk up their success to luck as if luck somehow invalidates their efforts, that's arrogant as fuck, there are plenty others like them who also worked hard, did the right moral things and didn't get to be successful like them, to deny luck in success is something I'll never understand.

Yeah, anybody who is successful has had a measure of luck. Some more than others, and it doesnt necessarily mean they havent also needed to work hard, but its impossible to make it without a bit of luck too.
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tremain07
03/22/24 7:03:05 AM
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Life is just shit in general when you think about it, the game is rigged, the people who rigged it demonize anyone who dare call it out, the ignorant and the privliaged join in on this and problem just gets worse and worse as anyone who could change it is rendered ineffective or in some cases outright killed

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RamenNoodles
03/22/24 7:08:18 AM
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I blame republicans.
its impossible to afford everything or anything and get anywhere. Like buy a house, new car or even go to college.
none of this happens so much in other top countries.
Like simple internet. A US citizen literally pays about 10x what even third world countries pay for much slower speeds. Why? Only greed.

Look at the whole medical/medicine anything in the US compared to the rest of the world.

and I blame republicans because they nonstop pass or block bills protecting major companies to allow them to work for greed. Multi billionaire companies pay less in taxes than some simple families and hell even get millions back each year in taxes. Yet any time democrats try to stop this shit, guess who blocks them and protects companies over the people?
This is a country where the ultra wealthy and major corporations pretty much have free reign and have no repercussions for bad and illegal actions.
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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 7:12:52 AM
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The abolition of the Republican Party wouldnt magically fix everything. Looking after the rich is one of few truly bipartisan interests.

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Philip027
03/22/24 7:22:56 AM
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Was it ever alive?
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Glob
03/22/24 7:24:48 AM
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RamenNoodles posted...
I blame republicans.
its impossible to afford everything or anything and get anywhere. Like buy a house, new car or even go to college.
none of this happens so much in other top countries.
Like simple internet. A US citizen literally pays about 10x what even third world countries pay for much slower speeds. Why? Only greed.

Look at the whole medical/medicine anything in the US compared to the rest of the world.

and I blame republicans because they nonstop pass or block bills protecting major companies to allow them to work for greed. Multi billionaire companies pay less in taxes than some simple families and hell even get millions back each year in taxes. Yet any time democrats try to stop this shit, guess who blocks them and protects companies over the people?
This is a country where the ultra wealthy and major corporations pretty much have free reign and have no repercussions for bad and illegal actions.

This is the issue right here. The US is not a top country.
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B18Champ
03/22/24 7:25:45 AM
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Philip027 posted...
Was it ever alive?

From 1945-1995 at least

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RamenNoodles
03/22/24 7:26:14 AM
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Philip027 posted...
Was it ever alive?
Yes. Go back 60 years you could live off minimum wage supporting a family and kids and still buy a house at like 20.
College was extremely affordable and you could have extra money to try starting your own businesses and living how you wanted.
You werent strapped down from bills and debt just trying to survive
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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 7:26:18 AM
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Glob posted...
This is the issue right here. The US is not a top country.

Definitely agree. For full context though its far better than most developing countries, but thats not much to be proud of.

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itcheyness
03/22/24 7:27:53 AM
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I have an American Dream, but it involves black masks and gasoline.

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AlephZero
03/22/24 7:41:54 AM
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the united states is a third world country

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RchHomieQuanChi
03/22/24 7:47:00 AM
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It absolutely is dead. You will always have outliers, but for the most part, most Americans are an emergency expense away from utter financial disaster.

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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 7:49:35 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It absolutely is dead. You will always have outliers, but for the most part, most Americans are an emergency expense away from utter financial disaster.

I recall its something like 35-40% but thats a rough recollection. Still way too fucking high for one of the richest countries in the world.

When they talk about a country being the richest, what they really mean is their 1% is richer than other countries 1%.

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RchHomieQuanChi
03/22/24 7:52:25 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
When they talk about a country being the richest, what they really mean is their 1% is richer than other countries 1%.

That's EXACTLY what they mean. And they also think that's a good thing.

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/22/24 8:14:04 AM
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The American Dream isn't dead. It came true.
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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 8:16:55 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
The American Dream isn't dead. It came true.

I guess if you interpret it as the manifestation of the countrys core value (plutocracy) then yes, it came true.

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Southernfatman
03/22/24 8:19:34 AM
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The dream became a nightmare and so many want to continue keeping it this way. Mainly the rich and their conservative lapdogs.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...
The American Dream isn't dead. It came true.

You're looking at it!

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Turbam
03/22/24 8:21:45 AM
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They took it all away

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Heineken14
03/22/24 8:22:12 AM
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B18Champ posted...
From 1945-1995 at least

Well only for a subset of people.

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Nth
03/22/24 8:23:15 AM
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Never forget that all your high level politicians are multimillionaires.

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Nukazie
03/22/24 8:24:46 AM
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should have been born with all that cash and opportunity

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Prismsblade
03/22/24 8:29:23 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
I recall its something like 35-40% but thats a rough recollection. Still way too fucking high for one of the richest countries in the world.

When they talk about a country being the richest, what they really mean is their 1% is richer than other countries 1%.
Those people dont know wtf theyre talking about frankly. We arent rich, were just able to print and borrow more money than any other country due to our country and currencys unique position in the world.

Otherwise we are in trillions of debt and rising.

But anyways you never truly know if a dream is hopeless unless you simply never try and or give up. Which is their choice to make but I dislike when they try to spread the toxicity for others to think the same.

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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 8:30:57 AM
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Reminder that Prismsblade had a history on 261 of going to bat for capitalism.

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itcheyness
03/22/24 8:31:51 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
But anyways you never truly know if a dream is hopeless unless you simply never try and or give up. Which is their choice to make but I dislike when they try to spread the toxicity for others to think the same.
Do you know why it's called the American Dream?

Because you'd have to be asleep to believe it.

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RetuenOfDevsman
03/22/24 8:32:42 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
The dream became a nightmare and so many want to continue keeping it this way. Mainly the rich and their conservative lapdogs.

You're looking at it!
Of course, I'm the kind of guy whose reaction to the movie was "well yeah." I did enjoy it though. Enough for a number of rewatches and two reads of the source material.
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DnDer
03/22/24 8:57:31 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
I guess if you interpret it as the manifestation of the countrys core value (plutocracy) then yes, it came true.

...the Aristocrats!

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Glob
03/22/24 8:58:09 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Definitely agree. For full context though its far better than most developing countries, but thats not much to be proud of.

Im not trying to claim that its the worst country in the world. Id never choose to live there, as I have more appealing options, but if it was the US or South Sudan then obviously Id go for the US.
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Smackems
03/22/24 9:00:36 AM
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Agreed tc. Politicians are not your friends and most of them just want to get richer and make their donors richer while you and I suffer for it

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ClayGuida
03/22/24 9:01:15 AM
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It's dead because Republicans fucked over the youth in favor of corporate profits. Nixon, Reagan, Bush1-2, Trump all fucked this nation with corporate tax breaks, while cutting security nets and programs that help young Americans.

So no, this isn't a both sides problem, this is one side having corporate overlords.

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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 9:04:09 AM
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Glob posted...
Im not trying to claim that its the worst country in the world. Id never choose to live there, as I have more appealing options, but if it was the US or South Sudan then obviously Id go for the US.

Right. I just wanted to head off the usuals because it wouldn't be the first time posts like yours were countered with "uh, the US is better than most countries."

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Dark_Arbron
03/22/24 9:05:06 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
It's dead because Republicans fucked over the youth in favor of corporate profits. Nixon, Reagan, Bush1-2, Trump all fucked this nation with corporate tax breaks, while cutting security nets and programs that help young Americans.

So no, this isn't a both sides problem, this is one side having corporate overlords.

To clarify I didn't say the Dems were as bad as Repubs in that regard. They never are, and of course, as you said the huge leaps "forward" were all made by Republican presidents. But I stand by what I said that the rich being unaccountable and having too much influence over policy is a bipartisan value. One of few. It's not going to go away no matter how much the Republican party disintegrates. That's why the theory is that if the GOP ever disappears, the Democrats would split into the establishment and progressive.

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TheMikh
03/22/24 9:10:42 AM
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is it just me or does america seem to be increasingly resembling russia in the 90s

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Alucard188
03/22/24 9:12:49 AM
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The American Dream was a middle-class suburban lifestyle with two kids, a dog, and a white picket fence. That hasn't been true since the '70s.

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