Board 8 > CYOF Mafia Day 3

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You think it's me and FD but you voted me earlier after I voted FD?

Why does me x FD make any sense. I feel like you're not even trying to find a scummate for me that makes sense.

Here is what I challenge you to do.

1. Assume I am scum. Find my scummate based on how the two of us have played the game. Use actual examples from the game to support your stance.
2. Assume I am not scum. Find the two scum based on how they have played the game. Use actual in game posts and actions to support your stance.

Complete both exercises and share the results.

wallmasterz posted...

So we cant clear someone just because scum ulti didnt pretend to suspect them

Either Ulti named no scum on his list or he should have been trying to bus the scum from his list

Do you agree with this?

Well for one, you suspected (or suspected) FD for a pretty flimsy reason: you claimed FD didnt deny hes 3p (or 4p in this case lol)

FD posted and said of course Im not, i would flip town, scum needs me dead. And you Lopen went ok thats good enough for me

I think your presenting a super weak and easily refuted argument against FD could be a scum/scum interaction. If you two are scummates it has value for distancing purposes but at the same time you go through the process of questioning and then accepting his answers, allowing you to move off FD as a lynch you approve of while arguably having a subtle psychological effect on others

Lopen posted...

Either Ulti named no scum on his list or he should have been trying to bus the scum from his list

Do you agree with this?

Not really. Ulti had to be alive for the list to matter. It would not be smart for scum to hang all their hopes on getting the meteor to work. So Ulti prematurely bussing a scummate would make Ulti look better yes, but its a costly gambit. The best time for scum on the list to die would be when theres only one other person left on the list whos town and can be night killed for the win.

If I'm scum my scummate is pretty obviously Sultan tbh

wallmasterz posted...

So Ulti prematurely bussing a scummate would make Ulti look better yes, but its a costly gambit

Only if Ulti succeeds

If he fails it makes the one he was trying to look better

I don't know why you're thinking the best way to play Ulti's role is to put scum on it and then not actually bus them

It feels like youre trying really hard to get me to agree that anyone on Ultis list he didnt bus, is town cleared

Its ulti bro

Im not gonna bet the game on Ulti playing the role optimally, Ultis mafia play fluctuates wildly from galaxy brain plays to its day 2 and I also scan guilty

Been reading though the game...

Chris has not done much of anything.
Chris also has been a bit reserved, hasn't laid a hammer down on anyone.

He claimed the show in Kirby. Initially I thought this was pretty towny. But it was also weird the way he came in "idk if I killed anyone yet" it was awkward cuz we had 2 people flip? They he went on no I killed Kirby. Almost like he was surprised it was Kirby he killed. May want to re read this but it comes off very Awkwardly

Ulti did not play the role optimally because it seems he put 0 scum on it

It's less I'm trying to argue he'd play it optimally and more that you're arguing he'd play it in the worst possible way to keep a Corrik mislynch in play

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

He claimed the show in Kirby. Initially I thought this was pretty towny. But it was also weird the way he came in "idk if I killed anyone yet" it was awkward cuz we had 2 people flip? They he went on no I killed Kirby. Almost like he was surprised it was Kirby he killed. May want to re read this but it comes off very Awkwardly

He said he wasn't sure if he shot town or scum. The original post didn't have the "You are town part" of Kirby's PM, IGCD edited in later, which I assume is what Chris was talking about.

MZero posted...

He said he wasn't sure if he shot town or scum. The original post didn't have the "You are town part" of Kirby's PM, IGCD edited in later, which I assume is what Chris was talking about.

Oh really I didn't realize that it originally didn't have alignment.

Can we get some votes. Anything

Lea and Kirby went on to a better place

Do we have votals?

Updated Votals of Mystery
Lopen(2) - Chris, Wallz
Chris(1) - Lopen
Wallz - (Lopen)
FD - (Lopen)
MZero - (Lopen)
Sbell - (FD), (Lopen)

I think Sultan is still my preferred lynch.

Barring him, probably Chris?

Barring him, probably SBell

I'll try to bring more to the table tomorrow, it's been a weird day

Why is everyone giving Chris a pass don't get it you can't all be scum

I'm a little spooked from last game tbh

I shot someone in the poe tbh

Lopen is only voting me because I am voting him lol

Oh Chris is obv town he would never shoot kirby there.

Oh Chris is obv scum now

Lol

Let's think about a scum Chris and town kirby and lopen world

Why would scum Chris ever shoot a town kirby there when lopen is tunneled? It's beyond silly really

Also I am very good at theater and setting things up. I basically ignored ulti and scare two people I enjoy playing with just because I was focused on other things. It's not how I interact with partners tbh

apologies for not being around last night. just a busy night and then when i laid down it was instant sleep.

I don't think we can put much stock in the ulti list since it was prepared by Lopen. Unless we want to play the lopen is scum mate game but then why did he put himself on the list knowing what it is.

Lopens theory crafting has been 100% in his town wheelhouse. I can't see myself backing a Lopen lynch today.

Sbell you have been consistent in saying you dont want Lopen lynched or criticizing my suspicion of Lopen, etc. This is at least the third time this game I want to say, I dont really think youd act so blatantly paired with a scummate so I lean youre town who believes Lopen is town.

Now that youre back with us whats your poe? Do you still want me lynched? If so, whos your second choice?

Chris who are your top two lynches now?

Really that is an open question for everyone who hasnt chimed in recently, I think Sultan and Corrik, maybe mzero could answer

ngl FD is giving be the heebie jeebies

Lopen and fd probably

Fd not finding me town by this point is just weird

wallmasterz posted...

Sbell you have been consistent in saying you dont want Lopen lynched or criticizing my suspicion of Lopen, etc. This is at least the third time this game I want to say, I dont really think youd act so blatantly paired with a scummate so I lean youre town who believes Lopen is town.

Now that youre back with us whats your poe? Do you still want me lynched? If so, whos your second choice?

I am just pointing out things that struck me. Picking apart your lopen comments when I'm feeling lopen must be town this game does not necessarily mean I think you are scum or that you should be lynched.

I guess I'm most concerned with Chris shooting kirby. The pool of players is small and we have no idea how many scum we are dealing with. Arguments that it makes no sense for scum Chris to shoot kirby don't really do much for me since scum have such a small pool of players to pick from.

And I really don't like the idea that 2 town players are either getting guns or giving them out.

speaking o which, is Sultan out of presents?

Why are you trying to act like this game is going to be balanced lol.

Like I told Lea not to kill bct and have a coherent world view that I have stuck to tbh

I shot kirby to see if lopen was right. He was not so imo he dies. It's the price of being a good player who keeps switching his world view tbh

Obellisk posted...

speaking o which, is Sultan out of presents?

I have 2 left

SirChris posted...

Lopen and fd probably

Fd not finding me town by this point is just weird

In my experience town chris is dead by the time half the game is dead, and a living chris deserves suspicions regardless of his play.

Which isn't to say that your play has been amazing.

wallmasterz posted...

Really that is an open question for everyone who hasnt chimed in recently, I think Sultan and Corrik, maybe mzero could answer

How can you possibly find scum in a game that isn't balanced and is just for funnziez. We had a flip already where a scum person had a randomized kill or die. That's impossible to balance. Do you have extra scum for that role? Less scum? I have no idea.

Think we just need to keep rolling with it. Doesn't mzero have a day scan?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

In my experience town chris is dead by the time half the game is dead, and a living chris deserves suspicions regardless of his play.

Which isn't to say that your play has been amazing.

Man, my play has been fine.

##Vote:Lopen

claim what you can or die

SirChris posted...

Why are you trying to act like this game is going to be balanced lol

that doesn't make me feel any better.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I have 2 left

and? what are you waiting for... what does Sultan Clause have in his sack for me?

Well, we can also just end Lopen and hope he's scum.

If he's not scum then his voice has been all over the place, and from my experience last game that's something we wanted to keep going as scum. So either he's confirmed town and his erratic reads can be given more weight or he's scum and we can safely disregard.

##Vote: Lopen

I hope you're scum, but you have 12 hours to call me an idiot if you're not.

Cthulhu has been called. While we wait for confirmation, how does this make everyone feel?

Well the 1 doesn't work now since Cthulhu was called.

The other I'm not going to claim until I decide to use it.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Cthulhu has been called. While we wait for confirmation, how does this make everyone feel?

not great

Lopen has had a few questionable moments but this also kind of feels like a classic shrug mislynch Lopen

MZero posted...

not great

Lopen has had a few questionable moments but this also kind of feels like a classic shrug mislynch Lopen

didn't you say you had a Mayor? Can't you change the course?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Cthulhu has been called. While we wait for confirmation, how does this make everyone feel?

personally I'm not the greatest fan, but your votes have a little more weight than mine.

Obellisk posted...

didn't you say you had a Mayor? Can't you change the course?

I don't think so now that Cthulhu has been called

can't you just throw a pokeball at Cthulhu

My claim is that you all kneel

I didn't see Zod on the list.

Try using mayor

If you can't mayor you know FD is town

And it's probably just Chris + Sultan in that case

Always lynch Chris then if he doesn't flip GF lynch Sultan

Lopen posted...

If you can't mayor you know FD is town

how does that work?

Obellisk posted...

how does that work?

If scum hammerer can just override mayor it's a pointless Pokmon to have