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Doe
03/30/24 12:50:12 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/29/us-weapons-israel-gaza-war/#

The Biden administration in recent days quietly authorized the transfer of billions of dollars in bombs and fighter jets to Israel despite Washingtons concerns about an anticipated military offensive in southern Gaza that could threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians.

The new arms packages include more than 1,800 MK84 2,000-pound bombs and 500 MK82 500-pound bombs, according to Pentagon and State Department officials familiar with the matter. The 2,000-pound bombs have been linked to previous mass-casualty events throughout Israels military campaign in Gaza. These officials, like some others, spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity because recent authorizations have not been disclosed publicly.

The development underscores that while rifts have emerged between the United States and Israel over the wars conduct, the Biden administration views weapons transfers as off-limits when considering how to influence the actions of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

We have continued to support Israels right to defend itself, said a White House official. Conditioning aid has not been our policy.

Some Democrats, including allies of President Biden, say the U.S. government has a responsibility to withhold weapons in the absence of an Israeli commitment to limit civilian casualties during a planned operation in Rafah, a final Hamas stronghold, and ease restrictions on humanitarian aid into the enclave, which is on the brink of famine.

The Biden administration needs to use their leverage effectively and, in my view, they should receive these basic commitments before greenlighting more bombs for Gaza, Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said in an interview. We need to back up what we say with what we do.
The Israeli government declined to comment on the authorizations.

Four Hamas battalions remain in Rafah, say U.S. and Israeli officials. More than 1.2 million Palestinians have sought shelter there after being forced from their homes during Israels extensive bombing campaign over the past five months. Biden suggested that a scorched-earth invasion of the city along Gazas border with Egypt would cross a red line for him.

Biden requested that Netanyahu send a team of security officials to Washington this week to listen to U.S. proposals for limiting the bloodshed. Netanyahu canceled the visit after the United States refused to veto a United Nations Security Council resolution that called for a temporary cease-fire in Gaza and the release of hostages, but which did not condemn Hamas.

Israeli officials have not allayed U.S. concerns about the impending operation in Rafah, but they agreed to reschedule the meeting in Washington, the White House said.

The 2,000-pound bombs, capable of leveling city blocks and leaving craters in the earth 40 feet across and larger, are almost never used anymore by Western militaries in densely populated locations due to the risk of civilian casualties.

Israel has used them extensively in Gaza, according to several reports, most notably in the bombing of Gazas Jabalya refugee camp Oct. 31. U.N. officials decried the strike, which killed more than 100 people, as a disproportionate attack that could amount to war crimes. Israel defended the bombing, saying it resulted in the death of a Hamas leader.

Israeli officials deny that their military campaign has been indiscriminate and say civilian casualties are the fault of Hamas for embedding its fighters among the population in Gaza.

Bidens decision to continue the flow of weapons to Israel has been strongly supported by powerful pro-Israel interest groups in Washington, including the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which is spending tens of millions of dollars this election cycle to unseat Democrats it views as insufficiently pro-Israel.

AIPAC, alongside congressional Republicans and several Democrats, oppose any conditions on U.S. military assistance to Israel. The U.S. can protect civilians, on both sides of the conflict, by continuing to ensure Israel receives as much U.S. assistance as is needed, as expeditiously as possible, to keep its stockpiles full of lifesaving munitions, Reps. August Pfluger (R-Tex.) and Don Davis (D-N.C.), and Michael Makovsky, president of the Jewish Institute for National Security of America, wrote in a recent column. Doing so is also morally right and in the U.S. interest.

Bidens recurring approvals of weapons transfers are an abrogation of moral responsibility, and an assault on the rule of law as we know it, at both the domestic and international levels, said Josh Paul, a former State Department official involved in arms transfers who resigned in protest of Bidens Gaza policy.

This is a policymaking process that is fundamentally broken, and which makes everyone from policymaking officials to defense manufacturers to the U.S. taxpayer complicit in Israels war crimes, he said.

Advocates of the policy inside the administration say behind-the-scenes discussions with the Israelis have succeeded in delaying the countrys Rafah operation, which they now dont expect to happen until May. But at least part of that delay is due to Israels military operations in Khan Younis taking longer than anticipated.
Don't worry guys, annihilation of the Palestinian people has been delayed a month in exchange for giving Israel all the bombs it needs for the annihilation of the Palestinian people.

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darkace77450
03/30/24 12:52:27 AM
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I hope history remembers Biden poorly for his role in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
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ForsakenHermit
03/30/24 12:56:22 AM
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darkace77450 posted...
I hope history remembers Biden poorly for his role in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
I'm starting to think we're Israel's bitch and not the way around.

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Trumble
03/30/24 2:26:21 AM
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But it's totally still okay to support the guy. /s

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MarcyWarcy
03/30/24 2:56:29 AM
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i wonder how biden feels about the fact that the main thing people are going to remember about his presidency at this point is him presiding over the funding and arming of a genocide

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JimmyFraska
03/30/24 3:27:22 AM
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Trumble posted...
But it's totally still okay to support the guy. /s
So you are saying you are not going to vote for him to keep Trump out? No vote or independent vote is essentially a republican vote. Wow.
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Enclave
03/30/24 3:42:25 AM
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JimmyFraska posted...
So you are saying you are not going to vote for him to keep Trump out? No vote or independent vote is essentially a republican vote. Wow.

There comes a point where you need to start blaming Biden for his fuck ups instead of trying to guilt people into voting for him. Perhaps if so many weren't constantly playing cover for shit like this there would be enough pressure being put on him that he'd stop doing this.

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rideshort
03/30/24 3:59:55 AM
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Enclave posted...
There comes a point where you need to start blaming Biden for his fuck ups instead of trying to guilt people into voting for him. Perhaps if so many weren't constantly playing cover for shit like this there would be enough pressure being put on him that he'd stop doing this.

I get where you are coming from. But do this after the election. We don't need Trump in office.

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Doe
03/30/24 4:03:27 AM
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rideshort posted...
I get where you are coming from. But do this after the election. We don't need Trump in office.
I get where you are coming from, but Rafah and its refugees will probably be rubble before the election. The lives of tens of thousands of people, or an order of magnitude more depending on how long aid is strangleholded and the famine goes on, are on the line now and in the next several months. If pointing out the severity of this is bad for the current administration, then, IDK, maybe they should walk back giving 1800 city-blocks-clearing bombs to a country that wants to level a refugee center with a million people inside.

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2Pacavelli
03/30/24 4:04:10 AM
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Biden has been a bum since his mass incarceration of Black people in America. I tried warning people that he'd be terrible and immoral as a president since 2019 but nobody listened. Was just falsely accused of being a Trump supporter.

But I've never voted for Donald Trump in my life so that's definitely untrue
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JimmyFraska
03/30/24 4:07:54 AM
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2Pacavelli posted...
But I've never voted for Donald Trump in my life so that's definitely untrue
That doesn't matter, you potentially took votes away from Biden and are still doing so
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Chicken
03/30/24 4:13:36 AM
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darkace77450 posted...
I hope history remembers Biden poorly for his role in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
My theory is that Israel has Epstein level blackmail on some powerful people and Biden's hands are tied

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Enclave
03/30/24 4:15:03 AM
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rideshort posted...
I get where you are coming from. But do this after the election. We don't need Trump in office.

Unfortunately we can't do this after the election because it's going on right now. Note in Canada Trudeau is under a lot of political pressure and what happened? Canada stopped military equipment sales to Israel.

Pressure actually can work.

I have found that attacking people who are getting disillusioned doesn't actually shame them into voting, it's a self defeating practice. Telling somebody "If you don't vote that's a vote for Trump" is only going to make somebody ignore you. This is especially true during the primary season, right now is when people should be trying to apply maximum pressure on the Dems even if they are still planning to vote Dem in the general anyways.

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Sufferedphoenix
03/30/24 4:17:14 AM
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Chicken posted...
My theory is that Israel has Epstein level blackmail on some powerful people and Biden's hands are tied

Or the fact all of our presidents have been Christian and they feel Israel is literally the holy land.

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2Pacavelli
03/30/24 4:18:33 AM
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JimmyFraska posted...
That doesn't matter, you potentially took votes away from Biden and are still doing so

This is only under the assumption that all votes belong to Biden by default and that it literally a Nazi like mentality
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Thanatos_the_Great
03/30/24 4:20:36 AM
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rideshort posted...
I get where you are coming from. But do this after the election.

I don't get where you are coming from. After the election it'll be too late.

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Funkydog
03/30/24 4:25:38 AM
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Did people really think an American president would miss a chance to bomb foreign children?

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vycebrand2
03/30/24 4:33:00 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Or the fact all of our presidents have been Christian and they feel Israel is literally the holy land.
I don't believe Trump is though. There is no one higher than himself.

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Foppe
03/30/24 4:38:59 AM
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Doe posted...
I get where you are coming from, but Rafah and its refugees will probably be rubble before the election. The lives of tens of thousands of people, or an order of magnitude more depending on how long aid is strangleholded and the famine goes on, are on the line now and in the next several months. If pointing out the severity of this is bad for the current administration, then, IDK, maybe they should walk back giving 1800 city-blocks-clearing bombs to a country that wants to level a refugee center with a million people inside.
Dont worry, Israel plans to create smaller "safe islands" in Gaza where they will evacuate the civilians to.
And rest assured, they will be sure to attack both the evacuation convoys and the safe islands to stomp out Hamas.
Because remember, every adult male is a Hamas member and every child above the age of 4 are anti-Israel!

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ai123
03/30/24 4:54:15 AM
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I don't understand what Biden is doing anymore. He could have just not sent that shipment and he wouldn't have lost a single vote.

I can only assume this is some diplomatic trade off for abstaining on the ceasefire vote.

Let us abstain and repair our international reputation. You can cancel the meeting, but we'll just reschedule it later. In the meantime, have some bombs to sweeten the deal.

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Trumble
03/30/24 4:56:46 AM
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JimmyFraska posted...
That doesn't matter, you potentially took votes away from Biden and are still doing so
And what? Biden is not automatically entitled to those votes. Like anyone else, he has to earn them. And maybe, opposing a genocide, or even simply not actively supporting one, would go a long way towards earning them. Acting like he's automatically entitled to them just because another candidate sucks, doesn't earn him shit.

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MarcyWarcy
03/30/24 5:09:11 AM
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ai123 posted...
I don't understand what Biden is doing anymore. He could have just not sent that shipment and he wouldn't have lost a single vote.

he was never going to not send it. democrats are basically hoping and praying this isnt a make or break issue and that people will stop talking about it come election time because they have absolutely handcuffed themselves to their position at this point

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chitown82
03/30/24 5:14:49 AM
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Wow, this election is the opposite of last election. Instead of anyone but Trump, it's anyone but Biden. Any Biden voter supports genocide.
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tankboy
03/30/24 5:17:11 AM
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It is delusional to think that this will affect Biden one way or another. Or that it should.
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Thompson
03/30/24 5:22:40 AM
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Why can the US send bombs to Israel who doesn't need them but cannot send bombs to Ukraine who desperately needs them?

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Chicken
03/30/24 5:33:21 AM
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Thompson posted...
Why can the US send bombs to Israel who doesn't need them but cannot send bombs to Ukraine who desperately needs them?
Ukraine didn't bribe everyone in government like Israel did.

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Sufferedphoenix
03/30/24 5:34:24 AM
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Chicken posted...
Ukraine didn't bribe everyone in government like Israel did.
.Russia also probably has more ties to the government than we realize.

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Hornezz
03/30/24 5:42:16 AM
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Goddamn. I was actually hopeful the change in rhetoric of the past month would mean something.

Look at these two paragraphs. Fucking disingenuous bullshit.
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Red_XIV
03/30/24 5:55:27 AM
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Trumble posted...
And what? Biden is not automatically entitled to those votes. Like anyone else, he has to earn them.
When the alternative is Hitler in the White House, "yOu hAvE tO eArN mY vOtE" is an irresponsible position at best.

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Trumble
03/30/24 6:04:03 AM
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Red_XIV posted...
When the alternative is Hitler in the White House, "yOu hAvE tO eArN mY vOtE" is an irresponsible position at best.
The alternative is Americans getting it through their fucking heads that you do not have to pick one of these two options.

You cannot justify voting for a genocide enabler when you could vote for someone who is not a genocide enabler. You may not necessarily support his actions there, but at the very least, if you vote for him you are at least saying you are okay with said actions (unless you are unaware of them, which you are not). Even if it's more just "willing to turn a blind eye to it", that's maybe okay (and even that's a very big maybe) for a politician who engages in some minor corruption; it's not okay for one who is supporting a fucking genocide.

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cjsdowg
03/30/24 6:18:32 AM
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Red_XIV posted...
When the alternative is Hitler in the White House, "yOu hAvE tO eArN mY vOtE" is an irresponsible position at best

While I would not liken to the state of Israel to Hitler since that is so wrong. Let's say you don't want King Leopold in the white house, but you support the guy who gave him the money to kill the people in the Congo. IS that much better.

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cjsdowg
03/30/24 6:21:10 AM
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JimmyFraska posted...
That doesn't matter, you potentially took votes away from Biden and are still doing so

No one owes Genocide Joe not one fucking vote.

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ForsakenHermit
03/30/24 6:25:22 AM
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Trumble posted...
The alternative is Americans getting it through their fucking heads that you do not have to pick one of these two options.

You cannot justify voting for a genocide enabler when you could vote for someone who is not a genocide enabler. You may not necessarily support his actions there, but at the very least, if you vote for him you are at least saying you are okay with said actions (unless you are unaware of them, which you are not). Even if it's more just "willing to turn a blind eye to it", that's maybe okay (and even that's a very big maybe) for a politician who engages in some minor corruption; it's not okay for one who is supporting a fucking genocide.
Unless the electoral college is tossed, we are stuck with the Democrats and Republicans. As a principle of self-defense voting for Biden is the sensible option. Because anything else at the end of the day is a vote for a fascist who will destroy America and possibly lead the world to ruin if elected.

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Doe
03/30/24 10:35:21 AM
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Reminding everyone you can criticize Biden for this while recognizing alternative viable candidates in 2024 won't be better on this issue

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ssk9716757
03/30/24 10:38:02 AM
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rideshort posted...
I get where you are coming from. But do this after the election. We don't need Trump in office.

Would you be saying this if, for example, Biden was supplying weapons to Al Qaeda as as they were actively engaging in multiple 9/11s on US soil?

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chaos_knight
03/30/24 10:41:47 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
No one owes Genocide Joe not one fucking vote.


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Cheater87
03/30/24 10:43:12 AM
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I hate my country.

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legendary_zell
03/30/24 10:44:59 AM
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Disgusting and an own goal. He gains nothing from this and only blackens his name. Unless you count preservation of our "relationships" and "geopolitical interests" which always seem to involve making money and killing innocent people.

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Southernfatman
03/30/24 10:45:25 AM
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I think Democrats want to bow down to Israel so much because of the massive influence they have in America. They don't want Israel to turn on them and support Republicans. Not defending what they're doing, but that's probably one of the main reasons. They helped create the monster of Israel/AIPAC and don't want it to turn on them because it will in a heartbeat.

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ClayGuida
03/30/24 10:47:21 AM
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Stop giving right wingers ammo to propagandize.

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/30/24 10:48:43 AM
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JimmyFraska posted...
So you are saying you are not going to vote for him to keep Trump out? No vote or independent vote is essentially a republican vote. Wow.
I'm never voting for another presidential election ever again.

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ClayGuida
03/30/24 10:49:55 AM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
I'm never voting for another presidential election ever again.
Good.

All people should have a right to vote. Not all people should vote however.

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ssk9716757
03/30/24 10:50:05 AM
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Chicken posted...
My theory is that Israel has Epstein level blackmail on some powerful people and Biden's hands are tied

It's a lot simpler than that: Israel is basically a US forward operating base in the Middle East. They'll do anything to keep that foothold.

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legendary_zell
03/30/24 10:51:18 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
Stop giving right wingers ammo to propagandize.

Biden is the one doing that. We can't simply ignore evil because other evil people will use it to their ends. The solution to that is to stop doing the evil thing so it can't be used against you.

Ignoring it, defending it, or pretending it's not evil is not free. It has serious consequences morally and politically.

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