Current Events > Could this argument be used to convince conservatives to be pro immigrant?

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I'll start with a hypothetical:

You have two people, both 18 years old, both committing the same crime(manslaughter as the example). The first person was born in the US, used US resources, & goes to prison for their crime at 18. The second person grew up to 18 in another country(doesn't matter which one), then immigrated to the US & committed the act before going to prison for the same crime. Which person can be perceived to have cost the US more before/during imprisonment?

Could it be argued to people that oppose diverse workforces, immigrants to be allowed to legally immigrate, or encouraging people to grow up in the US from Dreamers & such that US citizens on average in such cases, actually cost the government & the system more money than people who moved to the US but weren't born here?

Could this argument be used to convince conservatives...

It doesn't matter how the question concludes as the answer is invariably "no".

Read the TT. Didnt need to read anything else.

No.

Conservatives don't use logic or reason. If they did they wouldn't be conservatives.

Idk man, we've even attempted to frame it in a way where we exploit immigrants for cheap labor. They're still not getting on board

No.

One cannot be dissuaded with logic when the position was never logical in the first place.

ellis123 posted...

No.

One cannot be dissuaded with logic when the position was never logical in the first place.

Yeah that was kinda my take away no matter how I equalize the hypothetical..

I don't even get what you're trying to say, so I figure someone with half a brain wouldn't either.

people are not going to be convinced of a new political ideology through reading arguments online

MarcyWarcy posted...

people are not going to be convinced of a new political ideology through reading arguments online

It's not being convinced of a new political ideology, immigrants are not an "ideology", it's a classification of people. A hypothetical is creating a closed circuit, & asking people to give their interpretation of the hypothetical & what the solution or 'correct' answer is

hereforemnant posted...

It's not being convinced of a new political ideology, immigrants are not an "ideology", it's a classification of people

your thread title says "convince conservatives to be pro immigrant", not "convince people that immigrants exist." pro immigration and anti immigration are two opposing political ideologies

No, because you can't logic someone out of an opinion they stupid'd their way into.

MarcyWarcy posted...

your thread title says "convince conservatives to be pro immigrant", not "convince people that immigrants exist." pro immigration and anti immigration are two opposing political ideologies

So then it would also still not be an ideology, it would be a single political position, or a classification of person. No one has "Immigrant" as a personal political ideology.

"A set of doctrines or beliefs that are shared by the members of a social group or that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system." No one has "pro immigrant" or "anti immigrant" as a single political ideology with nothing else alongside it, that can't exist.

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Good fair point, appreciate the insight!