Current Events > Trump Trials General Part 15: CE's Last Hurrah

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https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4599654-trump-slams-number-strikes-allowed-against-jurors-hush-money-trial/

Former President Trump is railing against the amount of times his legal team can veto a potential juror choice for his hush money trial, which kicked off Monday.

I thought STRIKES were supposed to be unlimited when we were picking our jury? I was then told we only had 10, not nearly enough when we were purposely given the 2nd Worst Venue in the Country. Dont worry, we have the First Worst also, as the Witch Hunt continues! ELECTION INTERFERENCE! Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform Wednesday morning.

Another interesting thing about the strike they are using, it's the flop system. Both sides don't know who is coming next. So while you can strike a juror now, you don't know who you will be getting next. It's quite interesting actually.

Also, both sides get the same amount.

You also can't strike a juror based on them being in a protected class on that alone.

mystic_belmont posted...

You also can't strike a juror based on them being in a protected class on that alone.

But that's ground enough to call for recusal to Trump.

Of course, Trump doesn't actually know how recusal or bias actually work let alone jury selection but if he thinks it's biased you can bet all his happy trained seals will be saying it.

mybbqrules posted...

Remember how they reported that they'd have to pepper the Fanta Menace's name throughout white house briefings to keep him engaged?

He's a malignant narcissist. Literally the only thing he has ever cared about has been himself.

thats why he talks in 3rd person, he has to keep himself awake

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1780673583104082208

I guess they are using those to show a history of bad acts?

mystic_belmont posted...

I guess they are using those to show a history of bad acts?

I am looking forward to seeing if Trump strokes out just from having his credibility impeached like this in a setting where he can't just walk away or silence the critics with an outburst.

And the best part is that even if a Trumpist on the jury prevents a verdict, that just results in a new trial where, among other things, he gets to have his credibility impeached again, just like this.

Mearcstapa posted...

A hung jury/mistrial will be bandied about by chuds and the media the same as an acquittal. They're functionally the same.

No, it's not. Mistrials can be tried again. For one or both side(s) that can be detrimental to their case just as much as it could help them.

EPR-radar posted...

I am looking forward to seeing if Trump strokes out just from having his credibility impeached like this in a setting where he can't just walk away or silence the critics with an outburst.

And the best part is that even if a Trumpist on the jury prevents a verdict, that just results in a new trial where, among other things, he gets to have his credibility impeached again, just like this.

A real life Groundhogs Day. I like it

Out of the 91 felony counts, were any plea deals leaked that got refused?

Don't think I've heard of even one.

Amakusa posted...

No, it's not. Mistrials can be tried again. For one or both side(s) that can be detrimental to their case just as much as it could help them.

Well, maybe can be retried, it is about as settled as Roe v Wade was. The basing for hung juries and mistrials to be retried was on a ruling that decided that jeopardy is not attached until the verdict is decided. But more recent than that the Supreme Court has ruled jeopardy attaching when the jury is seated.

So should there be a hung jury or mistrial, fully expect a case before the SC on DJT claiming double jeopardy.

Tyranthraxus posted...

He's constitutionally allowed to. He can waive the right, and he did, but they still had to let him sit if he wanted to.

Then why was he requesting it as if he didn't? And what about cases where the jury is kept anonymous from the defendant, which is something that happened in one of his civil cases.

realnifty1 posted...

Well, maybe can be retried, it is about as settled as Roe v Wade was. The basing for hung juries and mistrials to be retried was on a ruling that decided that jeopardy is not attached until the verdict is decided. But more recent than that the Supreme Court has ruled jeopardy attaching when the jury is seated.

So should there be a hung jury or mistrial, fully expect a case before the SC on DJT claiming double jeopardy.

A hung jury leading to a mistrial does not lead to double jeopardy because that result brings the trial to a standstill with no resolution. Double Jeopardy applies when there's a final resolution to the case. Their actual angle from that point would be to go after the judge or the prosecutor for procedural violations.

Kradek posted...

Then why was he requesting it as if he didn't? And what about cases where the jury is kept anonymous from the defendant, which is something that happened in one of his civil cases.

I don't think you can keep juries anonymous from the defendant in a criminal trial.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't think you can keep juries anonymous from the defendant in a criminal trial.

I think you can, but not his lawyer.

A guy that just attack two witnesses, and lost two court cases defaming a woman he raped?

Yeah, that guy can not know who the individual jurors are.

mystic_belmont posted...

I guess they are using those to show a history of bad acts?

They'll be using these to impeach credibility and as a "Lol, this dude has done nothing but commit fraud at all times relevant to this case."

ThePieReborn posted...

They'll be using these to impeach credibility and as a "Lol, this dude has done nothing but commit fraud at all times relevant to this case."

I wonder if the prosecution will use the NY fraud trial to show that yes Trump has committed business fraud before.

mystic_belmont posted...

I wonder if the prosecution will use the NY fraud trial to show that yes Trump has committed business fraud before.

That's the first bout of conduct on the Tweeted cover page.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I don't think you can keep juries anonymous from the defendant in a criminal trial.

I'm pretty sure I heard someone saying yesterday it's been done before when necessary. Trump is definitely one of those cases because as Jack Smith successfully proved when Trump talks negatively about people it spurns domestic terrorists into a frenzy and brings on thousands of death threats, leading to people having to get protection such as the court employees in pretty much all of his cases now.

As another said, I'm pretty sure his lawyer substitutes for him personally in this, because they were the ones interviewing the potential jurors and Trump requested the ability to be able to personally stand there so he can glare at them in an effort to intimidate them, which he has a very demonstrable history of doing to witnesses and jurors. I don't see why he'd need to request that privilege if it was automatically given to him.

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1780715522570740064

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Amakusa posted...

A hung jury leading to a mistrial does not lead to double jeopardy because that result brings the trial to a standstill with no resolution. Double Jeopardy applies when there's a final resolution to the case. Their actual angle from that point would be to go after the judge or the prosecutor for procedural violations.

As it stands today, but you didn't read my whole post, but now I have time to source it so hopefully you can understand it better.

The foundation for retrial is from 1824, US vs Perez, which ruled based not on the Constitution but rather English Common Law that jeopardy does not attach until the verdict is rendered.

However, in Downum v US (1963), Crist v Bretz (1978), and Martinez v Illinois (2014), the Supreme Court has consistently held that the federal rule for trial by jury is that jeopardy attaches when a trial jury is sworn.

Should any of Donald's jury trials end in a mistrial or hung jury you can guarantee that he will take any attempts to re-try him to the SC and there is a very good chance he wins given which way they lean.

realnifty1 posted...

However, in Downum v US (1963), Crist v Bretz (1978), and Martinez v Illinois (2014), the Supreme Court has consistently held that the federal rule for trial by jury is that jeopardy attaches when a trial jury is sworn.

Should any of Donald's jury trials end in a mistrial or hung jury you can guarantee that he will take any attempts to re-try him to the SC and there is a very good chance he wins given which way they lean.

Is this strictly in the cases of hung juries or mistrials? Or can Cannon wait until the jury is set then dismiss charges against Trump, then Trump argue any further attempts to prosecute him for mishandling documents is double jeopardy?

realnifty1 posted...

As it stands today, but you didn't read my whole post, but now I have time to source it so hopefully you can understand it better.

The foundation for retrial is from 1824, US vs Perez, which ruled based not on the Constitution but rather English Common Law that jeopardy does not attach until the verdict is rendered.

However, in Downum v US (1963), Crist v Bretz (1978), and Martinez v Illinois (2014), the Supreme Court has consistently held that the federal rule for trial by jury is that jeopardy attaches when a trial jury is sworn.

Should any of Donald's jury trials end in a mistrial or hung jury you can guarantee that he will take any attempts to re-try him to the SC and there is a very good chance he wins given which way they lean.

While this is correct, the prevailing ruling has been that a hung jury does not terminate jeopardy, and thus the original jeopardy is being sustained into the retrial. Thus, no double jeopardy.

mystic_belmont posted...

I guess they are using those to show a history of bad acts?

It's not like they don't have about 90 billion examples to draw from.

https://twitter.com/joycewhitevance/status/1780726164648046960?s=46

Hes not going to stop doing this stuff until he gets some serious consequences

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/joycewhitevance/status/1780726164648046960?s=46

Hes not going to stop doing this stuff until he gets some serious consequences

he's literally going full on fascist already.

good thing he's probably the dumbest fascist leader ever

Remember how ridiculous everyone thought an Ace Attorney trial was? A Trump trial is starting to resemble one.

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/joycewhitevance/status/1780726164648046960?s=46

Hes not going to stop doing this stuff until he gets some serious consequences

He's oddly quiet about the chud who tried becoming a stealth juror for him and was tossed out by the judge after his social media account was found to be full of Trumper bullshit

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Remember how ridiculous everyone thought an Ace Attorney trial was? A Trump trial is starting to resemble one.

Ok but Ace Attorney defendants are innocent (typically)

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ok but Ace Attorney defendants are innocent (typically)

Except for that one dude.

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/joycewhitevance/status/1780726164648046960?s=46

Hes not going to stop doing this stuff until he gets some serious consequences

Throw his ass in jail already.

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/joycewhitevance/status/1780726164648046960?s=46

Hes not going to stop doing this stuff until he gets some serious consequences

It's amazing in the worst possible connotation the extent to which this guy will go to test the legal system's willingness to hold him accountable. I think he's unrivaled in this by the way he's doing it, only way to go up (or down) here is to be like Gotti and personally threaten/bribe witnesses and jurors.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Remember how ridiculous everyone thought an Ace Attorney trial was? A Trump trial is starting to resemble one.

Im waiting for them to cross examine a parrot

Throw his ass in jail. It's what they would do to any one of us.

ReiRei89 posted...

He's oddly quiet about the chud who tried becoming a stealth juror for him and was tossed out by the judge after his social media account was found to be full of Trumper bullshit

Of course he is. Because he only considers bias against him to be grounds for dismissal.

ReiRei89 posted...

He's oddly quiet about the chud who tried becoming a stealth juror for him and was tossed out by the judge after his social media account was found to be full of Trumper bullshit

He also has no criticism of how Judge Cannon is handling his case.

So its obvious at this point that his play is to argue juror bias if hes found guilty huh

TheGoldenEel posted...

So its obvious at this point that his play is to argue juror bias if hes found guilty huh

all the more reason to throw the book at him. He's a career criminal who's spent nearly his entire life in a court room, throw away the key.

Once he serves his time, he can cry about it all he wants.

TheGoldenEel posted...

So its obvious at this point that his play is to argue juror bias if hes found guilty huh

He's already been doing that for months by saying there's no way he could get a fair prosecution/jury in Manhattan and sought a venue change as part of that push.

This is just more personal because the jury is real and being selected.

Someone put this fucking asshole in jail already.

He keeps testing the waters of his immunity and he's right every fucking time I'm sick of it.

God can you imagine just how how royally fucked we as a country would be if someone SMART was an aspiring fascist? Oh my god it'd be curtains.

TheGoldenEel posted...

So its obvious at this point that his play is to argue juror bias if hes found guilty huh

"The attorney general is biased against me."
"The judge is biased against me."
"The jury is biased against me." <<< We Are Here <<<
"The appellate court judges are biased against me."
"The Supreme Court Justices are biased against me."

Cemith posted...

Someone put this fucking asshole in jail already.

He keeps testing the waters of his immunity and he's right every fucking time I'm sick of it.

God can you imagine just how how royally fucked we as a country would be if someone SMART was an aspiring fascist? Oh my god it'd be curtains.

This is why I'm not hopeful that Trump will ever see the inside of a prison cell even if he's found guilty in any of these criminal trials. He can just do shit that would easily land you or I in jail and nothing happens except maybe a lecture from the judge that he promptly ignores.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

This is why I'm not hopeful that Trump will ever see the inside of a prison cell even if he's found guilty in any of these criminal trials. He can just do shit that would easily land you or I in jail and nothing happens except maybe a lecture from the judge that he promptly ignores.

Aren't there mandatory minimums with the documents case? I agree, there's no way this case ends with jail time, but the charges only get more and more serious from here.

Cemith posted...

Someone put this fucking asshole in jail already.

He keeps testing the waters of his immunity and he's right every fucking time I'm sick of it.

God can you imagine just how how royally fucked we as a country would be if someone SMART was an aspiring fascist? Oh my god it'd be curtains.

Fascism is a clown show of nepotism and cronyism where competency is viewed as a threat to those already in power. A competent fascist is an exception, not the norm.

ReiRei89 posted...

He's oddly quiet about the chud who tried becoming a stealth juror for him and was tossed out by the judge after his social media account was found to be full of Trumper bullshit

Republicans and hypocrisy: name a more iconic duo.

Cmon baby, we need a conviction! Lets go

Hmmm. I got a notification for a new post, but whoever 198 is has me blocked. Interesting.

King_Rial posted...

Hmmm. I got a notification for a new post, but whoever 198 is has me blocked. Interesting.

It's CSCA33.