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Doe 04/16/24 12:54:08 PM #1: |
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/16/us/usc-valedictorian-commencement-speech-canceled/index.html
What was supposed to be a time of celebration for Asna Tabassum the University of Southern Californias 2024 valedictorian has turned to disappointment after the university denied her the chance to give a speech at commencement over security concerns.What a profoundly disappointing thing for a university to do. I thought the California unis were supposed to be better than this? Like I cannot believe this is happening in 2024. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 04/16/24 12:56:24 PM #2: |
Doe posted...
I am not surprised by those who attempt to propagate hatred. I am surprised that my own university my home for four years has abandoned me.The quote that matters most. It's capitulating to terrorism. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Diceheist 04/16/24 12:58:21 PM #3: |
To be clear: this decision has nothing to do with freedom of speech, said the provost, Guzman. There is no free-speech entitlement to speak at a commencement. Don't get why people resort to this useless smartass response. They know what the complaint is. --- ~ DH ~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 04/16/24 1:00:09 PM #4: |
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Tyranthraxus 04/16/24 1:00:33 PM #5: |
USC: "That Timmy guy over at fandom has some good ideas"
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LightningThief 04/16/24 1:01:26 PM #6: |
Fun fact, the state with the most amount of Trump votes, was California. I know some believe California to be a Blue haven, but there's a huge number of Trumpanzees in that state too. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 04/16/24 1:02:23 PM #7: |
Yeah yeah, that's a cowardly and stupid move on USC's part, but wait a minute...
Tabassum studied biomedical engineering with a minor in resistance to genocide That's an available minor? --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Were_Wyrm 04/16/24 1:02:32 PM #8: |
LightningThief posted...
Fun fact, the state with the most amount of Trump votes, was California.texans in shambles --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 04/16/24 1:02:41 PM #9: |
Sounds like they gave into domestic terrorist threats.
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cjsdowg 04/16/24 1:02:55 PM #10: |
This is the fake USC. Not the real one.
Diceheist posted... Don't get why people resort to this useless smartass response. They know what the complaint is. That was the most telling statement ever. --- Biden is the greatest President ever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pauIie 04/16/24 1:04:44 PM #11: |
Diceheist posted...
Don't get why people resort to this useless smartass response. They know what the complaint is.they probably heard people say it's not a free speech issue when someone got fired over being shitty and think they got something invoking it here. --- http://i.imgur.com/O5APL.jpg http://www.last.fm/user/jaeganja ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 04/16/24 1:04:49 PM #12: |
LightningThief posted... Fun fact, the state with the most amount of Trump votes, was California.I always wonder how California Republicans feel when Conservative media paints their state as pure liberal. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 04/16/24 1:05:01 PM #13: |
The bad PR from the College Presidents from Harvard, Penn, and MIT didn't help things either. But I hate the idea that criticizing the Israeli Government is somehow "anti-semetic".
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RetuenOfDevsman 04/16/24 1:07:00 PM #14: |
Doe posted...
I thought the California unis were supposed to be better than this? Like I cannot believe this is happening in 2024.It's because it's 2024. Censorship is making a comeback, thanks to Randall Munroe's enlightened comic that reminded people they could get away with it. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/16/24 1:08:05 PM #15: |
The people who can typically be counted on to decry the "anti-free speech" "cancel culture" of college campuses will mostly be silent on this, because it was never really about free speech, but about who you have to listen to.
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Serious_Cat 04/16/24 1:08:28 PM #16: |
K181 posted...
That's an available minor?Yes. Through the school's history department. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/16/24 1:14:12 PM #18: |
RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Universities are primarily liberal indoctrination facilities and only secondarily for education. Oh. Ok. I know what to tag you as now. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 04/16/24 1:15:19 PM #19: |
I appreciate when users let me know to give them an easy tag.
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LightningThief 04/16/24 1:19:09 PM #20: |
RetuenOfDevsman posted... Universities are primarily liberal indoctrination facilities and only secondarily for education.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/355b7dd7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 04/16/24 1:19:10 PM #21: |
RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Universities are primarily liberal indoctrination facilities and only secondarily for education. Hope this is sarcasm. If not then it now makes sense as to why you think literally everything on Youtube is fake bullshit created for Youtube (referring to you not knowing that cat-fisting was a thing people in the South actually do and have done long before Youtube ever existed). --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 04/16/24 1:22:07 PM #22: |
Reading the topic title, I thought, "Surely there must be more to this," but nope, that's just literally what they did.
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Prestoff 04/16/24 1:23:34 PM #23: |
I'll be the person to admit that many Universities definitely do have a liberal leaning, but most of it is out of empathy for others in misfortunate circumstances and how to make it better for them. I can imagine a university with a conservative leaning be something like PragerU that would just resort to, fear everything that isn't white or christian.
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X8Azazel8X 04/16/24 1:27:13 PM #24: |
Well it shows they have no faith in their own educational system if she is the valedictorian and they dont think she is capable of doing a speech that wont spark so called security concerns. It shws the foundation of thier whole educational system is made of less than clay. It hurts the university more than any safty concerna that they are pretending could be.
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RetuenOfDevsman 04/16/24 1:27:50 PM #25: |
Kradek posted...
Hope this is sarcasm. If not then it now makes sense as to why you think literally everything on Youtube is fake bullshit created for Youtube (referring to you not knowing that cat-fisting was a thing people in the South actually do and have done long before Youtube ever existed).I still refuse to believe that's a thing that happens in the Western world today. If by "long before YouTube" you mean 200+ years, then yes, that I can believe. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterpug53 04/16/24 1:30:52 PM #26: |
RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Universities are primarily liberal indoctrination facilities and only secondarily for education. One day I'd like to see a 'new user' here who starts off posting deliberately-provocative apolitical topics that doesn't eventually (and predictably) devolve into right-wing shitposting. Rarer than a unicorn with a horn shaped like a four-leaf clover, that. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/16/24 1:32:15 PM #27: |
masterpug53 posted...
One day I'd like to see a 'new user' here who starts off posting deliberately-provocative apolitical topics that doesn't eventually (and predictably) devolve into right-wing shitposting. Rarer than a unicorn with a horn shaped like a four-leaf clover, that.Unfortunately that can't happen anymore even if the unicorn existed --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/16/24 1:34:24 PM #28: |
Also can we please call it noodling and not cat-fisting -_-
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jefffan 04/16/24 1:35:02 PM #29: |
USC is a private school. So technically they can do what they want.
Doesn't mean its isn't still bullshit though. --- Ernest Morgan: November 15, 1956-September 28, 2010: Best dad in the world. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pazzy 04/16/24 1:36:23 PM #30: |
I was hoping that this was click bait... I was really hoping that. No offense to op. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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philsov 04/16/24 1:39:05 PM #31: |
Graduate: "Can I see your evidence?"
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RetuenOfDevsman 04/16/24 1:41:38 PM #32: |
Mods gonna mod
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UnsteadyOwl 04/16/24 1:43:23 PM #33: |
Horrible decision on the part of the school.
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gigageek1500 04/16/24 1:52:26 PM #35: |
NPR had a little more context for this. Tabassum had posted on social media about Palestine, and a student group "Trojans (the USC mascot) for Israel" objected. USC claims that that objection grew beyond the college but is very unclear about how that relates to safety.
I just wanted to clarify because stances on events in the Middle East are related to but not the same as Muslim or Jewish identity, so given this context I thought the topic title was a little misleading. For instance, I think in this case the same thing would have probably happened with an irreligious white student who had the same social media posts. --- "Like you're standing in front of them with your hands behind your back, and then present a small ribbon-wrapped gift to them." Duskmon on the colon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow_Don 04/16/24 2:20:47 PM #36: |
Calling for a one state solution and explicitly stating that nobody should be ethnically cleansed from that state is not antisemitism.
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DrizztLink 04/16/24 2:25:11 PM #37: |
RetuenOfDevsman posted...
It's because it's 2024. Censorship is making a comeback, thanks to Randall Munroe's enlightened comic that reminded people they could get away with it.You seem really upset about a comic dedicated to telling bigots to shut the fuck up. Why are you so upset about a comic dedicated to telling bigots to shut the fuck up? --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 04/16/24 2:26:33 PM #38: |
Antifar posted...
The people who can typically be counted on to decry the "anti-free speech" "cancel culture" of college campuses will mostly be silent on this, because it was never really about free speech, but about who you have to listen to.Yeah. We've pretty much learned that most people actually aren't free speech absolutist. It's always been about a disagreement on which speech someone thinks should be allowed. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 04/16/24 2:31:37 PM #39: |
RetuenOfDevsman posted...
I still refuse to believe that's a thing that happens in the Western world today. If by "long before YouTube" you mean 200+ years, then yes, that I can believe. Once again, your refusal and/or ignorance of it happening doesn't mean it wasn't and isn't. The show King of the Hill has an episode depicting it that predates Youtube by a year. That's where I get the term "cat-fisting" from, as it's not the technical term, but who cares that's way better and a more accurate description. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McMarbles 04/16/24 2:38:46 PM #40: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
USC: "That Timmy guy over at fandom has some good ideas"I was so looking forward to her speech, titled "Breeding sloppy mommy milkers." --- Currently playing: Final Fantasy VI Pixel Remaster (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PissedOffMonk 04/16/24 2:41:56 PM #41: |
Stupid move by USC. Theres little hope protestors wont show up to disrupt the ceremony now. If theyre willing to walk onto freeways and bridges, trespassing a venue to protest should be easy, peasy, free palesteezy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 04/16/24 2:44:59 PM #42: |
Once again proving that the real cancel culture isn't the shit right wingers cry about.
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X8Azazel8X 04/16/24 5:07:15 PM #43: |
gigageek1500 posted...
NPR had a little more context for this. Tabassum had posted on social media about Palestine, and a student group "Trojans (the USC mascot) for Israel" objected. USC claims that that objection grew beyond the college but is very unclear about how that relates to safety. Yeah i looked this up after i saw your post and she did more than that. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/16/usc-valedictorian-speech-palestine At the top of Tabassums Instagram account, a link directs users to a slideshow encouraging readers to learn about whats happening in Palestine and how to help. The presentation also advocates for one Palestinian state, saying that would mean Palestinian liberation and the complete abolishment of the state of Israel. Although Tabassum told NBCs Los Angeles affiliate that she posted the link five years earlier and did not author the slideshow, pro-Israel and Jewish groups objected to USCs selection of her as valedictorian based on her social media activity. One group in particular, Trojans for Israel, said it strongly supports the right to free expression including informed criticism of the Israeli government. However, rhetoric that denies the right of the Jewish people to self-determination or calls for the destruction of the only Jewish state in the world must be denounced as antisemitic bigotry. The group added: All eligible valedictory candidates have valuable work ethic and accomplishments, but the university chose a candidate who publicly propagates antisemitic and anti-Zionist rhetoric as the most esteemed representative of the class of 2024. So essentially its a compromise. As they tried to disqualify her all together the university just revoked her being able to do a speech instead. I dont agree with their contrived statement about it but i do agree with the decision. She also seems a little disingenuous about this as well. --- No matter how gaudy you make your appearance...it is only a facade.. *Obama/Biden/Harris Elected* Hopes Rise..Fears Shatter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 04/16/24 5:15:43 PM #44: |
I looked and here's evidence the pro Israel groups cited in her social media likes as her being an antisemite
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f7c81070.jpg ... they highlight "abolish Israel" and imply it shows she's calling for the genocide of Jewish people despite minoring in "resistance to genocide"... but the very next clause, not even next sentence but the next clause after the semicolon, is saying the opposite, that people should all remain in the land just without apartheid. "Compromise" is very very generous IMO. This college apparently has programs studying genocide and apartheid and resistance but when the time comes that a student who took those classes gets great grades and extracurriculars, they back off and say "we won't risk her actually speaking what she learned in our classes!" --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 04/16/24 5:15:51 PM #45: |
X8Azazel8X posted...
Yeah i looked this up after i saw your post and she did more than that. That isn't a compromise. --- Biden is the greatest President ever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoxObscuras 04/16/24 5:29:28 PM #46: |
Doe posted...
I looked and here's evidence the pro Israel groups cited in her social media likes as her being an antisemiteYeah they're the ones being disingenuous. Even without that clause, it should be clear that "abolish Israel" is not at all comparable to supporting genocide. Hopefully this story making rounds online gets enough pushback for USC to allow her speech. --- Steam/Xbox/PSN = NoxObscuras Z490 | i9-10900K | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3600 | 4TB SSD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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X8Azazel8X 04/17/24 2:16:41 AM #47: |
Doe posted...
I looked and here's evidence the pro Israel groups cited in her social media likes as her being an antisemite I dont understand what this is saying. Did she write this? As in my link they cited a link she has in her profile. She says she didnt write this. Either way the texts is contradictory saying Israel should be abolished then going on to say both isralites and palestinians can live together. And you say its a jump but to abolish israel wouldn't happen unless they lose some war and are either all forced to leave or destroyed. As for the apartheid the lines were drawn in other conflicts such as when they fought off the british and officially claimed the land as far as i know and their differences werw never settled. I think this is very different from africa apparteid. Either way all she says is this was from 5 years ago....yet she still has it in her profile now. And doesn't seem to clarify it saying she doesn't want to abolish israel or say she would remove the link either. cjsdowg posted... That isn't a compromise. Eh neither side got what they fully wanted and both sides got something. Its the dictionary definition of compromise. --- No matter how gaudy you make your appearance...it is only a facade.. *Obama/Biden/Harris Elected* Hopes Rise..Fears Shatter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CobraGT 04/17/24 2:38:57 AM #48: |
Canceling her speech is wrong. If commencement is not safe, they should cancel commencement.
They just made the statement that their Valedictorian is a danger to them. *Shame* --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andel 04/17/24 2:46:04 AM #49: |
advocating for a 'one state solution' is advocating for genocide, regardless of which state someone thinks should cease to exist. it isn't possible to abolish israel or palestine without an actual genocide occurring
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ssjevot 04/17/24 3:07:38 AM #50: |
I think people misunderstand what "liberal indoctrination" or whatever you call it is in colleges. I worked for the University of Washington as an adjunct professor. It's an anti-labor, profit seeking shit hole that only cares about paying teaching staff as little as possible, skimming as much as possible off of grants, and charging students as much as possible in tuition. The reason you see so many foreign students will be coded with liberal buzzwords like diversity, but the reality is it's wealthy people from other countries that can afford the higher tuition rates they get to charge foreign students. Meanwhile adjuncts receive pay less than a single undergraduate's tuition to teach a class to hundreds only to have their yearly contract disappear without warning once it's time to cycle in the fresh PhD. Meanwhile you are actively told not to grade students harshly and ignore cheeting because the goal is to simply cycle as many students through as possible. Teacher evaluations don't matter either, it's all performative.
So what does that have to do with this topic? All this resistance to genocide coursework is just marketing. They think her speech would damage their revenue stream, so they are cancelling it. That's the reality of academia at these places. The right goes on and on about woke whatever and it just distracts people from the rampant profit seeking going on. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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