Board 8 > What four home consoles are on the Video Game Consoles Mount Rushmore?

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It feels weird not having anything from the 90s, but it's a tough Rushmore. Only one I feel like budging on is the 360, but I think what it did for online and modern non-Nintendo games justifies it being on here.

NES
PS1
PS2
Switch

I really wanted to add the Commodore 64 but I couldn't justify it.

NES
N64
PS2
Wii

Someone explain the lack of N64 votes. I thought that was a lock

Neo Geo
Atari Jaguar
N-Gage
Ouya

MarkS2222222222 posted...

Someone explain the lack of N64 votes. I thought that was a lock

It was a cartridge system when CDs were taking over and lost Nintendo a bunch of 3rd party series to PlayStation like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. It also got like tripled in sales by the PS1 and didn't even sell as much as the SNES. It has no business being anywhere near this Mount Rushmore tbh

MarkS2222222222 posted...

Someone explain the lack of N64 votes. I thought that was a lock

The N64 should only be on a Rushmore if you just want to demonstrate how Nintendo lost its rock solid grip on the video game market.

like yeah it's right up our alley but it's not exactly a total success story

Atari 2600
NES
PS2
Switch

SNES is what doesn't belong here from the popular options, I think

PS2
Dreamcast
Xbox 360
Wii

I got one from each major company. Sorry 2600 and NES.

Like, yeah, the N64 doesn't belong here, but the SNES doesn't either. It had good games, but that's kinda it - what did it innovate? Four buttons on its controller? It's a nostalgia pick.

it innovated being the best console ever made imhotbqh

the best console ever made is PC because it can play everything else but you guys aren't ready for that conversation smh

Hbthebattle posted...

the best console ever made is PC because it can play everything else but you guys aren't ready for that conversation smh

Get out

NES
PS1
360
SATURN, fight me about it lol (Though this probably should be like the 2600 or the Commodore 64 or something)

Hbthebattle posted...

the best console ever made is PC because it can play everything else but you guys aren't ready for that conversation smh

this is as dumb as the people who say that consoles with backwards compatibility are better than their predecessors because it includes the entire previous library

MacArrowny posted...

this is as dumb as the people who say that consoles with backwards compatibility are better than their predecessors because it includes the entire previous library

Backwards compatibility is a useful feature, especially the digital library style that Sony and Microsoft have been doing recently. I'm not actually including PC, it's not actually a console so it's disqualified, but I think considering it is valid.

Frankly even if we were considering PC-native games alone as its "console" I would definitely argue it over SNES, Genesis, or N64.

MacArrowny posted...

SNES and Genesis are pretty silly entries, but I guess that's the power of nostalgia.

I put the Genesis on mine because it was the first system after the NES came out that really made Nintendo flinch a little bit. It was the first home console that actually made them look somewhat vulnerable and incentivized more competition in the industry, and there was the famous console wars thing that can still be felt to some degree even today (albeit with Sega not part of them obviously). It's hard for me to not think the thing didn't have at least a little influence on Sony joining the console game later.

There's also things like it being a huge leap in tech from the NES (remember the SNES would not release for another 2-3 years, and though the TG-16/PC Engine was also a huge leap from the NES it wasn't even a truly 16-bit system and flopped outside Japan) but that's mostly why I picked it. And yeah I love the thing I'll admit that.

a brief N64 thing: it's a solid system, but it's also more than somewhat an American thing. the thing got outsold in Japan by the Saturn, and got decimated in Europe by the PS1 way harder than it did in the US.

My rushmore just for game quality would probably be SNES/PS1/PS2/idk lots of systems can go in the last spot in my opinion. god knows the games (by today's standards anyway) are not why I put the 2600 up there.

AbsolutelyNoOne posted...

the thing got outsold in Japan by the Saturn

As it should.
The Saturn...especially in Japan, was awesome.

MacArrowny posted...

this is as dumb as the people who say that consoles with backwards compatibility are better than their predecessors because it includes the entire previous library

I also dislike the very tiresome people who judge the PSP or whatever by its emulation abilities.

NES
PS1
PS2
Switch

Atari 2600
NES
SNES
Playstation

Xtlm posted...

The Saturn...especially in Japan, was awesome.

The Saturn does indeed slap. It's a shame they fumbled it so hard. It has a sweet name too

Leonhart4 posted...

Yeah, I don't understand having the Wii instead of the Switch. The Switch has done everything the Wii did, only better. I think you can only put the Wii on here if you're just giving it credit for doing it first.

Absolutely, and even then you could say the NES, PS1, and PS2 were also breaking into the mainstream before the Wii.

Sure the Wii was a huge moment but so was the Switch. There are lots of people who have only ever owned a Switch as well, especially those who got one in the pandemic.

The things you can say for the Wii are that it codified Nintendos plans to not go all in power, it normalised releasing old games on modern consoles, and motion controls are here to stay, albeit as a minor feature. None of that quite adds up to Rushmore worthy. It was also amusingly I think the first home console with wifi capabilities out of the box as the OG Xbox 360 didnt have it, but nobody is touting the Wii as the most important online console.

Lets be real though: the SNES is an absolute pretender to the throne here. No reason to vote for it at all other than nostalgia, sure it had a great library but so do all of these except the NES. Honestly even the N64 has a place above the SNES due to its importance in the shift to 3D.

Anyway, the 360 is a system I never even owned but should absolutely be on here because of how important it was to modern gaming, especially with its use of online features. Its the base of all current consoles, were all basically playing Xbox 360s now.

Specifically I chose SNES and Genesis because they started "the console wars" which I think is a big part of the identity of console gaming.

I probably keep SNES regardless but Genesis might replace with Wii or 360. MAYBE replace both with both but I do think SNES library being as strong as it was at the time it was matters.

NES

and below

SNES
DreamCast
PlayStation

Lopen posted...

Specifically I chose SNES and Genesis because they started "the console wars" which I think is a big part of the identity of console gaming.

I probably keep SNES regardless but Genesis might replace with Wii or 360. MAYBE replace both with both but I do think SNES library being as strong as it was at the time it was matters.

I love SNES/Genesis as the Magic/Bird of consoles, and I wish I could put them up as an untieable duo on the same spot, but as a Genesis kid, picking from the two... I know that I got to play great games, but I missed out on more great games.

LightningStrikes posted...

Absolutely, and even then you could say the NES, PS1, and PS2 were also breaking into the mainstream before the Wii.

Sure the Wii was a huge moment but so was the Switch. There are lots of people who have only ever owned a Switch as well, especially those who got one in the pandemic.

The things you can say for the Wii are that it codified Nintendos plans to not go all in power, it normalised releasing old games on modern consoles, and motion controls are here to stay, albeit as a minor feature. None of that quite adds up to Rushmore worthy. It was also amusingly I think the first home console with wifi capabilities out of the box as the OG Xbox 360 didnt have it, but nobody is touting the Wii as the most important online console.

Lets be real though: the SNES is an absolute pretender to the throne here. No reason to vote for it at all other than nostalgia, sure it had a great library but so do all of these except the NES. Honestly even the N64 has a place above the SNES due to its importance in the shift to 3D.

Anyway, the 360 is a system I never even owned but should absolutely be on here because of how important it was to modern gaming, especially with its use of online features. Its the base of all current consoles, were all basically playing Xbox 360s now.

Wii was a cultural moment. Don't you remember hearing about nursing homes with Wiis because they could play Wii Sports? Do you remember how much of a flop Wii U was?

Switch is obviously "better" than Wii but it does not have the impact that Wii did. It should be on the Rushmore for the same reason it's NES over SNES and PS1 over PS2 (though that one is much more debatable).

Atari 2600 is also an easy choice because, prior to the NES, it defined home console gaming at the dawn of home console gaming.

Lopen posted...

Specifically I chose SNES and Genesis because they started "the console wars" which I think is a big part of the identity of console gaming.

does anyone care about console wars anymore i feel like that died over a decade ago

Console wars are a dead fad so if were holding that against the Wii we should hold it against SNES and Genesis

Hbthebattle posted...

Atari 2600
NES
PS2
Switch

SNES is what doesn't belong here from the popular options, I think

Fuck it, change 2600 to Wii. Might as well ensure one of those two win.

NES
SNES
PS2
Wii

Maybe the Switch should belong her, but I have never used it as a home console. As far as I'm concerned it's a portable system with an adapter. If the Switch dock counts as a home console, then the Super Game Boy and the Game Boy Player should also count since they do the exact same thing.

I would say the Switch was also definitely a giant cultural moment of reaching people that had never touched games before. It was just at its height during the pandemic so not as much dedicated attention to it as the Wii (though I still saw it get covered on the news).

MZero posted...

does anyone care about console wars anymore i feel like that died over a decade ago

Unfortunately console wars still exist but have been largely confined to Twitter. But yeah if anything console wars should be a point AGAINST getting on the Rushmore!

My heart wants to say the four Sega consoles, but my brain says:

NES
PS1
PS2
WII

These four systems domniated their competition.

cyko posted...

Maybe the Switch should belong her, but I have never used it as a home console. As far as I'm concerned it's a portable system with an adapter. If the Switch dock counts as a home console, then the Super Game Boy and the Game Boy Player should also count since they do the exact same thing.

Not necessarily. The Switch performs better docked than in handheld mode (better FPS, higher resolution, etc.) so it's not the exact same experience. Also, some games can't be played in handheld mode!

Lopen posted...

Specifically I chose SNES and Genesis because they started "the console wars" which I think is a big part of the identity of console gaming.

I picked them for the same reason.

Then PS2 because its the PS2, and the 360 because it created the blueprint for online console gaming.

PS2
Wii
Xbox
SNES

PS2
Xbox 360
PS1
SNES

NES
PS2
Wii
Switch

2600
NES
Genesis
Playstation 2

Not surprising to not see one single mention of any 8th gen console.

Honestly, a good argument for the N64 is that it probably has the highest concentration of good games of any major console with their entire libraries taken into account

Underleveled posted...

Honestly, a good argument for the N64 is that it probably has the highest concentration of good games of any major console with their entire libraries taken into account

This is a very positive spin on "the N64 doesn't have a big library"

Also, Dreamcast.

NES
PS2
360
Wii

In the N64's defense, it has Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for single-player impacts while Mario Kart 64 and Goldeneye shined for multi-player impacts. Its library isn't too deep and Goldeneye doesn't hold up so well a quarter-century later, but those were then-exclusive titans of that era that would stand up well in similar comparisons against most systems.

I'm not picking N64 for the Rushmore, even though it was arguably my favorite system. It has games you can't ignore, yes, but I think other consoles have stronger arguments.

Yes, the N64 is a very top heavy console, but you have to ignore a lot of its negatives to include it on a Rushmore. If you want to include a Nintendo console for its library, just pick the SNES.

But you shouldnt pick SNES either! Nothing about it really changed the status quo from the NES era in the industry. The games looked better and played better but thats most generational leaps until recently.

it's totally okay to just include "the best one ever" on a Rushmore

you don't just have to pick stuff based on cultural relevance

Yes, the N64 had two games that set the standard for their respective genres pretty early in its lifespan (3D platformer & FPS)

Also was arguably the best party console ever as it came with 4 controller ports w/o any add-ons needed

Is it the best one ever though