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04/25/24 9:03:04 AM
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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:35:40 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_Jerusalem_as_capital_of_Israel

On December 6, 2017, the United States of America officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital city of the State of Israel.[1] American president Donald Trump, who signed the presidential proclamation, also ordered the relocation of the American diplomatic mission to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, constituting what is now the Embassy of the United States in Jerusalem, which was established on the grounds of the former Consulate General of the United States in Jerusalem.[2][3] Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu welcomed the decision and praised the announcement by the Trump administration. On December 8, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson clarified that Trump's statement "did not indicate any final status for Jerusalem" and "was very clear that the final status, including the borders, would be left to the two parties to negotiate and decide" in reference to the recognition's impact on the IsraeliPalestinian peace process.[4]

Trump's decision was rejected by the vast majority of world leaders; the United Nations Security Council held an emergency meeting on December 7, where 14 out of 15 members condemned it, but the motion was overturned by U.S. veto power.[5] The United Kingdom, France, Japan, Italy, and Sweden were among the countries who criticized Trump's decision at the meeting.[6] Other countries supported the move; Guatemala affirmed their intent to issue a follow-up on the U.S. recognition and relocate their diplomatic mission to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, and the Czech Republic, Honduras, Paraguay, and Romania stated that they were also considering the same course of action.[7] Italian politician Federica Mogherini, as the foreign policy chief of the European Union (EU), stated that all EU member countries were united on the issue of Jerusalemshe reaffirmed the EU's firm stance on East Jerusalem being the capital of an independent Palestinian state.[8] By late 2022, only Guatemala, Honduras, and Kosovo had established diplomatic missions to Israel in Jerusalem; Paraguay reversed their 2018 decision within months, and the Honduran foreign ministry has since stated that they are considering a reversal of their decision as well.[9][10]
The Palestinian National Authority stated that the recognition and relocation disqualifies the U.S. from mediating peace talks, while Hamas called for the beginning of a new intifada against Israel in the aftermath of Trump's declaration.[11][12][13] Following the U.S. announcement, Palestinians held demonstrations throughout the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and pro-Palestinian demonstrations were held in various countries around the world.[14] By December 25, 2017, Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip had fired almost 30 rockets towards Israel; though almost half of the rockets landed within the Gaza Strip itself, two of them inflicted minor property damage in Israel, having landed near the cities of Ashkelon and Sderot. In the aftermath of the attacks, Hamas reportedly arrested the perpetrating militants in an attempt to prevent an Israeli military response, which never occurred.[15][16]
On February 23, 2018, the U.S. State Department announced that the new American embassy in Israel was scheduled to open in May of that year.[17] It was officially inaugurated in Jerusalem on May 14, 2018a date coinciding with Israel's 70th Yom Ha'atzmaut. Representatives from 32 countries were present at the event, including EU members Austria, the Czech Republic, and Romania.[18] Along the GazaIsrael border, the Israeli military responded to a massive Palestinian protest with tear gas and sniper fire, resulting in the deaths of at least 58 Palestinians and marking the highest single-day death toll since the 2014 Gaza War.[19][20][21] The Israeli government defended the military's use of force as having been a necessary measure in the face of the protesters' throwing of rocks and explosives towards the Israelis. Just over a year later, on March 25, 2019, the Trump administration signed in another U.S. presidential proclamation recognizing the Golan Heights as part of Israel.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:36:55 AM
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Notable:

The Palestinian National Authority stated that the recognition and relocation disqualifies the U.S. from mediating peace talks, while Hamas called for the beginning of a new intifada against Israel in the aftermath of Trump's declaration.[11][12][13] Following the U.S.


Palestinian officials said the announcement disqualifies the United States from peace talks.[13] Palestinian prime minister Rami Hamdallah said the policy change "destroys the peace process".[54] Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas gave a speech where he said the decision meant the United States was "abdicating its role as a peace mediator".[49] Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki similarly said the United States could no longer act as a mediator in the peace process because it had become a party to the dispute.[55] Adnan al-Husayni asked the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.[56]
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ssb_yunglink2
04/25/24 9:38:57 AM
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 9:42:39 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Notable:

The Palestinian National Authority stated that the recognition and relocation disqualifies the U.S. from mediating peace talks, while Hamas called for the beginning of a new intifada against Israel in the aftermath of Trump's declaration.[11][12][13] Following the U.S.


Palestinian officials said the announcement disqualifies the United States from peace talks.[13] Palestinian prime minister Rami Hamdallah said the policy change "destroys the peace process".[54] Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas gave a speech where he said the decision meant the United States was "abdicating its role as a peace mediator".[49] Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki similarly said the United States could no longer act as a mediator in the peace process because it had become a party to the dispute.[55] Adnan al-Husayni asked the Organization of Islamic Cooperation to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine.[56]

Were they wrong?
And why the Biden administration didn't cancel the decision? Is it because Biden wanted the same thing, being a Zionist like he proclaimed,?

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BignutzisBack
04/25/24 9:43:46 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Were they wrong?
And why the Biden administration didn't cancel the decision?

Same reason he continues 90% of Trump's tariffs

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cjsdowg
04/25/24 9:52:13 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
And why the Biden administration didn't cancel the decision?


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steve_madsci
04/25/24 9:54:01 AM
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BignutzisBack posted...
Same reason he continues 90% of Trump's tariffs
It's almost as if Democrats are complicit
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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 9:59:10 AM
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From jpost, the horses own mouth.

RndmNmber1 posted...
Were they wrong?
And why the Biden administration didn't cancel the decision? Is it because Biden wanted the same thing, being a Zionist like he proclaimed,?

https://m.jpost.com/israeli-news/article-712210

Without saying a word about it, Biden made a nuanced change from his predecessor in Washingtons view on Israels capital.

As with all diplomatic visits, most of the action took place in Jerusalem, which Prime Minister Yair Lapid and President Isaac Herzog made sure to call Israels eternal capital in their remarks at different events with Biden.

Notably, they did not call Jerusalem Israels undivided capital, as their predecessors often did which is just as well, because Biden seemed determined to divide the city, if not in his words, then in his actions and policies.

The Biden administration has been trying to reopen the consulate to the Palestinians in Jerusalem for the past year, while Israel has refused to allow it on the grounds that the city is the capital of only one nation. In lieu of reopening the consulate, the State Department recently upgraded it from the Palestinian Affairs Unit to the US Office of Palestinian Affairs, which answers directly to Washington.

Whether Biden admits it or not - and he also denied it when asked directly in Thursdays press conference - he made clear what the US thinks the municipal boundaries of Jerusalem should be by not allowing Israelis to visit Augusta Victoria with him and removing the Israeli flag from his car.

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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:01:03 AM
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That didn't explain why the Biden administration didn't cancel the decision.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:01:45 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
That didn't explain why the Biden administration didn't cancel the decision.

It did actually
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McMarbles
04/25/24 10:02:03 AM
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Surely he will save Palestine!

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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:03:30 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
It did actually

And they claimed they arent cultists like Trumpists.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:05:10 AM
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McMarbles posted...
Surely he will save Palestine!

Trump first move in office might be to say Palestine doesn't exist. Similar stance he did in 2017 but more explicit.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:05:43 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
And they claimed they arent cultists like Trumpists.

So you refuse to read the article? It literally addresses it with a whole paragraph.

Fyi this is jpost an Israel news site that is saying so
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Heineken14
04/25/24 10:06:17 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
And they claimed they arent cultists like Trumpists.

https://imgur.com/RffLxxD.gif

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:12:44 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
https://imgur.com/RffLxxD.gif

Imagine calling me a cultist. Dude gotta be deep into the MAGA.
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:14:29 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
So you refuse to read the article? It literally addresses it with a whole paragraph.

Fyi this is jpost an Israel news site that is saying so

This guy really thinks posting Israel news site for pro Israel issue makes it right lmao.

He must've think that Israel news sites are beacon of truth.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:17:12 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
This guy really thinks posting Israel news site for pro Israel issue makes it right lmao.

A pro Israel site said Biden wanted to install the Palestinian consulate but Israel stonewalled him.
They are pro Israel site and admit that.
They also said Biden recognized Palestine unlike his predecessor.

These are criticisms they as a pro Israel site have against Biden.

Yet you claim he did not. You are lying if you continue to say that as you now have been given new information you were apparently hopefully ignorant of.
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:21:02 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
A pro Israel site said Biden wanted to install the Palestinian consulate but Israel stonewalled him.
They are pro Israel site and admit that.
They also said Biden recognized Palestine unlike his predecessor.

These are criticisms they as a pro Israel site have against Biden.

Yet you claim he did not. You are lying if you continue to say that as you now have been given new information you were apparently hopefully ignorant of.

Those are the words of Jpost, not Biden himself.
In that article opening it even said that Biden didn't make a word about it.

And Biden still doesn't cancel the decision despite having the power, that's an absolute truth.

All you guys dud just making excuses for him.
It's no different than Trumpers with their "what he actually did/mean is...".


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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:22:48 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Those are the words of Jpost, not Biden himself.
In that article opening it even said that Biden didn't make a word about it.

And Biden still doesn't cancel the decision despite having the power, that's an absolute truth.

All you guys dud just making excuses for him.
It's no different than Trumpers with their "what he actually did/mean is...".

Is Jpost pro Jerusalem?
Yes or no?

So if Biden is their biggest ally ever why would they in their pro Israel own words say HE IS NOT. Trump was.

Trump ... was.
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:24:32 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Is Jpost pro Jerusalem?
Yes or no?

So if Biden is their biggest ally ever why would they in their pro Israel own words say HE IS NOT. Trump was.

Trump ... was.

You're trying too hard to portrays Biden on the opposite side of Trump in the Palestinian issue.
They're are not. They're both Israel's Puppets.

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s0nicfan
04/25/24 10:27:11 AM
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Casual reminder that US Congress passed a law in 1995 saying that they were going to do all of that and then a special 6-month waiver was signed by the president, and every president since, every 6 months to delay the enactment. Even Trump sign the waiver until the Senate voted 90 to 0 to recognize the act, and then only after that was the embassy moved.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act
The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995[1] is a public law of the United States passed by the 104th Congress on October 23, 1995. The proposed law was adopted by the Senate (935),[2] and the House (37437).[3] The Act became law without a presidential signature on November 8, 1995.

The Act recognized Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel and called for Jerusalem to remain an undivided city. Its purpose was to set aside funds for the relocation of the Embassy of the United States in Israel from its location in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, by May 31, 1999. For this purpose, it withheld 50% of the funds appropriated to the State Department specifically for "Acquisition and Maintenance of Buildings Abroad" as allocated in fiscal year 1999 until the United States Embassy in Jerusalem had officially opened.[4]

Despite passage, the law allowed the President to invoke a six-month waiver of the application of the law, and reissue the waiver every six months on "national security" grounds. The waiver was repeatedly renewed by Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama.[5] President Donald Trump signed a waiver in June 2017. On June 5, 2017, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution commemorating the 50th anniversary of reunification of Jerusalem by 900. The resolution reaffirmed the Jerusalem Embassy Act and called upon the President and all United States officials to abide by its provisions.[6] On December 6, 2017, Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital,[7] and ordered the planning of the relocation of the embassy.[8][9] However, following the announcement, Trump signed an embassy waiver again, delaying the move, as mandated by the Act, by at least six months.[10][11] Legally, however, the U.S. embassy can be moved at any time without reliance on the Act.

On February 23, 2018, President Trump announced that the US Embassy in Israel would reopen at the Arnona consular services site of the then US Consulate-General in Jerusalem. The United States Embassy officially relocated to Jerusalem on May 14, 2018, to coincide with the 70th anniversary of the Israeli Declaration of Independence.[12][13]

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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:29:12 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Even Trump sign the waiver until the Senate voted 90 to 0 to recognize the act, and then only after that was the embassy moved.

90 to 0.
So it means the Dems also voted for it.

Tell me again why "both sides" is wrong in this issue?

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:30:50 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
You're trying too hard to portrays Biden on the opposite side of Trump in the Palestinian issue.
They're are not. They're both Israel's Puppets.

Ah dodging the question now huh?
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:33:06 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Ah dodging the question now huh?

Are you even real?
I called you out for using Israeli news source and you asking if i think Jpost is pro Jerusalem?

Of course i fucking do, and that's why i don't fucking trust them! Think!

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:36:25 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Of course i f***ing do, and that's why i don't f***ing trust them! Think!

Now follow along

Jpost is pro Jerusalem

Jpost says Biden is recognizing Palestine

Jpost says his predecessor did not

What is the purpose of Jpost saying this?
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:38:14 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Now follow along

Jpost is pro Jerusalem

Jpost says Biden is recofnizing Palestine

Jpost says his predecessor did not

What is the purpoae of Jpost saying this?

Biden us pro Israel
Israel news source making him looks good, but in actuality he's still slave to Israel.
Fools believed the lies.


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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:39:27 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Biden us pro Israel
Israel news source making him looks good, but in actuality he's still slave to Israel.
Fools believed the lies.

They did not make him look good. Their readers are pro Israel. Saying he is lesser than his predecessor on Israel is saying Trump is better than him.

Get it yet?
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:40:56 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
They did not make him look good. Their readers are pro Israel. Saying he is lesser than his predecessor on Israel is saying Trump is better than him.

Get it yet?

And yet you use the same article to convince us that Biden is the good guy.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:42:36 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
And yet you use the same article to convince us that Biden is the good guy.

No I used the article to help you learn facts you did not know.
You asked a question about Biden stance on what Trump did and the article answered it.

Now you are upset about the answer.
So why did you ask?

Gotta accept facts when you learn them.
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:45:40 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
No I uses to the article to help you learn facts you did not know.
You asked a question about Biden stance on what Trump did and the article answered it.

Now you are upset about the answer.
So why did you ask?

Gotta accept facts when you learn them.

Speaking of facts, the fact that Biden didn't cancel the decision is still undeniable.
All you did making excuses why he didn't.
What do you usually call the people who will blindly defend their idol huh?

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:47:21 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Speaking of facts, the fact that Biden didn't cancel the decision is still undeniable.
All you did making excuses why he didn't.
What do you usually call the people who will blindly defend their idol huh?

My topic didn't mention Biden.
You came posting about Biden to defend Trump.
I only answered your question.

So what do you call people who defend their idol? Is Trump your idol?
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:50:54 AM
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To defend Trump?

Holy shit you cultists are delusional.
You people are so blinded to see that Biden are continuing Trump's bad policies, and when called out you think the policy is right because Biden supporting it.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 10:52:42 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
To defend Trump?

Holy shit you cultists are delusional.
You people are so blinded to see that Biden are continuing Trump's bad policies, and when called out you think the policy is right because Biden supporting it.

Topic is about Trump. I discuss a policy Trump made.

You instead of saying how bad Trump policy was go on rants about Biden.
Is that not defending Trump? Spoiler it is

It is
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:54:35 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Topic is about Trump. I discuss a policy Trump made.

You instead of saying how bad Trump policy was go on rants about Biden.
Is that not defending Trump? Spoiler it is

It is

Bullshit.
This topic was made because people calling out that Biden has responsibilities for the genocide happening.

My posts are calling out why Biden continues Trump's policy, and you can't accept the truth.

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Hejiru
04/25/24 10:54:44 AM
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This is why its infuriating to hear people say they wont vote for Biden because of Gaza. Like, you seriously think Trump would be better for Gaza??

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specialkid8
04/25/24 10:58:35 AM
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Just skimming through the background it looks like this was basically the stance of the US for at least 30 years. Just no one else really wanted to stick their fingers in that mess until Little Jack Horner here came along.

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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 10:59:12 AM
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Hejiru posted...
This is why its infuriating to hear people say they wont vote for Biden because of Gaza. Like, you seriously think Trump would be better for Gaza??

Then show us that Biden is better than Trump.

Not from you cultists mouth, but a real action from Biden. Like stopping funding the Genocide, stop what Israel is doing
All you offer that Biden will support the genocide more softer than Trump would, but still a genocide nonetheless.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 11:01:46 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Bullshit.
This topic was made because people calling out that Biden has responsibilities for the genocide happening.

My posts are calling out why Biden continues Trump's policy, and you can't accept the truth.

Biden wasn't mention till your post.

Why did you mention Biden? Because you didn't want to accept how bad Trump was on Palestine.

Why would thay be? And why then try to smear Biden on it when Trump is objectively worse such that Israel even praises Trump for those policies?
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 11:05:37 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Biden wasn't mention till your post.

Why did you mention Biden? Because you didn't want to accept how bad Trump was on Palestine.

Why would thay be? And why then try to smear Biden on it when Trump is objectively worse such that Israel even praises Trump for those policies?

How the fuck you missed the point so bad?
Oh wait don't answer. It's because your blind fanaticism.

I literally said Trump's bad policies, and Biden continuing it.

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Hejiru
04/25/24 11:08:51 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Then show us that Biden is better than Trump.

Not from you cultists mouth, but a real action from Biden. Like stopping funding the Genocide, stop what Israel is doing
All you offer that Biden will support the genocide more softer than Trump would, but still a genocide nonetheless.

There is no candidate that would stop funding Israel. Its sad but its true.

Biden funding Israels genocide is bad. No question about that. But that doesnt mean you should vote for a candidate who will support genocide and destroy American democracy. An anti-Palestine candidate is going to win either way.

(And where you did get cultist from?)

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 11:10:15 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
How the fuck you missed the point so bad?
Oh wait don't answer. It's because your blind fanaticism.

I literally said Trump's bad policies, and Biden continuing it.

So you say yet Israel themselves said differently:

Notably, they did not call Jerusalem Israels undivided capital, as their predecessors often did which is just as well, because Biden seemed determined to divide the city, if not in his words, then in his actions and policies.

Why do you keep mentioning cultists? Are you ok?
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 11:11:06 AM
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Hejiru posted...
But that doesnt mean you should vote for a candidate who will support genocide and destroy American democracy.

Why
The Fuck
People
Thinks that someone doesn't support Biden, it means they support Trump?

Your level of Tribalism is as bad as MAGAtts, and you people refused to admit that.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 11:12:14 AM
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Because you ignore facts

Notably, they did not call Jerusalem Israels undivided capital, as their predecessors often did which is just as well, because Biden seemed determined to divide the city, if not in his words, then in his actions and policies.
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 11:12:16 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
So you say yet Israel themselves said differently:

Why do you keep mentioning cultists? Are you ok?

Still quoting Jpost as they're the beacon of trurh huh.

If they talk and act like a cult...

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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 11:13:52 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Because you ignore facts

The fact that Biden keep Trump's bad policies?
Oh wait that's you.

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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 11:14:10 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Still quoting Jpost as they're the beacon of trurh huh.

If they talk and act like a cult...

Theu are truthful in their desire for USA to be pro Israel.

This them on whether Biden is pro Israel like Trump:

Notably, they did not call Jerusalem Israels undivided capital, as their predecessors often did which is just as well, because Biden seemed determined to divide the city, if not in his words, then in his actions and policies.

So are you determined to lie then?
The facts are now known. Stating the opposite would be dishonest.
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WingsOfGood
04/25/24 11:14:48 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
The fact that Biden keep Trump's bad policies?
Oh wait that's you.

Biden seemed determined to divide the city, if not in his words, then in his actions and policies.
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RndmNmber1
04/25/24 11:16:45 AM
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The fact is set
Biden funding the genocide, kowtowing to Israel, and continues Trump policy of this very topic .

No matter how you spin it, it won't change

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