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GrandConjuraton 04/25/24 3:32:44 PM #1:	BOtH SIDeS --- When do we know how long we can break it? Where do we go to have some? https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:980091017] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>BOtH SIDeS </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 04/25/24 3:33:53 PM #2:	- - - > Radical Centrists < - - - --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:980091036] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>- - - > Radical Centrists < - - - </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameGodOfAll 04/25/24 3:36:27 PM #3:	"Would you like soup or salad?" --- My Words Were True And Sheamus Made You Believe! http://imgur.com/Fc39f.jpg <cite>GameGodOfAll posted [p:980091069] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>"Would you like soup or salad?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 04/25/24 3:37:14 PM #4:	"Why can't you just compromise with the people who don't want you to be alive?" --- http://i.imgur.com/VwJsmAR.gifv <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:980091086] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>"Why can't you just compromise with the people who don't want you to be alive?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 04/25/24 3:39:11 PM #5:	Both sides are equally terrible. I am very smart --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:980091114] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Both sides are equally terrible. I am very smart </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 04/25/24 3:40:19 PM #6:	GameGodOfAll posted... "Would you like soup or salad?" It's more like Waiter: "Welcome to our fine dining establishment. We have two options on the menu today: A) basic ham sandwich and B) roast pig shit garnished with arsenic and ground glass. Which do you want?" Centrist customer: "sweats in indecision". --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:980091129] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>GameGodOfAll posted... </cite><quote>"Would you like soup or salad?"</quote>It's more like Waiter: "Welcome to our fine dining establishment. We have two options on the menu today: A) basic ham sandwich and B) roast pig shit garnished with arsenic and ground glass. Which do you want?"Centrist customer: "sweats in indecision". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 04/25/24 3:42:58 PM #7:	EPR-radar posted... It's more like Waiter: "Welcome to our fine dining establishment. We have two options on the menu today: A) basic ham sandwich and B) roast pig shit garnished with arsenic and ground glass. Which do you want?" Centrist customer: "sweats in indecision". More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood. While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation. --- Hello there! I am a signature. I'm kinda surprised you're even reading me, to be honest. Most people wouldn't bother. You're better than that though. Thank you. <cite>Trumble posted [p:980091164] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>It's more like Waiter: "Welcome to our fine dining establishment. We have two options on the menu today: A) basic ham sandwich and B) roast pig shit garnished with arsenic and ground glass. Which do you want?"Centrist customer: "sweats in indecision".</quote>More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood.While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 3:49:00 PM #8:	Being radical in anything isnt very beneficial and that goes for everything including politics. Everything is better with nuance for moderation. Its common sense that people are complicated creatures that will never fit tightly into any particular box, and I always found it pretty preposterous that both sides is quoted like some sort of damning revelation to discredit a persons opinion or character. It doesnt make sense to me. Ive always been of the belief that true intelligence is the ability to step out of ones box and being able to understand another persons perspective you dont have to agree with it, but you can at least make an attempt to understand it by placing yourself in their shoes. That ability to see beyond ones own individual beliefs and moral compass is typically how discussions that lead to drastic change for the benefit of all humanity comes to be. At no point in the existence of humanity have we ever rid ourselves of a problem that plagues humanity by simply refusing to have a dialogue. It just doesnt work. Even in the moments where change did mostly happen by force or the sheer unbeatable will of a collective community united through a single beliefdid it come from refusing to have a dialogue. Problems dont solve themselves. In that regard I dont understand the both sides statement being used as a means of insulting or discrediting someone. It just seems like something thats blurted out by people who are too radicalized in either direction of the political spectrum as an excuse to stay firm in their current positions and not think outside the box. Or at worst, its used in bad faith as a means to gaslight or troll. Even if you dont have why intention of changing ones stance, its still best communication practices to try and see all sides of every issue because if you dont, then nothing happens. Things just remain the same. Or at least thats my two cents on the matter. But what do I know. Im just some guy. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980091234] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Being radical in anything isnt very beneficial and that goes for everything including politics. Everything is better with nuance for moderation.Its common sense that people are complicated creatures that will never fit tightly into any particular box, and I always found it pretty preposterous that both sides is quoted like some sort of damning revelation to discredit a persons opinion or character.It doesnt make sense to me. Ive always been of the belief that true intelligence is the ability to step out of ones box and being able to understand another persons perspective you dont have to agree with it, but you can at least make an attempt to understand it by placing yourself in their shoes. That ability to see beyond ones own individual beliefs and moral compass is typically how discussions that lead to drastic change for the benefit of all humanity comes to be. At no point in the existence of humanity have we ever rid ourselves of a problem that plagues humanity by simply refusing to have a dialogue. It just doesnt work. Even in the moments where change did mostly happen by force or the sheer unbeatable will of a collective community united through a single beliefdid it come from refusing to have a dialogue. Problems dont solve themselves. In that regard I dont understand the both sides statement being used as a means of insulting or discrediting someone. It just seems like something thats blurted out by people who are too radicalized in either direction of the political spectrum as an excuse to stay firm in their current positions and not think outside the box. Or at worst, its used in bad faith as a means to gaslight or troll.Even if you dont have why intention of changing ones stance, its still best communication practices to try and see all sides of every issue because if you dont, then nothing happens. Things just remain the same.Or at least thats my two cents on the matter. But what do I know. Im just some guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLiarParadox 04/25/24 3:53:31 PM #9:	EPR-radar posted... It's more like Waiter: "Welcome to our fine dining establishment. We have two options on the menu today: A) basic ham sandwich and B) roast pig shit garnished with arsenic and ground glass. Which do you want?" Centrist customer: "sweats in indecision". What about the people who don't eat pigs for religious, health, or ethical reasons? Are they just supposed to shut up and enjoy it or...? --- Spongebob is not a contraceptive. <cite>TheLiarParadox posted [p:980091293] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>It's more like Waiter: "Welcome to our fine dining establishment. We have two options on the menu today: A) basic ham sandwich and B) roast pig shit garnished with arsenic and ground glass. Which do you want?"Centrist customer: "sweats in indecision".</quote>What about the people who don't eat pigs for religious, health, or ethical reasons? Are they just supposed to shut up and enjoy it or...? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 04/25/24 3:53:38 PM #10:	STEROLIZER posted... It doesnt make sense to me. Ive always been of the belief that true intelligence is the ability to step out of ones box and being able to understand another persons perspective you dont have to agree with it, but you can at least make an attempt to understand it by placing yourself in their shoes. It's not difficult to understand where Republicans are coming from. The issue is that what they want is simply unacceptable, scapegoating of minorities for political gain and the subordination of women being just two items on a very long list, all so that the filthy rich can get marginally richer at everyone else's expense. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:980091295] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>It doesnt make sense to me. Ive always been of the belief that true intelligence is the ability to step out of ones box and being able to understand another persons perspective you dont have to agree with it, but you can at least make an attempt to understand it by placing yourself in their shoes. </quote>It's not difficult to understand where Republicans are coming from. The issue is that what they want is simply unacceptable, scapegoating of minorities for political gain and the subordination of women being just two items on a very long list, all so that the filthy rich can get marginally richer at everyone else's expense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 4:02:26 PM #11:	EPR-radar posted... It's not difficult to understand where Republicans are coming from. The issue is that what they want is simply unacceptable, scapegoating of minorities for political gain and the subordination of women being just two items on a very long list, all so that the filthy rich can get marginally richer at everyone else's expense. Not all of them. You gotta talk to them about the nuance if you want that slightly right leaning person to eventually switch over to slightly left and vote accordingly. Refusing to have the dialogue or pigeonholing them into a box with the worst of the worst only widens the divide. It doesnt lead to any meaningful change. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980091396] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>It's not difficult to understand where Republicans are coming from. The issue is that what they want is simply unacceptable, scapegoating of minorities for political gain and the subordination of women being just two items on a very long list, all so that the filthy rich can get marginally richer at everyone else's expense.</quote>Not all of them. You gotta talk to them about the nuance if you want that slightly right leaning person to eventually switch over to slightly left and vote accordingly.Refusing to have the dialogue or pigeonholing them into a box with the worst of the worst only widens the divide. It doesnt lead to any meaningful change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 04/25/24 4:10:30 PM #12:	STEROLIZER posted... Not all of them. You gotta talk to them about the nuance if you want that slightly right leaning person to eventually switch over to slightly left and vote accordingly. Refusing to have the dialogue or pigeonholing them into a box with the worst of the worst only widens the divide. It doesnt lead to any meaningful change. Yes, all of them, because everyone that votes for Republicans is voting for subordination of women etc. By the way, I'm old enough to remember when US politics wasn't like this. There was a time when there were conservatives and liberals in both parties, and there was even an overlap where the most liberal Republicans were more liberal than the most conservative Democrats. But there has been a realignment of the parties since then into much more starkly divided ideological camps, with most of the actual motion on a left-right political scale being the GOP galloping off to the hard right at a remarkable speed. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:980091498] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>Not all of them. You gotta talk to them about the nuance if you want that slightly right leaning person to eventually switch over to slightly left and vote accordingly.Refusing to have the dialogue or pigeonholing them into a box with the worst of the worst only widens the divide. It doesnt lead to any meaningful change.</quote>Yes, all of them, because everyone that votes for Republicans is voting for subordination of women etc.By the way, I'm old enough to remember when US politics wasn't like this. There was a time when there were conservatives and liberals in both parties, and there was even an overlap where the most liberal Republicans were more liberal than the most conservative Democrats.But there has been a realignment of the parties since then into much more starkly divided ideological camps, with most of the actual motion on a left-right political scale being the GOP galloping off to the hard right at a remarkable speed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 04/25/24 4:31:55 PM #13:	STEROLIZER posted... Being radical in anything isnt very beneficial and that goes for everything including politics. Everything is better with nuance for moderation. Imagine this argument for historical certain issues. Civil rights for Black people? Or total segregation? Women's voting rights? Gay marriage? Stero: Everything in moderation. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:980091822] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>Being radical in anything isnt very beneficial and that goes for everything including politics. Everything is better with nuance for moderation.</quote>Imagine this argument for historical certain issues.Civil rights for Black people? Or total segregation?Women's voting rights?Gay marriage?Stero: Everything in moderation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 4:36:23 PM #14:	EPR-radar posted... Yes, all of them, because everyone that votes for Republicans is voting for subordination of women etc. Then how do you change that? The best way to defeat such a party is to steal their voters. Thats not done by refusing to have a dialogue, or by insulting them and thus giving them reasons to stay on their side of the line. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980091884] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>Yes, all of them, because everyone that votes for Republicans is voting for subordination of women etc.</quote>Then how do you change that? The best way to defeat such a party is to steal their voters. Thats not done by refusing to have a dialogue, or by insulting them and thus giving them reasons to stay on their side of the line. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 04/25/24 4:39:58 PM #15:	Trumble posted... More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood. While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation. Is it understandable when that person doesn't go to the restaurant, has never been to the restaurant, and demonstrated repeatedly that they don't actually know what's on the restaurant's menu? --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:980091924] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote>More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood.While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation.</quote>Is it understandable when that person doesn't go to the restaurant, has never been to the restaurant, and demonstrated repeatedly that they don't actually know what's on the restaurant's menu? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 4:40:13 PM #16:	ChocoboMogALT posted... Imagine this argument for historical certain issues. Civil rights for Black people? Or total segregation? Women's voting rights? Gay marriage? Stero: Everything in moderation. We were able to conquer those issues by having that dialogue. In all if those cases, being able to communicate with the entirety of the human race allowed us to gain enough support to fix those issues, or at least get in the right path to fixing those atrocities. If one side just completely insulted and harassed the other without making any real attempt to legitimately show them the error of their ways, then change wouldnt have happened, or at least not at rate that it did. You dont want to motivate the opposition to just dig in their heels. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980091932] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>ChocoboMogALT posted... </cite><quote>Imagine this argument for historical certain issues.Civil rights for Black people? Or total segregation?Women's voting rights?Gay marriage?Stero: Everything in moderation.</quote>We were able to conquer those issues by having that dialogue. In all if those cases, being able to communicate with the entirety of the human race allowed us to gain enough support to fix those issues, or at least get in the right path to fixing those atrocities.If one side just completely insulted and harassed the other without making any real attempt to legitimately show them the error of their ways, then change wouldnt have happened, or at least not at rate that it did. You dont want to motivate the opposition to just dig in their heels. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KI_Simpson 04/25/24 4:44:17 PM #17:	Trumble posted... More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood. While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation. No, it is not understandable to want to endanger millions of lives because you're throwing a tantrum about how the not perfect food isn't that much better than the poison that will be force fed to an entire country if you make the sociopathic choice. --- They/them <cite>KI_Simpson posted [p:980091997] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote>More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood.While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation.</quote>No, it is not understandable to want to endanger millions of lives because you're throwing a tantrum about how the not perfect food isn't that much better than the poison that will be force fed to an entire country if you make the sociopathic choice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 04/25/24 4:45:09 PM #18:	https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto_riots_(1964%E2%80%931969) You really need to open a fucking history book. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:980092010] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto_riots_(1964%E2%80%931969)You really need to open a fucking history book. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ronaldo 04/25/24 4:47:59 PM #19:	Once you get extreme enough it is "both sides". There are people here who want to take away the right for republicans to vote. <cite>Ronaldo posted [p:980092059] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Once you get extreme enough it is "both sides". There are people here who want to take away the right for republicans to vote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheLiarParadox 04/25/24 4:48:48 PM #20:	ChocoboMogALT posted... You really need to open a fucking history book. he needs to quit combat sports. --- Spongebob is not a contraceptive. <cite>TheLiarParadox posted [p:980092076] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>ChocoboMogALT posted... </cite><quote>You really need to open a fucking history book.</quote>he needs to quit combat sports. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McMarbles 04/25/24 4:48:55 PM #21:	The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron" dril, the god --- Currently playing: Final Fantasy VI Pixel Remaster (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. <cite>McMarbles posted [p:980092077] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote><quote>The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"</quote>dril, the god </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 04/25/24 4:48:57 PM #22:	KI_Simpson posted... No, it is not understandable to want to endanger millions of lives because you're throwing a tantrum about how the not perfect food isn't that much better than the poison that will be force fed to an entire country if you make the sociopathic choice. Also neglects the fact that there is no choice, you will end up eating one of the two options, unless you leave the restaurant. --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:980092078] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>KI_Simpson posted... </cite><quote>No, it is not understandable to want to endanger millions of lives because you're throwing a tantrum about how the not perfect food isn't that much better than the poison that will be force fed to an entire country if you make the sociopathic choice.</quote>Also neglects the fact that there is no choice, you will end up eating one of the two options, unless you leave the restaurant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McMarbles 04/25/24 4:49:44 PM #23:	Trumble posted... More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood. While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation. Yes, weve all seen South Park. --- Currently playing: Final Fantasy VI Pixel Remaster (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. <cite>McMarbles posted [p:980092091] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote>More like a) a solid turd log sandwich, or b) a soup of diarrhea, vomit and blood.While yes, one is considerably worse than the other, and some people might even feel desperate enough to take A as the less bad option, both options are still shit, one just goes beyond merely shit. And it's very understandable why a lot of people wouldn't want to eat either, even in a desperate situation.</quote>Yes, weve all seen South Park. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 04/25/24 4:56:15 PM #24:	Ronaldo posted... Once you get extreme enough it is "both sides". There are people here who want to take away the right for republicans to vote. "Random people online are morally equal to the Republican politicians and lawmakers who are actively participating in voter suppression." Is that what you're trying to say? --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:980092193] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Ronaldo posted... </cite><quote>Once you get extreme enough it is "both sides". There are people here who want to take away the right for republicans to vote.</quote>"Random people online are morally equal to the Republican politicians and lawmakers who are actively participating in voter suppression."Is that what you're trying to say? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 04/25/24 5:03:36 PM #25:	STEROLIZER posted... If one side just completely insulted and harassed the other without making any real attempt to legitimately show them the error of their ways, then change wouldnt have happened, or at least not at rate that it did. Republicans have been all in on total partisan warfare at least since Gingrich made it official in 1994. That's 30 fucking years ago. How much longer is everyone else supposed to put up with their crap? --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:980092307] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>If one side just completely insulted and harassed the other without making any real attempt to legitimately show them the error of their ways, then change wouldnt have happened, or at least not at rate that it did. </quote>Republicans have been all in on total partisan warfare at least since Gingrich made it official in 1994. That's 30 fucking years ago. How much longer is everyone else supposed to put up with their crap? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 5:48:48 PM #26:	EPR-radar posted... Republicans have been all in on total partisan warfare at least since Gingrich made it official in 1994. That's 30 fucking years ago. How much longer is everyone else supposed to put up with their crap? You dont. You continue the dialogue and slowly bring people over the line, like by little, but by bit. It was working. Thats how Obama beat Bush, but then we just got complacent and started screaming at the other side again. That caused people to hop back over the line. Then Trump got elected. It should have been pretty easy to get him out, because he was incompetent. But people dug in their heels and screamed louder. So people dug in their heels and completely doubled down on Trump. Thank god he was so incompetent that enough folks did leap back over the line in spite of many voices on the left doing everything within their power to basically scream stay on your side of the line, we dont want you over here But the truth is that we did want them over here. Because we needed their votes to get Trump out of office. Now we are in a position where we are screaming at them to get back to their side of the line, and they actually might. Which is not what we want, cuz losing votes to the other side is not conducive to getting reelected. Its just common sense. Also this is the most politics Ive ever discussed on GameFaqs. I like this new quarantine, it feels way more safe to be able to have these discussions than it did in the past. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980092969] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>Republicans have been all in on total partisan warfare at least since Gingrich made it official in 1994. That's 30 fucking years ago. How much longer is everyone else supposed to put up with their crap?</quote>You dont. You continue the dialogue and slowly bring people over the line, like by little, but by bit.It was working. Thats how Obama beat Bush, but then we just got complacent and started screaming at the other side again. That caused people to hop back over the line. Then Trump got elected. It should have been pretty easy to get him out, because he was incompetent. But people dug in their heels and screamed louder. So people dug in their heels and completely doubled down on Trump.Thank god he was so incompetent that enough folks did leap back over the line in spite of many voices on the left doing everything within their power to basically scream stay on your side of the line, we dont want you over hereBut the truth is that we did want them over here. Because we needed their votes to get Trump out of office. Now we are in a position where we are screaming at them to get back to their side of the line, and they actually might. Which is not what we want, cuz losing votes to the other side is not conducive to getting reelected.Its just common sense. Also this is the most politics Ive ever discussed on GameFaqs. I like this new quarantine, it feels way more safe to be able to have these discussions than it did in the past. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deej 04/25/24 5:59:44 PM #27:	STEROLIZER posted... You dont. You continue the dialogue and slowly bring people over the line, like by little, but by bit. It was working. Thats how Obama beat Bush, but then we just got complacent and started screaming at the other side again. That caused people to hop back over the line. Then Trump got elected. Is that what happened? --- Hey, everyone, what's going on in this topic? Oh. <cite>Deej posted [p:980093114] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>You dont. You continue the dialogue and slowly bring people over the line, like by little, but by bit.It was working. Thats how Obama beat Bush, but then we just got complacent and started screaming at the other side again. That caused people to hop back over the line. Then Trump got elected.</quote>Is that what happened? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 04/25/24 6:01:50 PM #28:	STEROLIZER posted... It was working. Thats how Obama beat Bush, but then we just got complacent and started screaming at the other side again. That caused people to hop back over the line. Then Trump got elected. Bush? He wasn't running in 08/12. Further more we didn't "start yelling" at the other side, the other side suddenly started disbelieving that Obama was a US born citizen for 'some reason' . Those people were always like that, Obama broke their minds despite trying his hardest to reach across the isle. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) <cite>Umbreon posted [p:980093142] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>It was working. Thats how Obama beat Bush, but then we just got complacent and started screaming at the other side again. That caused people to hop back over the line. Then Trump got elected.</quote>Bush? He wasn't running in 08/12. Further more we didn't "start yelling" at the other side, the other side suddenly started disbelieving that Obama was a US born citizen for 'some reason' .Those people were always like that, Obama broke their minds despite trying his hardest to reach across the isle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 04/25/24 6:09:55 PM #29:	STEROLIZER posted... We were able to conquer those issues by having that dialogue. In all if those cases, being able to communicate with the entirety of the human race allowed us to gain enough support to fix those issues, or at least get in the right path to fixing those atrocities. If one side just completely insulted and harassed the other without making any real attempt to legitimately show them the error of their ways, then change wouldnt have happened, or at least not at rate that it did. You dont want to motivate the opposition to just dig in their heels. This is woefully ignorant as to what actually happened. Slavery didn't end because of dialogue and neither was it the reason black people gained civil rights. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:980093260] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>We were able to conquer those issues by having that dialogue. In all if those cases, being able to communicate with the entirety of the human race allowed us to gain enough support to fix those issues, or at least get in the right path to fixing those atrocities.If one side just completely insulted and harassed the other without making any real attempt to legitimately show them the error of their ways, then change wouldnt have happened, or at least not at rate that it did. You dont want to motivate the opposition to just dig in their heels.</quote>This is woefully ignorant as to what actually happened. Slavery didn't end because of dialogue and neither was it the reason black people gained civil rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sfcalimari 04/25/24 6:11:14 PM #30:	Daily reminder that I literally invented same thing both sides in like 2009. I really should have copyrighted it. --- "Tether even a roasted chicken." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo <cite>sfcalimari posted [p:980093275] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Daily reminder that I literally invented same thing both sides in like 2009. I really should have copyrighted it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trivialbeing 04/25/24 6:11:44 PM #31:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... "Why can't you just compromise with the people who don't want you to be alive?" well yeah going both sides sounds ridiculous when you think one side is Saturday Morning Cartoon Evil life isn't a Disney movie <cite>trivialbeing posted [p:980093283] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Guns_of_Verdun posted... </cite><quote>"Why can't you just compromise with the people who don't want you to be alive?"</quote>well yeah going both sides sounds ridiculous when you think one side is Saturday Morning Cartoon Evil life isn't a Disney movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 04/25/24 6:24:35 PM #32:	trivialbeing posted... well yeah going both sides sounds ridiculous when you think one side is Saturday Morning Cartoon Evil life isn't a Disney movie Then why do I see a whole bunch of Disney villains (R) in real life? Today gave us another perfect example of this, with Republicans on the supreme court falling all over themselves to find a way for Trump to have magic dictator powers, and Trump's lawyers being even worse shitbags. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:980093465] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>trivialbeing posted... </cite><quote>well yeah going both sides sounds ridiculous when you think one side is Saturday Morning Cartoon Evil life isn't a Disney movie</quote>Then why do I see a whole bunch of Disney villains (R) in real life? Today gave us another perfect example of this, with Republicans on the supreme court falling all over themselves to find a way for Trump to have magic dictator powers, and Trump's lawyers being even worse shitbags. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 04/25/24 6:28:18 PM #33:	The thing about being in the middle is that we're not making one binary choice between something good or something bad. You don't have to be all or nothing. It's okay to have a mix of opinions that doesn't fully agree with either mainstream political party entirely. It's also okay not to throw complete and total support behind one party in its entirety just because they balance out to be less awful than the other party at any given time. --- (He/Him) I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:980093526] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>The thing about being in the middle is that we're not making one binary choice between something good or something bad. You don't have to be all or nothing. It's okay to have a mix of opinions that doesn't fully agree with either mainstream political party entirely.It's also okay not to throw complete and total support behind one party in its entirety just because they balance out to be less awful than the other party at any given time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McMarbles 04/25/24 6:30:52 PM #34:	lolife67 posted... This is woefully ignorant as to what actually happened. Slavery didn't end because of dialogue and neither was it the reason black people gained civil rights. Shhhh, no, it was all dialogue, please ignore the huge war in the 1860s --- Currently playing: Final Fantasy VI Pixel Remaster (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. <cite>McMarbles posted [p:980093570] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite><quote>This is woefully ignorant as to what actually happened. Slavery didn't end because of dialogue and neither was it the reason black people gained civil rights.</quote>Shhhh, no, it was all dialogue, please ignore the huge war in the 1860s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 6:31:50 PM #35:	Deej posted... Is that what happened? Of course it is. Everytime a president of a different political party is elected its because they got more votes than the competition. So if the previous president was republican and the new one is democrat then it means that there were more democratic voters this election than there was the prior election. Swing voters are a thing right? People who flip-flop back and forth. Those are the ones that win elections and you dont nab them by pointing a finger and screaming at them. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980093582] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>Deej posted... </cite><quote>Is that what happened?</quote>Of course it is. Everytime a president of a different political party is elected its because they got more votes than the competition. So if the previous president was republican and the new one is democrat then it means that there were more democratic voters this election than there was the prior election.Swing voters are a thing right? People who flip-flop back and forth. Those are the ones that win elections and you dont nab them by pointing a finger and screaming at them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 04/25/24 6:31:57 PM #36:	One side wants free health care and the other side wants to take healthcare away. They are the same. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Best new show of 2023, One Piece live action. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:980093586] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>One side wants free health care and the other side wants to take healthcare away. They are the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vycebrand2 04/25/24 6:32:02 PM #37:	GameGodOfAll posted... "Would you like soup or salad?" I get Both Sides! --- I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me- <cite>vycebrand2 posted [p:980093589] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>GameGodOfAll posted... </cite><quote>"Would you like soup or salad?"</quote>I get Both Sides! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 6:35:45 PM #38:	lolife67 posted... This is woefully ignorant as to what actually happened. Slavery didn't end because of dialogue and neither was it the reason black people gained civil rights. The war was started via a dialogue, and the end of the war was resolved via a dialogue and how the country moved forward from that point on required a lot of dialogue. Besides in this day and age do we really prefer war over diplomacy? <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980093634] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite><quote>This is woefully ignorant as to what actually happened. Slavery didn't end because of dialogue and neither was it the reason black people gained civil rights.</quote>The war was started via a dialogue, and the end of the war was resolved via a dialogue and how the country moved forward from that point on required a lot of dialogue.Besides in this day and age do we really prefer war over diplomacy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 6:36:47 PM #39:	creativerealms posted... One side wants free health care and the other side wants to take healthcare away. They are the same. They arent the same, and thats the point. You need to convince the anti-healthcare people to change their minds and become pro-healthcare people <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980093655] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>creativerealms posted... </cite><quote>One side wants free health care and the other side wants to take healthcare away. They are the same.</quote>They arent the same, and thats the point. You need to convince the anti-healthcare people to change their minds and become pro-healthcare people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 04/25/24 6:43:13 PM #40:	...does this dude think Obama ran against Bush --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:980093747] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>...does this dude think Obama ran against Bush </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 04/25/24 6:43:46 PM #41:	STEROLIZER posted... They arent the same, and thats the point. You need to convince the anti-healthcare people to change their minds and become pro-healthcare people or you force them to have healthcare because they don't get to prevent progress --- 1213 // Queer Liberation, Not Assimilation <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:980093757] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>They arent the same, and thats the point. You need to convince the anti-healthcare people to change their minds and become pro-healthcare people</quote>or you force them to have healthcare because they don't get to prevent progress </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 04/25/24 7:06:51 PM #42:	STEROLIZER posted... They arent the same, and thats the point. You need to convince the anti-healthcare people to change their minds and become pro-healthcare people I know. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Best new show of 2023, One Piece live action. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:980094141] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>They arent the same, and thats the point. You need to convince the anti-healthcare people to change their minds and become pro-healthcare people</quote>I know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 04/25/24 7:07:25 PM #43:	STEROLIZER posted... The war was started via a dialogue, and the end of the war was resolved via a dialogue and how the country moved forward from that point on required a lot of dialogue. Besides in this day and age do we really prefer war over diplomacy? Bro, the only reason the South was willing to talk was due to losing the war. Had the North simply continued to talk without any escalation then nothing would've changed. Same with the Civil Rights movement. So you don't know what you're talking about. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:980094149] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>The war was started via a dialogue, and the end of the war was resolved via a dialogue and how the country moved forward from that point on required a lot of dialogue.Besides in this day and age do we really prefer war over diplomacy?</quote>Bro, the only reason the South was willing to talk was due to losing the war. Had the North simply continued to talk without any escalation then nothing would've changed. Same with the Civil Rights movement. So you don't know what you're talking about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 7:09:52 PM #44:	LOL, Im watch this movie on Netflix right now and this scene literally just popped on as I was browsing this topic https://youtu.be/3XM1NVWLT30?si=iLC0zrB4VeGLt21w <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980094187] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>LOL, Im watch this movie on Netflix right now and this scene literally just popped on as I was browsing this topichttps://youtu.be/3XM1NVWLT30?si=iLC0zrB4VeGLt21w</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 7:11:03 PM #45:	lolife67 posted... Bro, the only reason the South was willing to talk was due to losing the war. Had the North simply continued to talk without any escalation then nothing would've changed. Same with the Civil Rights movement. So you don't know what you're talking about. You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take. You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980094206] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>lolife67 posted... </cite><quote>Bro, the only reason the South was willing to talk was due to losing the war. Had the North simply continued to talk without any escalation then nothing would've changed. Same with the Civil Rights movement. So you don't know what you're talking about.</quote>You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take.You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 04/25/24 7:11:55 PM #46:	AnsestralRecall posted... or you force them to have healthcare because they don't get to prevent progress But you can only do that if the law is voted on and passed, and you need them to help you pass that policy <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:980094223] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>AnsestralRecall posted... </cite><quote>or you force them to have healthcare because they don't get to prevent progress</quote>But you can only do that if the law is voted on and passed, and you need them to help you pass that policy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EPR-radar 04/25/24 7:16:18 PM #47:	STEROLIZER posted... You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take. You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime. Regarding the US civil war in particular, the main problem is that after the war, there was way too much meaningless talk, and way too little actual reconstruction. In fact, the Union won the war and lost the peace. That loss was because too few in the rest of the country had the stomach to do what would have been necessary to prevent resentful ex-Confederates from instituting Jim Crow after the end of military occupation. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 <cite>EPR-radar posted [p:980094288] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take.You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime.</quote>Regarding the US civil war in particular, the main problem is that after the war, there was way too much meaningless talk, and way too little actual reconstruction. In fact, the Union won the war and lost the peace.That loss was because too few in the rest of the country had the stomach to do what would have been necessary to prevent resentful ex-Confederates from instituting Jim Crow after the end of military occupation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 04/25/24 7:19:07 PM #48:	STEROLIZER posted... You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take. You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime. Well of course and body claimed otherwise. But you saying you just need to talk it out is complete bs. And since we're talking about the war, that dialogue didn't even actually solve the issue. Black Americans were still terrorized for decades afterwards. Hell, we have people flying the Confederate flag today. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:980094332] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>You still need to talk even after the war is over, or else stuff isnt going to take.You dont just have a war, win, and then everything changes at the drop of a dime.</quote>Well of course and body claimed otherwise. But you saying you just need to talk it out is complete bs. And since we're talking about the war, that dialogue didn't even actually solve the issue. Black Americans were still terrorized for decades afterwards. Hell, we have people flying the Confederate flag today. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lolife67 04/25/24 7:20:27 PM #49:	EPR-radar posted... Regarding the US civil war in particular, the main problem is that after the war, there was way too much meaningless talk, and way too little actual reconstruction. In fact, the Union won the war and lost the peace. That loss was because too few in the rest of the country had the stomach to do what would have been necessary to prevent resentful ex-Confederates from instituting Jim Crow after the end of military occupation. Exactly! There's no middle ground between those that want true equality/equity and those that don't. Thinking there is comes off as incredibly stupid. <cite>lolife67 posted [p:980094349] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>EPR-radar posted... </cite><quote>Regarding the US civil war in particular, the main problem is that after the war, there was way too much meaningless talk, and way too little actual reconstruction. In fact, the Union won the war and lost the peace.That loss was because too few in the rest of the country had the stomach to do what would have been necessary to prevent resentful ex-Confederates from instituting Jim Crow after the end of military occupation.</quote>Exactly! There's no middle ground between those that want true equality/equity and those that don't. Thinking there is comes off as incredibly stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 04/25/24 7:20:40 PM #50:	I dunno why this is so frowned upon, and the only answer anyone seems to have for this question is just to repeat "both sides." --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:980094351] in bOTh SIdeS... [t:80755462]...</cite> <quote>I dunno why this is so frowned upon, and the only answer anyone seems to have for this question is just to repeat "both sides." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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