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This is my reward for responding to you seriously.

May everyone else learn from my mistake.

See, still nobody will answer what's wrong with pointing out that both sides suck.

I still believe in hearing conservatives out, and then trying to deconstruct their arguments and convert them over to my perspectiveabsolutely.

The perfect golden middle ground where everyone get along if only you speak nicely enough to everyone long enough is a pretty fantasy.

But it's just that.

That isn't to say don't try to reach an understanding, or don't try to resolve issues peacefully. We absolutely should. But the grim reality of life is that some people will not be reasoned with. Some people's hearts have hardened, and attempting to reach out to them is futile.

Nazis for example? History shows us only one thing works with people who choose that ideology.

When someone speaks like them, when someone encourages the genocide of a people, you don't use the kid gloves. You use the bat.

I definitely think that alot of people who are transphobic wouldnt be if someone would just have a polite and steady dialogue with them.

What exactly are you basing this on? You really think people haven't tried to have a dialogue with these people? The ignorance is crazy smh

Yep. Like with just gay rights alone, back when I would first debate whether it's right or wrong (Mid/Late 2000s-Early 2010s), I did calmly explain that various arguments don't hold up due to double standards in terms of what we do permit within society.

And the anti-gay people don't even consider the points, just react with "Still wrong".

Also going to lay this out. Trump winning the White House in 2016 is cause of trying to be nice to the bigots.

Back then even with some of the support for him, some of us felt that in the end that he would never win the election given how bad he is.

But then he still got cheered on even when saying that there are good people on both sides (other side being white supremists).

And for all claims of concern that gay people are predators, Trump jokes in public he'd do.... I mean date his daughter if they weren't related and the crowd yucks it up rather than heckling him and treating him as a spectacle.

What I've learned from years of constant conversations with rightwingers is that the only people who benefit from being nice to bigots and fascists are the bigots and fascists.

They wanna have a nice negotiation, they can try coming o'er here for once instead of octupling down.

STERO really believes that conservatives who hate LGBT people can just be talked down from their stances lmao

I know people whove been completely disowned after coming out. These people will disown THEIR OWN CHILDREN because they come out as gay or trans.

STERO really believes that conservatives who hate LGBT people can just be talked down from their stances lmao

I know people whove been completely disowned after coming out. These people will disown THEIR OWN CHILDREN because they come out as gay or trans.

The irony of making this topic when a bipartisan effort is poised to destroy privacy on the internet and both sides are enabling genocide is pretty palpable.

So because both parties sometimes align its ironic to call out their vast differences?

Democrats are not trying to end abortion or the existence of LGBT people. One side is though.

STERO really believes that conservatives who hate LGBT people can just be talked down from their stances lmao

I know people whove been completely disowned after coming out. These people will disown THEIR OWN CHILDREN because they come out as gay or trans.

No. Both sides doesnt mean theyre equally bad, or even close to it. It means theres a good / bad axis, and theyre both on the wrong side of it, even if Republicans are much farther along.

The point is, the parties align on quite a lot (basically everything but social issues), and when they align, its almost always bad for us.

I do believe its possible to get people to change their positions and points of views on pretty much anything through a steady dialogue.

I think ideally thats how you rid the world of the issues that plague it, through education and a willingness to engage in discussion.

Yea, and thats not cool. When that happens it breaks my heart. There will always be people whose minds cant be changed, and there comes a time from a relationship standpoint where you need to cut them out of your life.

But in general people do indeed flip flop their positions on things I sincerely believe its worth a try.

I do believe its possible to get people to change their positions and points of views on pretty much anything through a steady dialogue.

I think ideally thats how you rid the world of the issues that plague it, through education and a willingness to engage in discussion.

What you seem to be missing is that the bigots are not willing to engage in good faith discussion. Why are you ignoring that part?

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

What you seem to be missing is that the bigots are not willing to engage in good faith discussion. Why are you ignoring that part?

Most people who hate people for their sexuality are not willing to engage in honest discussion.

What you seem to be missing is that the bigots are not willing to engage in good faith discussion. Why are you ignoring that part?

"Just talk to the people that hate you and want to murder you :)" talk is disingenuous at best.

Not online. But in person, they are way more open to it. But regardless you don't need all of them, just some of them to change their perspective. It all adds up.

I do believe its possible to get people to change their positions and points of views on pretty much anything through a steady dialogue.

I think ideally thats how you rid the world of the issues that plague it, through education and a willingness to engage in discussion.

Yeah, no. You can't reason somebody out of a viewpoint that they didn't reason themselves into.

That applies to you too. ;)

Yeah, no. You can't reason somebody out of a viewpoint that they didn't reason themselves into.

Typical incel chud response.

Once again it's up to the left to "have a dialogue" with hateful right wingers and bring them over to their side. Their side, which has more people who routinely vote for and agree with it.... but they must placate the right to open a dialogue on why they are hateful bigots to try and sway them over to a side that if it weren't for an archaic voting system would have forced them out through attrition long ago.