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nocturnal_traveler
04/28/24 8:26:58 PM
#251:


Why is this still even a debate? Dead Palestinians in the ME < dead Palestinians/lgbtq/poc/women in America.

It's selfish, but last I checked, this was a mostly American board. And once again, you had your chance to remove Biden in the primaries.

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1337toothbrush
04/28/24 8:56:36 PM
#252:


nocturnal_traveler posted...
Why is this still even a debate? Dead Palestinians in the ME < dead Palestinians/lgbtq/poc/women in America.

It's selfish, but last I checked, this was a mostly American board. And once again, you had your chance to remove Biden in the primaries.
You know what's even better? Stopping a genocide and gaining voters and preventing all the bad things trump would do. Tell me why biden MUST support *GENOCIDE*. I highlight the word because people here are being awfully dismissive of it.

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Euripides
04/28/24 8:57:46 PM
#253:


1337toothbrush posted...
You know what's even better? Stopping a genocide and gaining voters and preventing all the bad things trump would do. Tell me why biden MUST support *GENOCIDE*. I highlight the word because people here are being awfully dismissive of it.

No one wants him to support genocide.

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ellis123
04/28/24 8:58:18 PM
#254:


1337toothbrush posted...
You know what's even better? Stopping a genocide and gaining voters and preventing all the bad things trump would do. Tell me why biden MUST support *GENOCIDE*. I highlight the word because people here are being awfully dismissive of it.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5393f05a.jpg

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darkphoenix181
04/28/24 9:01:27 PM
#255:


1337toothbrush posted...
Tell me why biden MUST support *GENOCIDE*

Reading this thread I see all the users agree he should not. Why are you then asking this?
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Arpegiuz
04/28/24 9:09:17 PM
#256:


But what are you going to do about it? It's a two party system. You have to vote

What? A third option? Pfffft hahaha

Go ahead, throw your vote away right?

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hockeybabe89
04/28/24 9:13:24 PM
#257:


ellis123 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5393f05a.jpg


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Cemith
04/28/24 9:20:59 PM
#258:


1337toothbrush posted...
You know what's even better? Stopping a genocide and gaining voters and preventing all the bad things trump would do. Tell me why biden MUST support *GENOCIDE*. I highlight the word because people here are being awfully dismissive of it.

This is why talking to people like toothbrush is a waste. We acknowledge that voting Blue is a bandaid for a larger problem and he just says -

I'M SORRY WHY DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT GENOCIDE

Like, no. No one's said he must support genocide. Not one person in any of these threads ever think we should at any point ever support genocide. But without significant pressure (which he's already receiving) the best chance of stopping Israel is Biden. We both want genocide to stop but also don't want Trump to win.

It would clearly help his chances if he did more to stop Israel, but he's receiving pressure for this every day so pretending like no one wants to pressure him or is not pressure him is actually just lies. Like, the worst kind because he's inadvertently helping Trump with that kind of rhetoric.

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1337toothbrush
04/28/24 9:28:31 PM
#259:


Still waiting on an answer for why biden has to support genocide. He could stop the support for genocide and gain votes. A clear win-win.

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Euripides
04/28/24 9:42:17 PM
#260:


1337toothbrush posted...
Still waiting on an answer for why biden has to support genocide. He could stop the support for genocide and gain votes. A clear win-win.

Who said he does?

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1337toothbrush
04/28/24 9:47:58 PM
#261:


Euripides posted...
Who said he does?
The tired fallacy of the trolley problem.

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Yazarogi
04/28/24 9:50:50 PM
#262:


Toothbrush youre just arguing in bad faith now.

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1337toothbrush
04/28/24 9:55:59 PM
#263:


Yazarogi posted...
Toothbrush youre just arguing in bad faith now.
I'm not the one defending support for genocide by throwing around the trolley fallacy.

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Euripides
04/28/24 9:57:48 PM
#264:


1337toothbrush posted...
I'm not the one defending support for genocide by throwing around the trolley fallacy.

So imagine nothing changes about the genocide and now it's election day. Does the trolley fallacy apply now?

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Heavy_D_Forever
04/28/24 10:00:20 PM
#265:


ellis123 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5393f05a.jpg

That is some ridiculous ass hyperbolic shit right there. If you are posting that insane nonsense and being dead ass serious about it then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

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Cemith
04/28/24 10:10:52 PM
#266:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
That is some ridiculous ass hyperbolic shit right there. If you are posting that insane nonsense and being dead ass serious about it then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

It's not like raped girls already had to travel state lines while being castigated to get a -

Oh

It's not like trans people are under attacks by popular alt right ideal-

Oh

It's not like Republicans have already made an entire rubric for destroying of the fabric of democr-

OH. BLUSH EMOJI.

Please shut the fuck up.

1337toothbrush posted...
Still waiting on an answer for why biden has to support genocide. He could stop the support for genocide and gain votes. A clear win-win.


Cemith posted...
This is why talking to people like toothbrush is a waste. We acknowledge that voting Blue is a bandaid for a larger problem and he just says -


Euripides posted...
No one wants him to support genocide.


This is clearly a waste of time. Cemith out

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hockeybabe89
04/28/24 10:37:27 PM
#267:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
That is some ridiculous ass hyperbolic shit right there. If you are posting that insane nonsense and being dead ass serious about it then I genuinely feel sorry for you.
"Ok, sure, red states are doing that shit right now! Ok, Roe did get repealed! But there's no way things will get worse if they run the entire federal government! That's hyperbolic! Just like everything else I called fearmongering that wound up coming true!"

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Nok_Su_Kow
04/28/24 11:45:19 PM
#268:


1337toothbrush posted...
Still waiting on an answer for why biden has to support genocide. He could stop the support for genocide and gain votes. A clear win-win.

He shouldn't. Talking didn't work. Sanctioning IDF didn't work. He should continue down the list of options and be given the opportunity to do so. But you were saying Biden is cool with a Trump win and is fine handing him the genocide problem or something dumb like that.
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Shadow_Don
04/29/24 12:23:35 AM
#269:


Heavy_D_Forever posted...
That is some ridiculous ass hyperbolic shit right there. If you are posting that insane nonsense and being dead ass serious about it then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

They literally say they are going to do a door to door mass deportation campaign.

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RndmNmber1
04/29/24 12:24:57 AM
#270:


This just means that Biden also doesn't want to stop the trolley, just sayin'.

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1337toothbrush
04/29/24 12:46:35 AM
#271:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
He shouldn't. Talking didn't work. Sanctioning IDF didn't work. He should continue down the list of options and be given the opportunity to do so. But you were saying Biden is cool with a Trump win and is fine handing him the genocide problem or something dumb like that.
Biden has had plenty of opportunities to do something but has done nothing. Those sanctions you mentioned which were for a single idf battalion? Well... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-backtracks-on-decision-to-sanction-idf-unit/ar-AA1nJDgn

Biden would rather give up votes than actually do anything about *genocide*. Yes, that means biden wouldn't mind giving up votes he desperately needs against trump, which means he cares more about letting israel carry out its campaign of genocide than winning against trump.

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wanderingshade
04/29/24 1:11:09 AM
#272:


This shit has also been happening since the 1940s and nobody started talking about it until 2 years ago, I dunno how this is ultimately Biden's fault that he needs to be punished for.

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Rika_Furude
04/29/24 1:12:58 AM
#273:


wanderingshade posted...
This shit has also been happening since the 1940s and nobody started talking about it until 2 years ago, I dunno how this is ultimately Biden's fault that he needs to be punished for.
Well there is a drastic increase in innocent deaths recently over there so I think it's fair to put more pressure now on the current administration than ever before. But the people suggesting to abstain for voting are definitely doing it because they want Trump to win and not because they think Trump will lower the death toll (since he demonstrably will increase it)
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Nok_Su_Kow
04/29/24 7:01:14 AM
#274:


1337toothbrush posted...
Those sanctions you mentioned which were for a single idf battalion? Well..
Paused after further investigation can be conducted. Biden is for a two state solution, he's said as much. But carry on with this fantasy that he'd rather hand over the country and the middle east to Trump.
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04/29/24 7:03:11 AM
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Nok_Su_Kow
04/29/24 7:03:21 AM
#275:


Rika_Furude posted...
But the people suggesting to abstain for voting are definitely doing it because they want Trump to win and not because they think Trump will lower the death toll (since he demonstrably will increase it)
Exactly. Or just zero critical thinking applied to it but I doubt that.
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cjsdowg
04/29/24 7:03:57 AM
#276:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
Paused after further investigation can be conducted. Biden is for a two state solution, he's said as much. But carry on with this fantasy that he'd rather hand over the country and the middle east to Trump.

Are still cutting off funding to some UN programs base on Israel's lies ?

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Nok_Su_Kow
04/29/24 7:18:12 AM
#277:


cjsdowg posted...
Are still cutting off funding to some UN programs base on Israel's lies ?

You'll have to be more specific here, you've said before that it's Biden's fault for the continued suffering under the Roe reversal, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not understanding your question immediately.
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cjsdowg
04/29/24 7:21:19 AM
#278:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
You'll have to be more specific here, you've said before that it's Biden's fault for the continued suffering under the Roe reversal, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not understanding your question immediately.

I did not say it was his fault, I said that it is happening under his watch. In this topic people keep saying I said things that I never did. But to your question here I am speaking about the UNRWA.

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/22/gaza-unrwa-funding-congress/

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hockeybabe89
04/29/24 7:23:19 AM
#279:


cjsdowg posted...
I did not say it was his fault, I said that it is happening under his watch.
When people say that something is happening under someone's watch, the general implication is that the supervisor holds fault for what is going on.

You keep saying things and then claim that you didn't say them. Perhaps you should proofread.

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1337toothbrush
04/29/24 7:29:31 AM
#280:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
Paused until further investigation can be conducted. Biden is for a two state solution, he's said as much. But carry on with this fantasy that he'd rather hand over the country and the middle east to Trump.
You actually believe this shit? lol. I wouldn't take biden at his word regarding anything that inconveniences israel even slightly because he has shown that he is not sincere at all, time and time again.

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Nok_Su_Kow
04/29/24 7:31:43 AM
#281:


cjsdowg posted...
I said that it is happening under his watch.
Yeah that's implied blame, like it's something he could have prevented, similar to how people said the pandemic escalated under Trump's watch- which you can find actions he took/did not take to support that statement.

The UNWRA as I read up on it is a voluntary program, says that the US didn't resume funding it two days ago but in the past 12 hours the US ambassador to the UN claims it is funding it by $73 million, so that's good right?
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Shadow_Don
04/29/24 7:40:21 AM
#282:


cjsdowg posted...
I did not say it was his fault, I said that it is happening under his watch.

It really shouldn't be hard to be a voice for the people in Gaza without gaslighting women and lgbt people in like every fucking topic.

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cjsdowg
04/29/24 7:40:21 AM
#283:


Nok_Su_Kow posted...
Yeah that's implied blame, like it's something he could have prevented, similar to how people said the pandemic escalated under Trump's watch- which you can find actions he took/did not take to support that statement.

The UNWRA as I read up on it is a voluntary program, says that the US didn't resume funding it two days ago but in the past 12 hours the US ambassador to the UN claims it is funding it by $73 million, so that's good right?

Where do you see that US started to Fund them again ?

To your first point, I remember that conversation. I pointed out all the stuff that has been lost and taken away while Biden as been president . That isn't saying he is doing but that is literally pointing out something that happened.

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Euripides
04/29/24 7:45:56 AM
#284:


While this conflict has been happening for decades, the criticism here is that every president from Carter to Obama has used their political capital to pressure Israel to keep them from going this far. Biden literally buying the weapons

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Deej
04/29/24 7:46:14 AM
#285:


cjsdowg posted...
Where do you see that US started to Fund them again ?

To your first point, I remember that conversation. I pointed out all the stuff that has been lost and taken away while Biden as been president . That isn't saying he is doing but that is literally pointing out something that happened.
If only God Emperor Biden could've used his dictatorial powers to prevent Republicans from doing stupid things in red states.

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cjsdowg
04/29/24 7:49:30 AM
#286:


Deej posted...
If only God Emperor Biden could've used his dictatorial powers to prevent Republicans from doing stupid things in red states.


At one-point Republicans were literally in open rebellion. Republicans get to do what the fuck they want to do. And pointing out that this happened under Biden which is true statements get this sarcasm reply.

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Shadow_Don
04/29/24 7:54:05 AM
#287:


Yea thats the other completely bonkers thing this dude keeps saying

"Wtf trump tried to overthrow the country and become a dictator why can't biden do stuff?!"

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LightningThief
04/29/24 8:50:32 AM
#288:


cjsdowg posted...
I did not say it was his fault, I said that it is happening under his watch
Which is disingenuous to point out. The president cant wave his magic pen to change state laws or the Supreme Court that was given a majority under Trump.

Your disingenuous spin in saying that is attempting to blame Biden for it in a roundabout way. As there's absolutely no point in bringing up "its happening under his watch" as if he did it, supported it, or had the power to stop it.
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1337toothbrush
04/29/24 8:57:18 AM
#289:


LightningThief posted...
Which is disingenuous to point out. The president cant wave his magic pen to change state laws or the Supreme Court that was given a majority under Trump.

Your disingenuous spin in saying that is attempting to blame Biden for it in a roundabout way. As there's absolutely no point in bringing up "its happening under his watch" as if he did it, supported it, or had the power to stop it.
Yet when biden does have the power, like with stopping support for israel's campaign of genocide, he doesn't use that power. In fact he does the opposite and supplies them!

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Nok_Su_Kow
04/29/24 9:12:13 AM
#290:


cjsdowg posted...
Where do you see that US started to Fund them again ?

Sorry old article. Looks like it's just Germany for now, but UK and US still hesitant to resume. I'm not sure how best to play "hurry up and wait" but handing that responsibility over to Mr. "America first" seems like a REALLY bad idea regardless.
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Nok_Su_Kow
04/29/24 9:22:17 AM
#292:


cjsdowg posted...
Republicans get to do what the f*** they want to do.
Republicans slowly corrupt our institutions and rule of law to the point people start bending rules for them and asking idiotic questions like "why can't the Dems break norms too?". That's the slippery slope ride they will happily charge admission for with Americans' rights.
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Yazarogi
04/29/24 10:12:35 AM
#293:


just say you dont care about the Palastinians or anyone else for that matter Toothbrush.

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wanderingshade
04/29/24 1:13:27 PM
#294:


What did Lyndon B Johnson do to make Biden the worst guy? When did Yasser Arafat become the better guy?

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darkphoenix181
04/29/24 1:16:22 PM
#295:


What happened in post #291?
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hockeybabe89
04/29/24 1:22:08 PM
#296:


cjsdowg posted...
To your first point, I remember that conversation. I pointed out all the stuff that has been lost and taken away while Biden as been president . That isn't saying he is doing but that is literally pointing out something that happened.
And yet it would be weird if you mentioned Biden was President when a ship crashed into a bridge in Baltimore.

No one just randomly mentions who was President during X or Y if the goal isn't to give that President negative or positive credit for it.

If Biden isn't at fault, then it is as irrelevant as pointing out who was the reigning Super Bowl champ when Bin Laden was shot.

Also, it's a lie because you have literally mentioned things like Roe as why we shouldn't vote because we are losing no matter who is President.

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tankboy
04/29/24 1:59:29 PM
#297:


cjsdowg posted...
I did not say it was his fault, I said that it is happening under his watch. In this topic people keep saying I said things that I never did. But to your question here I am speaking about the UNRWA.

https://theintercept.com/2024/03/22/gaza-unrwa-funding-congress/

The truth is that most countries already already knew that UNRWA was dirty. It didn't matter to them whether Israel was making up this particular complaint or not. It has decades of problematic history. That's why countries normally skeptical of Israel accepted the accusations immediately. They were already looking for any excuse to cut their funding. It's long past time for UNHCR, which every other refugee in the world relies on, to take over UNRWA's mission.
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Deej
04/29/24 2:01:31 PM
#298:


hockeybabe89 posted...
And yet it would be weird if you mentioned Biden was President when a ship crashed into a bridge in Baltimore.

No one just randomly mentions who was President during X or Y if the goal isn't to give that President negative or positive credit for it.

If Biden isn't at fault, then it is as irrelevant as pointing out who was the reigning Super Bowl champ when Bin Laden was shot.

Also, it's a lie because you have literally mentioned things like Roe as why we shouldn't vote because we are losing no matter who is President.
Now that I think about it...the Warriors blew a 3 - 1 lead in the 2016 NBA Finals, when Obama was President. Worst President of our lifetimes confirmed?

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LightningThief
04/29/24 2:26:45 PM
#299:


1337toothbrush posted...
Yet when biden does have the power, like with stopping support for israel's campaign of genocide, he doesn't use that power. In fact he does the opposite and supplies them!
Yet, that has nothing to do with Cjsdowgs claim and disingenuous spin that abortion and other non Israel issues he brought under Biden.

As there's absolutely no point in bringing up "its happening under his watch" as if he did it, supported it, or had the power to stop it.

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cjsdowg
04/29/24 2:49:36 PM
#300:


tankboy posted...
The truth is that most countries already already knew that UNRWA was dirty. It didn't matter to them whether Israel was making up this particular complaint or not. It has decades of problematic history. That's why countries normally skeptical of Israel accepted the accusations immediately. They were already looking for any excuse to cut their funding. It's long past time for UNHCR, which every other refugee in the world relies on, to take over UNRWA's mission.

Israel lies and stop one of the few organizations that is giving aid to a people who are starving to death. After they target people looking for food, and then later on the blow up had workers in a clearly marked Jeep that says who they are. And you don't think it matters ?


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