Current Events > Would a Revolution by the Left Happen During a Second Trump Presidency?

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if trump loses again, there might be another jan 6 or perhaps a bigger one of that

I'd say it depends on the circumstances of the victory, and if it was sufficiently shady.

I'm not sure if there would be a revolution right away. But I think something would happen eventually. Even if it was years later. But I do not believe a US dictatorship would last forever. Though what comes after it falls, I am not sure. In the best scenario though, where a liberal revolution succeeds and then reforms a stable new US government, I think we would end up banning conservative politics and maybe religion too. Or at least religion would no longer have some of the rights they have now. Like tax exempt churches

The victorious rebels would be in no mood to humor conservatives anymore

Don't worry guys accelerationism will finally work this one time, hypothetically.

https://youtu.be/Dr98kf2nwmw?si=Z33PRIt8dPDx0nDO

I've met very few people in the US who are actually willing to give up their comfort of living for "revolution". Way more people who boast on the internet about it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f526a853.png
If voting doesn't help, then I'm going to try trusting the far left to know what they're actually doing if a revolution is our only hope of stopping a fascist-led America. I just hope they have the means to also minimize any collateral damage that could arise from such an event.

pretzelcoatl posted...

I've met very few people in the US who are actually willing to give up their comfort of living for "revolution". Way more people who boast on the internet about it.

Plus the right wing has all the guns. Ever see those Meal Team Six and Yall Qaida memes. Yeah these idiots are itching to pull the trigger and own the libruls any day.

Would revolution even be the right word when he decides to he a dictator on day one?

Seems like a lawful action to me.

Humble_Novice posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f526a853.png
If voting doesn't help, then I'm going to try trusting the far left to know what they're actually doing if a revolution is our only hope of stopping a fascist-led America. I just hope they have the means to also minimize any collateral damage that could arise from such an event.

I feel like this is delusional. Gun ownership is low on the left and they also seem to be the first people to claim that small arms don't work against the government.

Zikten posted...

In the best scenario though, where a liberal revolution succeeds and then reforms a stable new US government, I think we would end up banning conservative politics and maybe religion too

According to some leftists, liberals would never engage in revolution even if their lives depended on it. Plus, there's likely going to be a lot of hostility between them in the event that Trump becomes president with both sides blaming one another for letting it happen.

pretzelcoatl posted...

I feel like this is delusional. Gun ownership is low on the left and they also seem to be the first people to claim that small arms don't work against the government.

Are you saying they'll fail or won't pull it off?

Humble_Novice posted...

Are you saying they'll fail or won't pull it off?

I'm saying it wouldn't happen to begin with, and if it started it would be quashed pretty quickly. I'm saying the least armed and most marginalized groups in the US don't really have an effective way of utilizing force, and if they did it would quickly turn the larger portion of the US against their cause simply by disrupting their daily lives. I'm saying there is such an absurd amount of infighting between the truly leftist groups that some sort of unified protest or revolution wouldn't really be possible.dd

Liberals don't have any hope of a revolution imo. But a fully nationwide general strike would be truly damaging. America speaks money more than it speaks violence. Imo. And it's more effective against the establishment trying to turn the rest of the populace against you.

What are they going to fight with? Bongs and dildos?

pretzelcoatl posted...

Gun ownership is low on the left

I'm not sure this is really true.

lolife67 posted...

I'm not sure this is really true.

Especially when the first thing Id do is go take guns from conservatives.

divot1338 posted...

Especially when the first thing Id do is go take guns from conservatives.

Seems unsafe and sort of delusional. Nobody is an anime protagonist, I don't think robbing someone for their guns would be very successful in a "society breaks down" situation.

Nukazie posted...

if trump loses again, there might be another jan 6 or perhaps a bigger one of that

True, thankfully I think the government would be much more prepared to shut that down quickly this time around

HOON posted...

What are they going to fight with? Bongs and dildos?

That's true, what with the gun laws that only allow registered Republicans to own firearms...

Lmfao no.

You're talking about a group of people who all think they are going to be poets and tarot card readers post revolution.

Shadow_Don posted...

Lmfao no.

You're talking about a group of people who all think they are going to be poets and tarot card readers post revolution.

I'm sorry, what?

Euripides posted...

That's true, what with the gun laws that only allow registered Republicans to own firearms...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b4b1d16e.jpg

I think it's important for the more historically oppressed groups of people to legally own guns (who tend to trend Democrat), but please don't be obtuse

pretzelcoatl posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b4b1d16e.jpg

I think it's important for the more historically oppressed groups of people to legally own guns (who tend to trend Democrat), but please don't be obtuse

Would be nice to know what the different colored bars mean in your chart

The left don't have the stones to do anything. They'll just have a pout about it. The right tend to be lacking a lot upstairs but they're at least packing downstairs. They may be totally wrong about something but by God they'll do something. The left won't even bother going to the polls if the guy they wanted didn't end up on the ballot.

There's something that happened that I like to reference as an illustration. At a local dirt track a guy won a race and was interviewed afterwards. He boasted "Tonight I get anal." His wife or girlfriend (not sure which) was surprised and asked how he knows that. He joked, "Because I'm stronger than you." That's our parties right there.

Protests and riots perhaps. But I'm sure the left knows they are heavily outgunned by the right.

I know not all liberals are against guns but there are plenty enough that don't feel the need to have one let alone a stock of ammo. Republicans on the other hand.... yeah they'd Ultimately lose if they took on the army but I feel with their weapons and habit of stocking ammo they'd do a little damage before being put down. If they where smart in how they fought anyways that part is debatable

Euripides posted...

Would be nice to know what the different colored bars mean in your chart

Oops, cut them off by accident. Light blue is "personally owns a gun" and dark blue is "Lives in a household with a gun"

pjnelson posted...

The left don't have the stones to do anything. They'll just have a pout about it. The right tend to be lacking a lot upstairs but they're at least packing downstairs. They may be totally wrong about something but by God they'll do something. The left won't even bother going to the polls if the guy they wanted didn't end up on the ballot.

There's literally tens of thousands of people protesting the Israeli genocide every day. Like actively being beaten and arrested for peacefully protesting.

I'm sure if they went and started violently protesting it, you'd bitch that they're rioting and burning down cities though, right?

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

HOON posted...

What are they going to fight with? Bongs and dildos?

Lots of people on the left in America own and train to use guns precisely because they know they have to. That they need to defend themselves is the worst were to happen.

creativerealms posted...

Lots of people on the left in America own and train to use guns precisely because they know they have to. That they need to defend themselves is the worst were to happen.

Not enough though.

Where as a non gun owing person on the right is a rarity.

No

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Not enough though.

Where as a non gun owing person on the right is a rarity.

They're mostly cosplayers though.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

They're mostly cosplayers though.

Most I know actively go out and shoot. I live in the rural south though where a lot can get away with shooting in their back yard.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Most I know actively go out and shoot. I live in the rural south though where a lot can get away with shooting in their back yard.

What's that got to do with anything?

You kidding me, they love the guy.

What would they do or talk about without him? I'll tell you what: Trump anyway. In the year 2050, when he's been dead for 20 years, he'll STILL be one in three headlines on CNN.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

You kidding me, they love the guy.

What would they do or talk about without him? I'll tell you what: Trump anyway. In the year 2050, when he's been dead for 20 years, he'll STILL be one in three headlines on CNN.

Well yeah, his kids will likely still be trying for office

MirageOfRuins posted...

Plus the right wing has all the guns. Ever see those Meal Team Six and Yall Qaida memes. Yeah these idiots are itching to pull the trigger and own the libruls any day.

You'll find that there are plenty on the left with guns. We just don't make it our whole personality so you don't see it as openly.

Realistically to TC's question though, no. Not in the sense that you are thinking. The likeliest scenario is simply that there are massive protests in all of the largest cities that will be brutally put down by police and DHS (like Portland a few years back) leading to massive unrest and a tanking of the economy, which the Trump administration will be completely unable to deal with due to it being filled with incompetent lickspittles.

What happens then determines the scale of violence that follows. If something to fix the economy doesn't happen then you'll have a shitload of people with nothing to lose. It's always then that things happen if they are going to. The French Revolution and The Russian Revolution especially were triggered by huge chunks of their populations that essentially had very little to lose. They were able to overwhelm and overthrow systems that should have been able to crush fairly quickly.

Thing is, in the scenario, you are looking at the dissolution of the US as a nation. Any left leaning Government installed in that scenario will be viewed as illegitimate by the every single red leaning state and a chunk of blue leaning ones as well. Which means a breakdown into regional factions that are unlikely to be able to control the majority of populations they ostensibly rule. IE China during the Warlord period prior to the Japanese invasion.

No. If we can't even be united enough to vote to keep Trump out of office, then there's exactly 0 chance that a revolution happens.

Shadow_Don posted...

Lmfao no.

You're talking about a group of people who all think they are going to be poets and tarot card readers post revolution.

Did this actually make sense to you when you wrote it, or did you just give up and hit post anyway?

Would not happen. for some years.

pretzelcoatl posted...

I feel like this is delusional. Gun ownership is low on the left and they also seem to be the first people to claim that small arms don't work against the government.

To be fair, small arms won't work against the government if they have the full backing of the military. If the military is lock step with 2025 then settle in for the long haul because even if every armed civilian left and right wanted to stand against them they would fall. Best case for actual revolution is if the military splits in a close to equal factions.Even that is more likely to lead to regional factions and never a reformation of the US as a whole.

I don't see a revolution happening, but I do see the GOP being unable to maintain their control after enough time passes and people realize how bad they are at actual governance (as the current House shows) when they can't use minorities, immigrants and gay people as a scapegoat for America's problems.

Of course, the problem is how much damage they'll cause to the country before being wiped out by their own incompetence and greed.

Yes, the people who couldnt be bothered to get up off their asses to do something as simple as vote are totally going to go out there and guillotine peeps.

I think there's an illusion that gun ownership is low on the left, but that is probably because virtually everyone who is out buying enough guns for a small army (I have a libertarian coworker who has dozens) is on the right, and honestly.. you can't use them all at the same time.

That being said, I have a hard time envisioning a revolution like what we have seen in the past.

Goldenguy posted...

I think there's an illusion that gun ownership is low on the left, but that is probably because virtually everyone who is out buying enough guns for a small army (I have a libertarian coworker who has dozens) is on the right, and honestly.. you can't use them all at the same time.

That being said, I have a hard time envisioning a revolution like what we have seen in the past.

It's not using them all at the same time it's more about having more ammo.
I probably have a few hundred rounds spread out over like 10 guns which several are the caliber.

BTW didn't buy any of it. Just inherited it. Only one gun is truly mine as it was bought specifically for my 21st birthday. Rest where inherited or hand me downs.

So if I where the type (I'm not) I could strap up with 3 hand guns and carry plenty enough ammo for all 3. Then have a rifle with a moderate amount of ammo. I don't have anything like aks or ar15s. My rifles are from like Vietnam era and older and bolt action.

Shadow_Don posted...

Lmfao no.

You're talking about a group of people who all think they are going to be poets and tarot card readers post revolution.

The communists and anarchists seem confident that their revolution will succeed. Perhaps they have some kind of plan to make it happen on their own?

A leftist revolution in America lol. The country's mighty rivers running white with soy.

well at least it looks like people would never expect it.

ScazarMeltex posted...

You'll find that there are plenty on the left with guns. We just don't make it our whole personality so you don't see it as openly.

Realistically to TC's question though, no. Not in the sense that you are thinking. The likeliest scenario is simply that there are massive protests in all of the largest cities that will be brutally put down by police and DHS (like Portland a few years back) leading to massive unrest and a tanking of the economy, which the Trump administration will be completely unable to deal with due to it being filled with incompetent lickspittles.

What happens then determines the scale of violence that follows. If something to fix the economy doesn't happen then you'll have a shitload of people with nothing to lose. It's always then that things happen if they are going to. The French Revolution and The Russian Revolution especially were triggered by huge chunks of their populations that essentially had very little to lose. They were able to overwhelm and overthrow systems that should have been able to crush fairly quickly.

Thing is, in the scenario, you are looking at the dissolution of the US as a nation. Any left leaning Government installed in that scenario will be viewed as illegitimate by the every single red leaning state and a chunk of blue leaning ones as well. Which means a breakdown into regional factions that are unlikely to be able to control the majority of populations they ostensibly rule. IE China during the Warlord period prior to the Japanese invasion.

If theres a revolution there wont be protests. Not with people anyway.

Nobody's gonna do shit lmao

ScazarMeltex posted...

You'll find that there are plenty on the left with guns. We just don't make it our whole personality so you don't see it as openly.

Realistically to TC's question though, no. Not in the sense that you are thinking. The likeliest scenario is simply that there are massive protests in all of the largest cities that will be brutally put down by police and DHS (like Portland a few years back) leading to massive unrest and a tanking of the economy, which the Trump administration will be completely unable to deal with due to it being filled with incompetent lickspittles.

What happens then determines the scale of violence that follows. If something to fix the economy doesn't happen then you'll have a shitload of people with nothing to lose. It's always then that things happen if they are going to. The French Revolution and The Russian Revolution especially were triggered by huge chunks of their populations that essentially had very little to lose. They were able to overwhelm and overthrow systems that should have been able to crush fairly quickly.

Thing is, in the scenario, you are looking at the dissolution of the US as a nation. Any left leaning Government installed in that scenario will be viewed as illegitimate by the every single red leaning state and a chunk of blue leaning ones as well. Which means a breakdown into regional factions that are unlikely to be able to control the majority of populations they ostensibly rule. IE China during the Warlord period prior to the Japanese invasion.

It begs the question on how China and Russia would respond to this. While I have no doubt the blue states will find allies in most of Europe and perhaps Japan or South Korea, the red states may likely end up either isolating themselves or siding with Russia and Hungary.