Current Events > Pro-Israeli counter protestors attack anti-genocide protestors at UCLA camp

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Screaming for a 2nd Nakba. Police of course no where to be found.
I'd call them pro-genocide based on the calls for the 2nd Nakba but I'd hate to hurt any fee fees.
https://twitter.com/TeresaWatanabe/status/1785580909795942766

ScazarMeltex posted...

I'd call them pro-genocide based on the calls for the 2nd Nakba but I'd hate to hurt any fee fees.

Call them what they are, pro-Genocide.
Imagine someone yelling "second holocaust" and all media will scream nonstop about anti-semitism.

Its pretty sad and ironic that its the pro Israel fraction to get violent before the pro Palestines despite all the fear mongering by governments and media.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68937775

Violence erupted at the University of California, Los Angeles after pro-Israeli counter-demonstrators attacked a pro-Palestinian campus encampment.
Bubbling tensions on the campus boiled over following the alleged breach of a "buffer zone" between the rival groups.
Fireworks and tear gas flew through the night sky as masked counter-protesters attempted to tear down barricades, and struck campers with sticks and bats.
Protesters have said that police were slow to respond after violence started.
Law enforcement called to the scene was guarding the space as morning broke.
The overnight clash at one of America's top public colleges took place only hours after police in New York had raided and cleared a Columbia University building taken over by students.
Protests at Columbia against the war in Gaza have inspired similar actions at universities - small and large, public and private - in more than two dozen states, with protesters demanding that institutions cut financial ties with Israel and companies profiting from the war.
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Mary Osako, a UCLA vice-chancellor, said police and other first responders were immediately called to the scene of its encampment over "horrific acts of violence" early on Wednesday morning.
"We are sickened by this senseless violence and it must end," she said.
Classes were cancelled on Wednesday.
The university declared the tent camp on Dickson Plaza an illegal gathering on Tuesday but declined to involve law enforcement in disrupting what it called a "largely peaceful" demonstration.
But the security presence in the area expanded over the past 48 hours as tensions flared between the encampment and pro-Israeli individuals, with the groups separated by a narrow buffer zone of barricades.
Footage online appears to show a large group of counter-protesters, donning black outfits and white masks, arriving on campus just before midnight on Tuesday and attempting to dismantle the barriers.

This feels like some dystopian shit

Counter protestors were masked and attacking with hardwood poles ---

No word that any of these were arrested.

CobraGT posted...

Counter protestors were masked and attacking with hardwood poles ---

No word that any of these were arrested.

Weird huh? It's the counter protesters who feel the need to hide their identities rather than the pro-Palestine side.

After watching the BBC video I can appreciate why the cops did not want to go up against the pole wielders. /S

Unfortunately, this is a time honored American tradition. Cops letting a fascist mob go wild against left-wing protesters. Cops and fascists are usually working together, and in fact there's significant overlap between the two. Some of those that work forces etc.

TheFuzz3451 posted...

Unfortunately, this is a time honored American tradition. Cops letting a fascist mob go wild against left-wing protesters. Cops and fascists are usually working together, and in fact there's significant overlap between the two. Some of those that work forces etc.

Cops really don't fucking like when protestors chant "cops and klan go hand in hand". I've seen that in person.

TheFuzz3451 posted...

Unfortunately, this is a time honored American tradition. Cops letting a fascist mob go wild against left-wing protesters. Cops and fascists are usually working together, and in fact there's significant overlap between the two. Some of those that work forces etc.

A tale as old as time

The pro-Israel side resorting to physical violence....definitely deranged I agree. But this is no innocent protest either....scary the stuff that is happening now and the anti-semitism wave that is piggybacking onto and riding the waves of this protest

https://shorturl.at/mpF23

This is pretty chilling. People invoking Hamas, saying October 7 is going to happen 1000 times over....etc.

Im sure there is probably anti-Muslim stuff happening too that that article doesn't talk about.

Scary times for jewish and muslim people in the world all because of Israel and Hamas miles away.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

The pro-Israel side resorting to physical violence....definitely deranged I agree. But this is no innocent protest either....scary the stuff that is happening now and the anti-semitism wave that is piggybacking onto and riding the waves of this protest

https://shorturl.at/mpF23

This is pretty chilling. People invoking Hamas, saying October 7 is going to happen 1000 times over....etc.

Im sure there is probably anti-Muslim stuff happening too that that article doesn't talk about.

Scary times for jewish and muslim people in the world all because of Israel and Hamas miles away.

Kindly stop "both siding" rival protesters. A minority of pro-Palestine protesters with bad signs cannot be compared to violent Zionists defending genocide and attacking those that dare to disagree with them. That's like saying BLM protesters are comparable to 1/6 insurrectionists because there were some black nationalists supporting the former, despite the fact that their causes are polar opposites.

Then again, didn't claim that the "from the river to the sea" slogan is antisemitic?

Fenriswolf posted...

Kindly stop "both siding" rival protesters. A minority of pro-Palestine protesters with bad signs cannot be compared to violent Zionists defending genocide and attacking those that dare to disagree with them. That's like saying BLM protesters are comparable to 1/6 insurrectionists because there were some black nationalists supporting the former, despite the fact that their causes are polar opposites.

Then again, didn't claim that the "from the river to the sea" slogan is antisemitic?

Um...yes, a minority of Pro Palestinians using genocidal rhetoric can be compared to a minority of pro Israel people getting violent about genocide IMO. Calling for Jewish deaths (literally praising Hamas and saying that 10/7 is going to happen 1000 times) and harassing Jewish students to the point that a rabbi was advising them to go home because they were not safe, is comparable to the vile actions by the Israel protesters. 1/6 Insurrectionists were not responding to something like 10/7 so it's a pretty different situation. BLM protesters were not throwing threats at a vulnerable minority population.

I genuinely believe most people are completely sincere in their protests and are looking for peace and for Palestinians to be free from oppression, and for Israeli's brutal war crimes to stop.

But there is also an element of something more sinister standing beside them. And the refusal of the left to acknowledge the problem of anti-semitism co-opting their protests is pretty scary to Jewish people.

Yes, I brought up how that slogan invokes genocide against Israelis and Jews because of its usage by Hamas, and instead of people acknowledging that, they continued to insist on using the phrase, said they don't care about Jewish fee fees, and that a new anti-semite is born every day Israel continues to be evil.

Then we are supposed to not be afraid that there is anti-semitism in these protests?

There is so much propaganda on both sides it's crazy and everybody wants to prove the other side is the evil one. This whole situation is a mess....there are probably people critical of Israel's actions that also don't like the protests because they feel like it is anti-semitic and I do think that more could be done to show that that is not the case, and that the enemy is the Israeli government, not Jewish people or Israeli citizens

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Um...yes, a minority of Pro Palestinians using genocidal rhetoric can be compared to a minority of pro Israel people getting violent about genocide IMO. Calling for Jewish deaths (literally praising Hamas and saying that 10/7 is going to happen 1000 times) and harassing Jewish students to the point that a rabbi was advising them to go home because they were not safe, is comparable to the vile actions by the Israel protesters. 1/6 Insurrectionists were not responding to something like 10/7 so it's a pretty different situation. BLM protesters were not throwing threats at a vulnerable minority population.

Your claim is a false equivalence by the sheer fact that there are anti-Zionist Jews present in the protest camps. Furthermore, the vast majority of protesters are calling for the war to end, not to for Israel to be destroyed. Those calling for Israel to be "decolonized" want to abolish the current system that favors Israelis over Palestinians, especially when it comes to the law. In a case where an Israeli is caught sharing a joint with a Palestinian for instance, the former world be punished according to Israeli civil law, but the latter would be punished by Israeli military law to a harsher degree.

Tell me, do you think those BLM protesters calling for abolition of police want to round up police and their families to be slaughtered?

In contrast, elected far right politicians are openly falling for murder of Palestinians, and calling Palestine supporters "Hamas supporters" is a common dogwhistle.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/10/florida-republican-michelle-salzman-palestine

The cops probably helped organise it

Funkydog posted...

The cops probably helped organise it

Don't want to draw a definitive conclusion but yeah there's like 50/50 odds it's true.

Cops when pro-Palestinian protestors are being attacked by Zionists: I sleep

Cops when its time to disperse the pro-Palestinian protestors:

https://x.com/huntedhorse/status/1785996746952429875?s=46&t=2B8t9GE_Xny7zJuZWyeWNw

Fenriswolf posted...

Tell me, do you think those BLM protesters calling for abolition of police want to round up police and their families to be slaughtered?

No? I mean....is it not obvious why this is not the same thing? Hamas literally did slaughter Jews and their families, so obviously hearing echoes of the language Hamas uses in this situation is EXTREMELY different than anything BLM has said?

Fenriswolf posted...

In contrast, elected far right politicians are openly falling for murder of Palestinians, and calling Palestine supporters "Hamas supporters" is a common dogwhistle.

Yeah, it's EXTREMELY messed up. Hopefully you will be much better than that. There are dogwhistles from the pro-Palestinian side too, so reject them.

It just seems like despite the left being the party that protects minorities, any concerns or worries of antisemitism seem to be brushed off. Even the way 'Zionist' is used as if it was a dirty word, when to many people 'Zionist' just means thinking Israel has the right to exist. By that definition Id think most jews are 'zionists' even if they hate the israeli government and think it needs to be stopped. Zionist does not mean pro-genocide or pro-Israel bombing people, or at least to many it does not.

I guarantee that there are many Jewish people watching these things and feeling frightened about what it will do for anti-semitism going forward, and seeing the anti-semitism that does exist not being called out and rejected, and actually brushed off or defended is really scary to see. ESPECIALLY when its the left of all people.

To be clear, there is nothing anti-semitic about protesting Israel's government and their actions

Oh so this dude closed his own topic with everyone dogwalking him on how his takes identically line up with Israeli propaganda so now he's going to go stink up other topics.

Cool.

But here's the thing....once again you guys are engaging in this the wrong way. Even in this thread people refuse to acknowledge the threat of anti-semitic sentiment making its way into the otherwise-valid protests. That feels pretty frightening. Especially with an article posting instance after instance after instance of anti-semitic behavior towards Jewish students (who are, by the way, not in Israel)

So are Jews being 'stupid' ? When they see in front of their eyes that this is how people react? Unfortunately they have a history of a people of devastating effects when things swing in an anti-semitic direction.

So protest Israel all you want, and many Jews will protest right with you, but be careful with your rhetoric because there's also a sensitive population on the other side. Just like if you were to protest Hamas, you would be careful about how the sentiment affects Muslims.

I saw a study on reddit yesterday that said 20% of gen Z polled said they agreed the Holocaust is a myth? WTF??

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/18de5jd/gen_z_is_hopping_on_to_some_worrying_trends/

I don't know YouGov but apparently they are the source of the data and the comments seem to think they are a fairly reliable source? The rates of holocaust denial were higher in democrats than in republicans....

Like there's scary stuff going on in the world for Jews and Muslims alike and this conflict will lead to a LOT of hatred towards undeserved parties. Israel is a very valid target but not Jews in general (even Zionists, is a bit of a weird thing to use, since being anti-zionist could mean you are against Israeli oppression or for many it could mean they don't think Israel should exist at all)

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People don't realize that their rhetoric and responses affects people.

People express how they are feeling worried by what they see as growing anti-semitic sentiment, including sharing space with some of these protesters, including many instances of actual anti-semitic rhetoric and threats.

it is written off as "pointless drivel"

People wonder why people are getting the wrong idea, and say "are they stupid that they can't figure out what the protests mean?"

But yet they don't mind shouting people down and dismissing them and then wonder why people worry.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

The pro-Israel side resorting to physical violence....definitely deranged I agree. But this is no innocent protest either....scary the stuff that is happening now and the anti-semitism wave that is piggybacking onto and riding the waves of this protest

https://shorturl.at/mpF23

This is pretty chilling. People invoking Hamas, saying October 7 is going to happen 1000 times over....etc.

Im sure there is probably anti-Muslim stuff happening too that that article doesn't talk about.

Scary times for jewish and muslim people in the world all because of Israel and Hamas miles away.

Right on cue to "both sides!" the ongoing genocide.

Still crazy how you care more about the use of this statement than the ongoing genocide and refuse to acknowledge that when people call you out on it.

I don't 'care more about the use of this statement than the ongoing genocide' but everybody is already protesting the genocide and it is not a controversial issue here so there's nothing to say. But as a Jewish person obviously seeing that somebody wants October 7 to happen 1000 times is an obviously chilling statement that hits close to home, and to see it brushed off as nothing does make me look at the college protests differently. Ironically the responses are sometimes even worse, because when it's one person you say "well they don't represent the movement", then you come here and instead of people agreeing and condemning those people they just brush it off? Even make a point of saying the same phrases that you talked about why Jewish people have concerns with. For the record, the pro-Israeli counter protestors getting violent do not represent me and the people that want to stop Israel have a right to protest. I think there are very valid reasons to protest Israel, and I don't think protesting Israel makes you anti-semitic (and I have argued such to my family many times, defending the protests). But I do think that people are too comfortable with anti-semitic sentiment and stoking the fires in ways that make me upset. People would feel the same way about anti-Muslim sentiment but when it's concerns of anti-semitism somehow people don't care. And then they defend it because of the actions of Israel's government? Just as there are innocent Palestinians there are innocent Israelis, and of course Jews world-wide that have nothing to do with any of this.

The fact people continually brush it off is scary. Like because of Israel's actions, anything is ok.

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You're reading his posts still?

Nah you absolutely don't give a shit about the ongoing genocide, your posts here are evidence enough of that.

Like, you didn't even bother to address the following post in your other topic when you asked why they don't use other phrases and someone responded with a great reply, likely because you can't.

"Have you ever been to one of these protests? Or even watched videos of one? They chant so many other slogans in addition to this one. Ceasefire now, Free Palestine, No Justice, No Peace, etc.

If you search online, you'll see pro-Israel groups making the same arguments that each and every one of these phrases is identical to knowing calls for genocide and cannot be understood any other way. Even Free Palestine. Because it's not actually about any specific language, it's about the underlying political position. The most vehemently pro-Israel people are heavily invested in poising the well on ANY language used to express desire for Palestinian freedom. They want it to be impossible to express that idea without it being considered antisemitic. They generate the "confusion" then use the "confusion" to say the idea shouldn't be expressed. Some others end up doing the same thing out of fear and paranoia.

Right wingers do this all the time and this is no different. They themselves make something "controversial" and then say that controversial thing is radioactive and should be banned from public life/discussion. They did it with BLM, they do it with LGBT people, and this is another version of that."

Your entire goal with these posts is to downplay and deflect from the ongoing genocide and spin any and all protests as antisemitic because of the use of the phrase. It's remarkably transparent.

I honestly don't know HOW to respond to somebody that refuses to acknowledge why the phrase is problematic. Im sure there are people that say that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, but I don't agree with them, as Ive said many times. There are legitimate fears out there that people have that this is an anti-semitic movement. I don't think it's true, mainly, and if it's not true, wouldn't you want everybody to know it isn't true?

Ive seen them chant things that are fair, and also things that are uncomfortable.

If they have so many chants, why do they insist on using the one that sounds violent and is used by hamas and associated with genocide? Or is there a section of the protests, if just a small amount, that are angry and DO like the idea of throwing genocidal things in retaliation for the Israeli genocide? I don't want to believe that, but their insistence is concerning. And I feel like if this was the right doing it, everybody would feel the same way and rightfully call out the behavior.

You have repeatedly refused to acknowledge that there may be a section of the protesting group that is influenced by anti-semitism so you can't be engaged with really.....I've tried numerous times to explain why it's problematic, and why it's problematic how people react when that's pointed out, but it is brushed off and ignored, which is exactly the problem people have in the first place.

Im not even engaging in the topics about the actual conflict anymore, this is about protests and students in America.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

People don't realize that their rhetoric and responses affects people.

People express how they are feeling worried by what they see as growing anti-semitic sentiment, including sharing space with some of these protesters, including many instances of actual anti-semitic rhetoric and threats.

it is written off as "pointless drivel"

People wonder why people are getting the wrong idea, and say "are they stupid that they can't figure out what the protests mean?"

But yet they don't mind shouting people down and dismissing them and then wonder why people worry.

Do you realize how your rhetoric and response (and the media's which you are regurgitating their talking points in unison) is actively taking away the attention of the purpose of these protests? The protests that are about an actual ongoing genocide that is happening right now. You're taking away attention from that.

You've admitted it yourself that a vast majority of these students protesting are not antisemitic in any way, do not wish ill on Jewish people at all, and it's a small minority of people that are doing it.

And even when pointing out that the small minority or protesters that are doing it are being condemned by the protest organizers. Even while some of the antisemitism is literally being created by agitators so they can poison the well from within the protests, you continue to post on and on and on in multiple topics about how prevalent all this antisemitism is, even though you've admitted it's actually not.

No one is saying antisemitism doesn't exist. No one is saying that there aren't bad faith actors that are using these protests to try to get their extreme views out there. They are, and that sucks and should not happen. But it's not the purpose of these protests, they're being condemned by organizers and supporters alike.

But every second that gets spent talking about how "these protests are actually endorsing a Jewish genocide" by people like you or the media is being used as a distraction from the actual purpose of these protests.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I honestly don't know HOW to respond to somebody that refuses to acknowledge why the phrase is problematic. Im sure there are people that say that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, but I don't agree with them, as Ive said many times. There are legitimate fears out there that people have that this is an anti-semitic movement. I don't think it's true, mainly, and if it's not true, wouldn't you want everybody to know it isn't true?

Ive seen them chant things that are fair, and also things that are uncomfortable.

If they have so many chants, why do they insist on using the one that sounds violent and is used by hamas and associated with genocide? Or is there a section of the protests, if just a small amount, that are angry and DO like the idea of throwing genocidal things in retaliation for the Israeli genocide? I don't want to believe that, but their insistence is concerning. And I feel like if this was the right doing it, everybody would feel the same way and rightfully call out the behavior.

You have repeatedly refused to acknowledge that there may be a section of the protesting group that is influenced by anti-semitism so you can't be engaged with really.....I've tried numerous times to explain why it's problematic, and why it's problematic how people react when that's pointed out, but it is brushed off and ignored, which is exactly the problem people have in the first place.

Im not even engaging in the topics about the actual conflict anymore, this is about protests and students in America.

The phrase can be problematic, don't think I've ever said otherwise. I just don't think it really is in these protests, because it's been co-opted. Remember when you said phrases can be co-opted and then acted like that couldn't possibly have happened to this phrase because it completely shuts down your whining?

You of all people saying someone else can't be engaged with is fucking deeply hilarious and hypocritical.

And we know you won't engage in topics about the actual conflict anymore; it's way harder to hide your actual goal of deflecting and downplaying the actual ongoing genocide if you have to talk about it directly.

And ultimately if there are people using the phrase to be anti-semitic at the protests, they're a very, very small minority, something you yourself seem to acknowledge, so all your posts serve to do is deflect attention away from the actual subject of the protests.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

The pro-Israel side resorting to physical violence....definitely deranged I agree. But this is no innocent protest either....scary the stuff that is happening now and the anti-semitism wave that is piggybacking onto and riding the waves of this protest

Just pathetic.

Sandalorn posted...

Just pathetic.

I actually didn't see that he said that. Calling these protests "not innocent" and acting like anything that's happening is even sort of equivalent to what these fucking piece of shit counter protesters have done (and are currently still doing) is fucking disgusting.

NoMeLx22x posted...

I actually didn't see that he said that. Calling these protests "not innocent" and acting like anything that's happening is even sort of equivalent to what these fucking piece of shit counter protesters have done (and are currently still doing) is fucking disgusting.

He's a pure hard-liner....he spouts 100% IDF/Bibi level of propaganda. What he says and implies literally turns my stomach and gamefaqs just allows it thread after thread.

Imagine focusing more on a phrase that has multiple meanings as a call to genocide while also downplaying and ignoring THE ACTUAL GENOCIDE HAPPENING by the country he supports. You simply have to be a horrible person to do that. Horrible.

Sandalorn posted...

He's a pure hard-liner....he spouts 100% IDF/Bibi level of propaganda. What he says and implies literally turns my stomach and gamefaqs just allows it thread after thread.

Imagine focusing solely on a phrase that has multiple meanings as a call to genocide while also downplaying and ignoring THE ACTUAL GENOCIDE HAPPENING by the country he supports. You simply have to be a horrible person to do that. Horrible.

100% IDF/Bibi level of propaganda? I said that Israel's actions have been horrible. Is that what Bibi says? Anyway I said I would stop engaging, its just frustrating seeing posts like this calling you horrible and ignoring what you are actually saying, refusing to engage with one point, which I believe I have at least done to some people. I don't think Im horrible, but I think the lack of empathy shown by the supposedly empathetic side can be pretty horrible too. I do think there are probably more extreme viewpoints here, and I have to imagine that does not include most people offline.

I continue to think that people are behaving like conservatives and doing things they would call out if the other side did them....but none of us can change each other's minds it seems. I just again say be careful with your messaging because Im not the only one. But again, I will try to stop responding now <_<

HHH_is_the_game posted...

I feel like I've been engaging...probably too much.

Please feel free to disengage at any time

i think anti semitism is being created by israel, not the protesters

"The racist behavior is being created by the ones that folks are being racist to!" WTF kind of logic is that!?

Necronmon posted...

"The racist behavior is being created by the ones that folks are being racist to!" WTF kind of logic is that!?

wtf? Israel are acting like entitled violent criminals. Thats whats fueling anti semitism the most. If israel actually was good then the anti semitism movement would have no fuel. This wouldnt be happening if israel wasnt doing bad things to EVERYONE. People ar elosing jobs because of israel and innocents are getting harassed by israel.

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I personally just skip his posts whenever I see his name. Nothing of values been lost.

hak145 posted...

i think anti semitism is being created by israel, not the protesters.

I know I said Id disengage but I just wanna point to this as an example of what I mean when I say the left is acting like the right. Seeing these kinds of things in progressive spaces is very disheartening to see, when they are supposed to be the party against this kind of rhetoric.

Thanks Necronmon for calling it out.

Zeeak4444 posted...

I personally just skip his posts whenever I see his name. Nothing of values been lost.

This is what I need to do. He and his ilk are the only posters that get me so irate that I might say something to get purged out of CE. It is so unbelievable to me.

Necronmon posted...

"The racist behavior is being created by the ones that folks are being racist to!" WTF kind of logic is that!?

So you're doing the whole equating Israel with Jewish people again?