Current Events > Pro-Israeli counter protestors attack anti-genocide protestors at UCLA camp

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Both sides are saying and doing shit i hear in different places. Neither side is completely on the moral high ground with both claiming it anyway. Its going to continue to get dangerous while the republicans sit back and laugh and use it to try to destroy their delusional and contrived woke and roll back as many freedoms as they can that other people fought and died for. Classic divide and conquer.

The protestors on both sides arent savy enough not to play into their hands and are a detriment to their own causes.

looks like triple h is warned

X8Azazel8X posted...

Both sides

Just going to let you know, when you start a post like this? The odds of people reading the rest are pretty low.

Enclave posted...

Just going to let you know, when you start a post like this? The odds of people reading the rest are pretty low.

Yeah its nice to cherry pick things when you have a hard time dealing with the rest being true.

X8Azazel8X posted...

Yeah its nice to cherry pick things when you have a hard time dealing with the rest being true.

Look, I'm just giving you some general advice. Would have done this in literally any political thread where you started your post with "Both sides" unironically regardless of the subject.

HHH_is_the_game posted...

Um...yes, a minority of Pro Palestinians using genocidal rhetoric can be compared to a minority of pro Israel people getting violent about genocide IMO. Calling for Jewish deaths (literally praising Hamas and saying that 10/7 is going to happen 1000 times) and harassing Jewish students to the point that a rabbi was advising them to go home because they were not safe, is comparable to the vile actions by the Israel protesters. 1/6 Insurrectionists were not responding to something like 10/7 so it's a pretty different situation. BLM protesters were not throwing threats at a vulnerable minority population.

I genuinely believe most people are completely sincere in their protests and are looking for peace and for Palestinians to be free from oppression, and for Israeli's brutal war crimes to stop.

But there is also an element of something more sinister standing beside them. And the refusal of the left to acknowledge the problem of anti-semitism co-opting their protests is pretty scary to Jewish people.

Yes, I brought up how that slogan invokes genocide against Israelis and Jews because of its usage by Hamas, and instead of people acknowledging that, they continued to insist on using the phrase, said they don't care about Jewish fee fees, and that a new anti-semite is born every day Israel continues to be evil.

Then we are supposed to not be afraid that there is anti-semitism in these protests?

There is so much propaganda on both sides it's crazy and everybody wants to prove the other side is the evil one. This whole situation is a mess....there are probably people critical of Israel's actions that also don't like the protests because they feel like it is anti-semitic and I do think that more could be done to show that that is not the case, and that the enemy is the Israeli government, not Jewish people or Israeli citizens

So in a topic about a violent pro-Israel group using genocidal rhetoric, you condemn the violence but didn't mention that they're using genocidal rhetoric. You exclusively acknowledge genocidal rhetoric used by some pro-Palestinian people. Why is that? There is currently a leading American political candidate with a history of anti-Islamic rhetoric and now there's genocidal rhetoric used against Palestinians, that's scary too right?

Enclave posted...

Look, I'm just giving you some general advice. Would have done this in literally any political thread where you started your post with "Both sides" unironically regardless of the subject.

Right

bfslick50 posted...

So in a topic about a violent pro-Israel group using genocidal rhetoric, you condemn the violence but didn't mention that they're using genocidal rhetoric. You exclusively acknowledge genocidal rhetoric used by some pro-Palestinian people. Why is that? There is currently a leading American political candidate with a history of anti-Islamic rhetoric and now there's genocidal rhetoric used against Palestinians, that's scary too right?

So, I do want to apologize. Being too fired up I didn't read carefully and did not see the parts about them invoking the 'nakba' (and yes I realize this was mentioned very prominently in the first post)

While I do stand by what I said about anti-semitism in this thread and others, I also do want to say that I condemn their genocidal rhetoric as well, and their violence. Genocidal rhetoric is awful and no matter how they feel about the protests there is zero excuse for that, especially in light of the current events. The people in that video in the first post are awful and their association with Jews is not one I want.

It is scary times for both Jewish and muslim people right now, with all this hate swirling around, and the feelings about the conflict in the Middle East surfacing into hatred against people here.

Those pro-Israeli people in the first post are horrible, and they do not represent me or Jewish people, I reject them and their violence and genocidal rhetoric. We all must rise above this kind of thing. I agree that their rhetoric is scary too, and I would not want to be Palestinian right now having to choose between Trump and Biden. It does sound very scary, I 100% agree.

So I am sympathetic with the protesters and their cause as well, and not sympathetic to those responding in violence.

I just hope everybody remains careful and does not give into hate themselves. Earlier in this thread somebody claimed Israel is the one responsible for anti-semitism because they are being evil and that anti-semitism would not be fueled if they were not. while the first post was deleted the second one still remains. Only one person called it out. I hope we can all agree that such a sentiment is not consistent with left values that rejects such things as anti-semitism and does not give an excuse such as that one. After 9/11 the left vehemently resisted anti-muslim sentiment because it does not matter what extremist terrorists did, anti-muslim prejudice is wrong. Similarly it does not matter what Israel does, anti-semitism is still wrong. Im sure this is not a controversial opinion here so be sure to call out instances of this as well. Because anti-semitism is everywhere and they will jump on these protests. Don't be like the right and make sure these elements are being vehemently rejected especially at such a tumultuous time when both Jewish and Muslim people are afraid

Ive often heard people say that if youre in a protest and one guy is waving a Nazi flag and isnt getting the shit beat out of him, youre in a Nazi protest.

Seems like a good rule of thumb

Could this be why protestors choose venues like airports, major intersections: very public locations?

Just so law enforcement does not turn a blind eye to violence against them or commit violence against them?

CobraGT posted...

Could this be why protestors choose venues like airports, major intersections: very public locations?

Just so law enforcement does not turn a blind eye to violence against them or commit violence against them?

Thing is, cops usually turn a blind eye anyways.