Current Events > Sony censors the upcoming Tsukihime art book

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Meanwhile, Nintendo lets it through. It's crazy to think that Sony won't even let an art book through without demanding that pages be changed.

What exactly is being changed?

Well, from what I have heard from people who have the Japanese art book they are pretty sure they know the exact artwork that is probably the subject of this.. which is a fully nude piece or art of a 12 year old girl so. Ya

Censorship is b-

Raiden2909 posted...

12 year old girl

Okay yeah, in this case I agree with the censorship.

Raiden2909 posted...

Well, from what I have heard from people who have the Japanese art book they are pretty sure they know the exact artwork that is probably the subject of this.. which is a fully nude piece or art of a 12 year old girl so. Ya

What in the actual fuck

More Sony censorship and yet people will tell you companies censor stuff completely voluntarily when working with Sony.

Japan needs to stop with Lolita shit.

Fuck it, I'm leaving that autocorrect in.

ForsakenHermit posted...

What exactly is being changed?

From what I've read, it could be the picture of Arcueid's dismembered corpse.

YellowSUV posted
More Sony censorship and yet people will tell you companies censor stuff completely voluntarily when working with Sony.

Did you not read posts 3-5 or are you okay with this

Trelve posted...

From what I've read, it could be the picture of Arcueid's dismembered corpse.

Uh huh sure thats it

Raiden2909 posted...

Well, from what I have heard from people who have the Japanese art book they are pretty sure they know the exact artwork that is probably the subject of this.. which is a fully nude piece or art of a 12 year old girl so. Ya

If that's the case I shocked Nintendo is leaving it uncensored. That's like the one thing a company usually does not want to be associated with in almost all cases.

Hyped for this game, i didnt get through all of traukihene and have had some of it spoiled

Iyami posted...

Did you not read posts 3-5 or are you okay with this

That was posted based on only what the OP said, when I responded the other posts were not there yet. Didn't expect expect it to be bad since Nintendo didn't censor anything. I thought it was the usual fair of Sony over censoring.

Iyami posted...

Did you not read posts 3-5 or are you okay with this

The remake of Tsukihime has no nudity, as it was made for consoles and it would be never have been released on them if so. I've only read the original Tsukihime and I don't remember any characters that young. Everyone is 18 or older.

Trelve posted...

The remake of Tsukihime has no nudity, as it was made for consoles and it would be never have been released on them if so. I've only read the original Tsukihime and I don't remember any characters that young. Everyone is 18 or older.

Console games can have nudity.

Trelve posted...

The remake of Tsukihime has no nudity, as it was made for consoles and it would be never have been released on them if so. I've only read the original Tsukihime and I don't remember any characters that young. Everyone is 18 or older.

Its the art book, not the game itself this is the subject to, and one of the pieces of art in the art book is a picture of a character nude when they were 12 years old

Raiden2909 posted...

one of the pieces of art in the art book is a picture of a character nude when they were 12 years old

Yeah, that is not the hill to fight an anti censorship battle on.

ForsakenHermit posted...

Console games can have nudity.

Not visual novels. They're notoriously prudish about this sort of thing. You can at least install uncensored patches on PC.

Raiden2909 posted...

Its the art book, not the game itself this is the subject to, and one of the pieces of art in the art book is a picture of a character nude when they were 12 years old

Nintendo was fine with it, why not Sony?

nintendo always winning

Trelve posted...

Not visual novels. They're notoriously prudish about this sort of thing. You can at least install uncensored patches on PC.

Nintendo was fine with it, why not Sony?

If I had to make a guess, its mostly just due to Nintendo still having its headquarters is Japan is more in tune to the Japanese sensibilities of nudity is given a pass mostly unless its outright sexual compared to PlayStation, whose headquarters is in California is more beholden to the American sensibilities of nudity is smut and immoral and needs to be purged

ai123 posted...

Yeah, that is not the hill to fight an anti censorship battle on.

Basically. Opposing censorship needs to stay neutral to the material.
Don't let the narrative be twisted against you.

Raiden2909 posted...

American sensibilities of nudity is smut and immoral and needs to be purged

True, that is a problem. iirc that's part of the reason why Republicans have been going after lgbt books that aren't pornographic.
In this case since Nintendo is releasing it unaltered I'd doubt any genitals are visible let alone there being anything sexual. Did the people with the unaltered artbook say if the nudity was genuine nudity or like barbie doll anatomy nudity or merely topless?

Raiden2909 posted...

Well, from what I have heard from people who have the Japanese art book they are pretty sure they know the exact artwork that is probably the subject of this.. which is a fully nude piece or art of a 12 year old girl so. Ya

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Yeah, if that's true, then it's more than justified.

mistymermaid posted...

Basically. Opposing censorship needs to stay neutral to the material.
Don't let the narrative be twisted against you.

There are limitations. For example, would you want rampant hate speech to be uncensored? Either way, from an optics perspective, it doesn't look good to be fighting on this particular case, like when people got upset over the modification to underwear in Chrono Cross.

1337toothbrush posted...

There are limitations. For example, would you want rampant hate speech to be uncensored? Either way, from an optics perspective, it doesn't look good to be fighting on this particular case, like when people got upset over the modification to underwear in Chrono Cross.

Some people also got upset when certain outfits in Xenoblade X worn by Lin, 13-year-old girl, were censored in the Western versions. Yeah, some of the alterations--such as the removal of the bust slider and the universal changes to the fundoshi outfit set--were needless, but the censorship to Lin was absolutely necessary.

1337toothbrush posted...

There are limitations. For example, would you want rampant hate speech to be uncensored? Either way, from an optics perspective, it doesn't look good to be fighting on this particular case, like when people got upset over the modification to underwear in Chrono Cross.

I'm genuinely curious what instances there have been where hate speech is censored. The things that pop up first in my mind are huckleberry finn, gone with the wind, and quentin tarantino films that generally keep their language due to either historical context or villains using them.

Soliloquy_Rhap posted...

In this case since Nintendo is releasing it unaltered I'd doubt any genitals are visible let alone there being anything sexual. Did the people with the unaltered artbook say if the nudity was genuine nudity or like barbie doll anatomy nudity or merely topless?

I took a look at the image in question (although we're still not sure if this is the image that was supposedly censored).

She's wearing a cape, her hands are outstretched covering her breasts. You can see the rest of her naked body (but nothing detailed "down there"). The story may say she's 12, but she looks a lot older than that.

Trelve posted...

I took a look at the image in question (although we're still not sure if this is the image that was supposedly censored).

She's wearing a cape, her hands are outstretched covering her breasts. You can see the rest of her naked body (but nothing detailed "down there"). The story may say she's 12, but she looks a lot older than that.

That sounds like barbie doll anatomy. Although it's kind of weird that the top is actively covered but not the bottom. I figured this was a concept art thing.

The wiki for the game (which I guess anyone can edit, so who knows if it's accurate) says the character is 25

So the picture in question is of an adult with Barbie anatomy?

Anybody fighting this "censorship" should make it to an FBI list.

Foppe posted...

So the picture in question is of an adult with Barbie anatomy?

Well, ok maybe not.
I read more into the wiki and I guess that the character had an "evil version" of themselves that was split off when the character was 12.

Trelve posted...

Not visual novels. They're notoriously prudish about this sort of thing. You can at least install uncensored patches on PC.

Nintendo was fine with it, why not Sony?

Are you seriously over here complaining Sony censored a 12 year old nude art, but why didn't Nintendo?

This seriously the hill you want to die on? That Sony should embrace nude 12 year old art because Nintendo shamelessly did?

1337toothbrush posted...

There are limitations. For example, would you want rampant hate speech to be uncensored? Either way, from an optics perspective, it doesn't look good to be fighting on this particular case, like when people got upset over the modification to underwear in Chrono Cross.

The victim complex goes hand in hand with hypocrisy.

The group who wants hate speech unchecked, are the same people seeking to censor lgbt stuff.
But if you clamp down on hate speech, they'll cry censorship.

Turbam posted...

Well, ok maybe not.
I read more into the wiki and I guess that the character had an "evil version" of themselves that was split off when the character was 12.

So... the evil characters 12 first years doesnt count because reasons so she is 13 in a 25 years body?

LightningThief posted...

Are you seriously over here complaining Sony censored a 12 year old nude art, but why didn't Nintendo?

This seriously the hill you want to die on? That Sony should embrace nude 12 year old art because Nintendo shamelessly did?

My point is that Nintendo looked at the art book and found that it was fine and didn't violate any guidelines. You'd think if any company was going to complain, it'd be Nintendo.

LightningThief posted...

Are you seriously over here complaining Sony censored a 12 year old nude art, but why didn't Nintendo?

This seriously the hill you want to die on? That Sony should embrace nude 12 year old art because Nintendo shamelessly did?

Why should Nintendo feel shame if there was no sensuality involved?

When I saw this post on Twitter earlier, someone posted a particular character they felt was likely to be censored, and they didnt look 12. And now later posts ITT seem to be indicating that that age wasnt really accurate? So I guess I have no idea personally, but its worth questioning why Nintendo would let it go, and Sony wouldnt. Sony has history of seeming to be overzealous with censoring or disallowing certain subjects wholesale (so not just SB, if you believe they forced it or not), while Nintendo seems to depend more on their localization teams.

Trelve posted...

My point is that Nintendo looked at the art book and found that it was fine and didn't violate any guidelines. You'd think if any company was going to complain, it'd be Nintendo.

So this is the hill you want to die. Got it.

Raiden2909 posted...

If I had to make a guess, its mostly just due to Nintendo still having its headquarters is Japan is more in tune to the Japanese sensibilities of nudity is given a pass mostly unless its outright sexual compared to PlayStation, whose headquarters is in California is more beholden to the American sensibilities of nudity is smut and immoral and needs to be purged

And yet California game studios have no problem making games with sexy female characters in them. Weird. Almost like this is a lie.

creativerealms posted...

And yet California game studios have no problem making games with sexy female characters in them. Weird. Almost like this is a lie.

His post was not about sexy characters but about equating nudity with sex and adult content. This is kind of his point tbh.

So people are actually angry that they cant see a naked 12 year old in an art book that has no bearing on the game itself?

I just cannot side with anti-censorship people most of the time because this is what they decide to rally against

The fact that Nintendo allows those smutty AI generated Hentai games in their store shows how lax they are on this type of stuff. If it's true that it's a twelve year old girl, fair next for me.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Some people also got upset when certain outfits in Xenoblade X worn by Lin, 13-year-old girl, were censored in the Western versions. Yeah, some of the alterations--such as the removal of the bust slider and the universal changes to the fundoshi outfit set--were needless, but the censorship to Lin was absolutely necessary.

yea the rest of the censored stuff in xenoblade X where weird they where not a big deal or anything just head scratching

like ok i get why you may not want ppl making bust short girls (i think its an over reaction but i get it) so why not just make height limit the bust sliders max setting rather than just removing the slider

Trelve posted...

You'd think if any company was going to complain, it'd be Nintendo.

sony has actually been heavier on cesnoring of sexual related stuff for probably like 5+ years now. I think it's easy to forget since when most people think of nintendo they think of a lot of the big name and/or first party games which aren't going to have anything remotely like that in the first place

YellowSUV posted...

If that's the case I shocked Nintendo is leaving it uncensored. That's like the one thing a company usually does not want to be associated with in almost all cases.

My guess is that the character has Barbie doll anatomy, in this case, and is depicted in a forward profile in the form of line art. Which would make Sony's decision a bit weird.

Sony sucks so bad and I hope the PS5 Pro and PS6 are colossal flops that cause them to go the way of SEGA

Funny how Sony and Nintendo switched places when it comes to censorship.

It'd be one thing if Sony was just being prudish in general, but it's so contradictory compared to other stuff they put out.

kirbymuncher posted...

sony has actually been heavier on cesnoring of sexual related stuff for probably like 5+ years now. I think it's easy to forget since when most people think of nintendo they think of a lot of the big name and/or first party games which aren't going to have anything remotely like that in the first place

and only JPN stuff for some reason, while Western games are totally okay with any sexual stuff thrown in