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emblem-man
05/03/24 11:06:22 AM
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https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-positive-case-for-joe-biden?s=09

Tl;Dr
Factory construction is booming.
Inflation is down.
Wages are up, employment his high, wealth is up.
Violent crime is down.
Russia failed to conquer Ukraine.
America's Asian alliances are stronger.
Biden really has done a pretty good job!

The case for voting for Biden rather than against Trump



Biden made industrial policy a reality
Throughout my entire life, Ive heard Americans talk about the need to revive American manufacturing. First the Rust Belt and then the China Shock hollowed out the manufacturing workforce employment plunged, and output stagnated. And yet neither Bush nor Obama seemed to have any plan for how to make it happen.

Trump talked a big game about bringing manufacturing back to America, but his signature initiative the tariffs didnt make any headway in terms of reshoring. Trumps attempt to harangue American companies into no longer shipping jobs overseas, and his bungled attempt to get Foxconn to build a factory in rural Wisconsin, were even less effective. There was no perceptible increase in factory construction, manufacturing output, or employment.

Then came Biden. With a pair of landmark bills the (somewhat misnamed) Inflation Reduction Act and the bipartisan CHIPS and Science Act he enacted Americas first real systematic manufacturing-oriented industrial policy since at least the early 1990s, and possibly since World War 2. A massive factory construction boom began almost immediately after the bills were signed:

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What kind of factories are being built? The new spending is mostly on chips and batteries:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/34e5dcf7.jpg

Don't feel like copy pasting the whole thing, but it goes into some other foreign policy examples with China and Ukraine, as well as how the admin has done well to bring down inflation.

Yes, I know many will disagree, the same way they've been disagreeing for over a year already. And the Israel/Palestine situation is still a very big negative.
I still think it's good to highlight positives of the administration at times though and push back against some of the negativity.


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GrandConjuraton
05/03/24 11:07:58 AM
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emblem-man posted...
Inflation is down.
This is going to be a tough one for the average person to believe simply because companies won't stop price gouging, .-.

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Xatrion
05/03/24 11:08:51 AM
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"But, but, liberals! And, and, woke! And the border crisis that we won't help fix! And libs standing up to our fascism and evil!"

Fuck the gop. Good on ya, Joe.

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Charged151
05/03/24 11:12:33 AM
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Joe Biden has been surprisingly successful as a President with his accomplishments so far. Really hope he gets reelected come November. Yes, he isn't perfect, but Trump is so much worse.

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MitsuruKirijo
05/03/24 11:17:48 AM
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More positive case for Biden:

-Biden is working toward a ceasefire in Gaza, along with the release of hostages.
-Biden will appoint liberal supreme court justices in the event Clarence Thomas kicks the bucket.
-Biden will work to restore reproductive rights to 1/3 of women who lost them due to overturning Roe V. Wade.
-Biden has forgiven a lot of student debt loan, but there's still work to do
-Biden has appointed mostly competent people. We, for example, don't have a wretched old hag running the department of education into the fucking ground.
-LGBT rights are safer
-Infrastructure is getting fixed
-Working on getting Marijuana to not longer be a Schedule I drug.
-Over the pill birth control pills are on the way
-Will continue combatting climate change
-New framework that helps lower income communities afford housing (unfortunately hasn't gone into effect yet and won't until 2026 assuming someone doesn't undo it)
-Got rid of junk fees
-College programs will lose funding if their students end up with too much debt
-He's pro-union.
-Airlines now have to offer cash refund instead of just vouchers when flights are delayed or cancelled
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emblem-man
05/03/24 11:24:05 AM
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One thing that he's done that people won't like, but that has objectively helped...he's drilled drilled drilled.
With the Russia situation, being less dependent on Russia and middle east countries for energy, while being able to help out European allies is a good thing. And with how both the left and the right have shown their great dislike for inflation, having the Russia war cause higher inflation due to supply issues would have been horrible.

And while we did increase fossil fuels production short term, we've also made huge investments into renewable energy that will allow us to transition much more easily. The amount of solar, battery, and wind being built is huge and it will only increase as all these new manufacturing plants finish being built and ramp up production.
States like California already have days where their daytime energy usage is supplied by only renewable, with batteries supplying power at night.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/55cc05ce.jpg

In fact, Biden did one other thing to help bring down inflation: He increased oil production. Although he came into office expecting to curb fracking in the name of the climate, the Ukraine war prompted an about-face. Biden opened up drilling, and the U.S. now produces more oil than any country ever has in the history of the world.

Cheaper oil doesnt just make gasoline cheaper (although it does do that). It allows all kinds of businesses to move people and goods around more cheaply, allowing to produce things more cheaply which lowers inflation.

So Biden did two big things to stop inflation reappointed Powell, and ensured cheap, plentiful oil. Both of those were in the face of pressure from his own party, and showed a lot of courage and leadership. Less spending on health insurance and student debt would have taken a little of the edge off inflation in 2021, but Bidens actions to bring down inflation in 2022 and 2023 outweigh the mistake.


GrandConjuraton posted...
This is going to be a tough one for the average person to believe simply because companies won't stop price gouging, .-.

Yeah, the only hope is that people honestly just get used to the shock of the higher prices by November.

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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:11:19 AM
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MitsuruKirijo posted...
More positive case for Biden:

-Biden is working toward a ceasefire in Gaza, along with the release of hostages.
-Biden will appoint liberal supreme court justices in the event Clarence Thomas kicks the bucket.
-Biden will work to restore reproductive rights to 1/3 of women who lost them due to overturning Roe V. Wade.
-Biden has forgiven a lot of student debt loan, but there's still work to do
-Biden has appointed mostly competent people. We, for example, don't have a wretched old hag running the department of education into the fucking ground.
-LGBT rights are safer
-Infrastructure is getting fixed
-Working on getting Marijuana to not longer be a Schedule I drug.
-Over the pill birth control pills are on the way
-Will continue combatting climate change
-New framework that helps lower income communities afford housing (unfortunately hasn't gone into effect yet and won't until 2026 assuming someone doesn't undo it)
-Got rid of junk fees
-College programs will lose funding if their students end up with too much debt
-He's pro-union.
-Airlines now have to offer cash refund instead of just vouchers when flights are delayed or cancelled




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LonelyStoner
05/04/24 9:12:37 AM
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GrandConjuraton posted...
This is going to be a tough one for the average person to believe simply because companies won't stop price gouging, .-.
This. Take care of that. Theyre fucking over the backbone of America.

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Antifar
05/04/24 9:13:00 AM
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emblem-man posted...
One thing that he's done that people won't like, but that has objectively helped...he's drilled drilled drilled.
I would not cite this as a positive, personally

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Kain_Highwind
05/04/24 9:13:58 AM
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MitsuruKirijo posted...
More positive case for Biden:

-Biden is working toward a ceasefire in Gaza, along with the release of hostages.

-He's pro-union.

Working towards a ceasefire by arming Israel, huh

Also remember when railroad workers were striking and he told them "GET BACK TO WORK"

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Cheetaluv
05/04/24 9:15:07 AM
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"working"

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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:21:36 AM
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Antifar posted...
I would not cite this as a positive, personally

I know, I just wanted to get ahead of it before someone actually read the link and mentioned it. As I said, many will think it's bad. I think based on Russia/Ukraine and inflation, it can be argued to have been a good move. I think the long and short term investments in clean energy being done in parallel make up for it though

Kain_Highwind posted...
Also remember when railroad workers were striking and he told them "GET BACK TO WORK"
And then he got them exactly what they asked for afterwards

https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid?s=09&utm_source=pocket_mylist

After months of negotiations, the IBEWs Railroad members at four of the largest U.S. freight carriers finally have what theyve long sought but that many working people take for granted: paid sick days.

This is a big deal, said Railroad Department Director Al Russo, because the paid-sick-days issue, which nearly caused a nationwide shutdown of freight rail just before Christmas, had consistently been rejected by the carriers. It was not part of last Decembers congressionally implemented update of the national collective bargaining agreement between the freight lines and the IBEW and 11 other railroad-related unions.

Were thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement, Russo said. Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.

We know that many of our members werent happy with our original agreement, Russo said, but through it all, we had faith that our friends in the White House and Congress would keep up the pressure on our railroad employers to get us the sick day benefits we deserve. Until we negotiated these new individual agreements with these carriers, an IBEW member who called out sick was not compensated.

While President Joe Biden was calling on Congress in November to pass legislation to implement the agreement, he stressed that he would continue to encourage the railroads to guarantee paid sick time for their employees.

He's also walked the picket line and gained union endorsements

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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:23:24 AM
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LonelyStoner posted...
This. Take care of that. Theyre fucking over the backbone of America.

Inflation has lowered. It would be very bad for prices to actually decline back to 2019 levels.


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LightHawKnight
05/04/24 9:24:15 AM
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Other than Israel, Biden has been surprisingly good. And in the case of Israel, the orange idiot would be far far far far worse. Why do people want the orange idiot to win?

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Revelation34
05/04/24 9:26:11 AM
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emblem-man posted...

Inflation is down.



I don't remember waking up in another dimension today.

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SaikyoStyle
05/04/24 9:27:18 AM
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Your opinions are worth less than dogshit

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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:29:30 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
I don't remember waking up in another dimension today.

What do you think inflation means?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I vote for the president who's policies I think are better. Not only fits Trump suck, but I think the Biden admin policies are better than Trump's. That's my standard, does this candidates policies lead the nation closer to where I think we should be going than the other candidate.


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trappedunderice
05/04/24 9:29:59 AM
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Weekend at Biden's
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bfslick50
05/04/24 9:30:39 AM
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He actually achieved helpful bipartisan legislation

Chips bill

Infrastructure

Closing hole in the gun background check system for abusive people not married to their victim

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__aCEr__
05/04/24 9:33:04 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
I don't remember waking up in another dimension today.

It's down dramatically from what it was two years ago. The price tag you see on product isn't going to come back to what it was prior to the pandemic. That's not how inflation works.

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Revelation34
05/04/24 9:33:20 AM
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emblem-man posted...


What do you think inflation means?

I vote for the president who's policies I think are better. Not only fits Trump suck, but I think the Biden admin policies are better than Trump's. That's my standard, does this candidates policies lead the nation closer to where I think we should be going than the other candidate.



Higher prices.

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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:34:04 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Higher prices.
And do you think inflation going down means that prices go lower?

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HotDogMayo
05/04/24 9:34:45 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Other than Israel, Biden has been surprisingly good. And in the case of Israel, the orange idiot would be far far far far worse. Why do people want the orange idiot to win?

For the record, I pretty much agree and will be voting for Biden over trump, and I think that's the correct move to make in November but I don't blame people for threatening to withhold their vote over this. He's been a catastrophic failure on this issue.

And I don't think it's helpful to suggest that because people don't wanna vote for Biden that they want trump to win. I get why you're saying it, I just don't think it's helpful.

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Accolon
05/04/24 9:35:19 AM
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I'm going to vote against fascism as best I can, and currently the best option is Biden.

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Revelation34
05/04/24 9:35:30 AM
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emblem-man posted...

And do you think inflation going down means that prices go lower?


That's literally what it means.

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LeCh0nk
05/04/24 9:37:42 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
That's literally what it means.
No... it means things go up at a slower rate. Prices going down is deflation

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__aCEr__
05/04/24 9:38:25 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
That's literally what it means.

It is not. When inflation goes down that means the price in which things are rising slows down

A reversal in the price of goods is deflation.


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HotDogMayo
05/04/24 9:38:29 AM
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A person I have tagged as a trump supporter not knowing how things work, I'm shocked

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Revelation34
05/04/24 9:40:02 AM
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__aCEr__ posted...


It is not. When inflation goes down that means the price in which things are rising slows down

A reversal in the price of goods is deflation.



"Inflation is down."

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lilORANG
05/04/24 9:40:07 AM
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>not Trump

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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:41:57 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
That's literally what it means.

I don't know if you're trolli or not, because this is what the average voter actually thinks as well

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specialkid8
05/04/24 9:44:33 AM
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Only people who just like complaining about shit think he hasn't been a pretty decent president.

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AceMos
05/04/24 9:46:41 AM
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MitsuruKirijo posted...
-Biden is working toward a ceasefire in Gaza, along with the release of hostages.
no no he is not

not even close


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__aCEr__
05/04/24 9:47:31 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
"Inflation is down."

Do you need a balloon for a visual aid or something?

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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:48:05 AM
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Then hrs, I think most of Bidens policies represent my interests of:
Climate change
Increased domestic manufacturing of high tech industries
Infrastructure spending

Low unemployment

Do I have my own critique against some of those policies? Yes. But the goals align with my wishes.

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PraetorXyn
05/04/24 9:53:05 AM
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Biden being the best president pin the last 50 years says more about the last 50 years of presidents being absolute dogshit rather than Biden being good if the little Biden has done can be considered impressive.

Theres no for case here unless your standards are abysmally low and you look at this country in a vacuum instead of contrasting it with literally every other first world nation.

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Rika_Furude
05/04/24 9:53:05 AM
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i wouldn't call him pro-union given his railway strike debacle, but otherwise he has a lot of positives you'll never see from a republican
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emblem-man
05/04/24 9:59:28 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
i wouldn't call him pro-union given his railway strike debacle, but otherwise he has a lot of positives you'll never see from a republican

Post #12

PraetorXyn posted...
if the little Biden has done can be considered impressive.
You're just objectively wrong if you think what's been done has been "little'

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PraetorXyn
05/04/24 10:10:55 AM
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emblem-man posted...
Post #12

You're just objectively wrong if you think what's been done has been "little'
In a vacuum, maybe. Yet were still decades behind the other countries.

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Gwynevere
05/04/24 10:27:07 AM
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emblem-man posted...
And do you think inflation going down means that prices go lower?
Isn't inflation to prices as acceleration is to velocity? It's just a rate of change of prices increasing, right?

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emblem-man
05/04/24 10:39:58 AM
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Gwynevere posted...
Isn't inflation to prices as acceleration is to velocity? It's just a rate of change of prices increasing, right?
Correct


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Humble_Novice
05/04/24 2:20:26 PM
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Charged151 posted...
Joe Biden has been surprisingly successful as a President with his accomplishments so far. Really hope he gets reelected come November. Yes, he isn't perfect, but Trump is so much worse.
Agreed. Of course, his haters will keep on finding excuses to either vote against him or stay at home.

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