Current Events > Labour set to retain London in mayors elections.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68609732

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Turns out the reports of it being close are completely wrong and Khan is going to win by 10+ points.

Idk what this means

It's amazing what labour has been able to achieve after getting rid of corbyn.

Labour still run London. You guys have a Mayor of New York right? Its the same. Just London.

Is Labour an asshole like Adams?

Irony posted...

Is Labour an asshole like Adams?

Labour is a party not a person.

s0nicfan posted...

It's amazing what labour has been able to achieve after getting rid of corbyn.

Yeah. I voted for Corbyn but he was just too left wing for the general population. He had some good ideas that Tories and Labour have nicked. He's a good man but a poor leader. His biggest strength is also his biggest weakness. His stubbornness to compromise.

s0nicfan posted...

Labour is a party not a person.

This only slightly alters my question

Irony posted...

This only slightly alters my question

He's slightly left of centre in terms of the UK Overton window. Hes also a Muslim which has really upset the right of the country. This will be his third term as Mayor so hes obviously doing something right.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Khan

s0nicfan posted...

It's amazing what labour has been able to achieve after getting rid of corbyn.

Labour's success has nothing to do with Keir Starmer's leadership (his personal poll ratings are still consistently negative) and everything to do with the Conservatives destroying themselves.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Labour's success has nothing to do with Keir Starmer's leadership (his personal poll ratings are still consistently negative) and everything to do with the Conservatives destroying themselves.

Thats pretty much always the case when it comes to transitions of power from one party to another. Generally the incumbent have an advantage of better the devil you know. Its very rare a party takes over while the incumbent is doing well. The same thing happened when Labour won in 97 and the Tories won in 2010.

SHRlKE posted...

The same thing happened when Labour won in 97

Not really. In 1997, while a desire to just get rid of the Tories was certainly a big factor, Tony Blair had a strong personal appeal and many voters were enthusiastic about him. The same can't be said of Starmer.

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Not really. In 1997, while a desire to just get rid of the Tories was certainly a big factor, Tony Blair had a strong personal appeal and many voters were enthusiastic about him. The same can't be said of Starmer.

This. the interesting stat from these English council election results is not just that the Conservatives have been slaughtered, it's also how much of that swing Labour have actually picked up. 448 losses from the Tories sounds great for Starmer, but they only picked up 173. the other 300ish are spread across the Lib Dems, Greens and Independents, it really doesn't paint much confidence in the current Labour party

Im not comparing Starmer to Blair. Blair shits all over Starmer. But like you said there was a desire to get rid of the Tories at the time.

Corbyn lost my support (but not my vote) with his lukewarm opposition to Brexit.

SHRlKE posted...

Labour still run London. You guys have a Mayor of New York right? Its the same. Just London.

New York routinely votes for morons for NYC mayor.

The real mayor of NYC is the NYPD Union Leader.

Neoconkers posted...

This. the interesting stat from these English council election results is not just that the Conservatives have been slaughtered, it's also how much of that swing Labour have actually picked up. 448 losses from the Tories sounds great for Starmer, but they only picked up 173. the other 300ish are spread across the Lib Dems, Greens and Independents, it really doesn't paint much confidence in the current Labour party

Dont disagree at all.

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You're thinking of when the Tories slashed the Met Police budget by 1bn.

Try to keep up with current events.

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London was the safest feeling large city I've ever been to. I never at any point felt like I would be stabbed and it was nice feeling like I didn't have to worry about guns.

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https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/26/fact-check-has-sadiq-khan-really-overseen-a-surge-in-london

That's NCloud just doing that thing Republicans do

Irony posted...

That's NCloud just doing that thing Republicans do

Drive by bullshitting.

Congratulations to Count Binface for getting 25,000 votes.

He campaigned on capping the price of croissants at 1.

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I still don't know what labour and tories even are. Brits and their damn weird terms lmao!

C_Pain posted...

I still don't know what labour and tories even are. Brits and their damn weird terms lmao!

(very) roughly:
tories = republicans
labour = democrats

The UK has way more parties, but these are the two that have almost exclusively run the country. You can think of the other political parties as more like special interest groups - smaller political parties with only a few platform positions that they make the basis of their political actions.

C_Pain posted...

I still don't know what labour and tories even are. Brits and their damn weird terms lmao!

The Labour Party grew out of the Union movement. It's the party of the labour force.

'Tory' is an old Irish insult. The official name is 'Conservative', which is easy enough to understand.

C_Pain posted...

I still don't know what labour and tories even are. Brits and their damn weird terms lmao!

You have conservative party 1 and conservative party 2

Funkydog posted...

You have conservative party 1 and conservative party 2

Don't forget about the Liberal Democrats!

Neoconkers posted...

This. the interesting stat from these English council election results is not just that the Conservatives have been slaughtered, it's also how much of that swing Labour have actually picked up. 448 losses from the Tories sounds great for Starmer, but they only picked up 173. the other 300ish are spread across the Lib Dems, Greens and Independents, it really doesn't paint much confidence in the current Labour party

As long as the fucking Tories are hemorrhaging votes, I'll take it.

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Hey man would you rather it be gun crimes?

Neoconkers posted...

This. the interesting stat from these English council election results is not just that the Conservatives have been slaughtered, it's also how much of that swing Labour have actually picked up. 448 losses from the Tories sounds great for Starmer, but they only picked up 173. the other 300ish are spread across the Lib Dems, Greens and Independents, it really doesn't paint much confidence in the current Labour party

Will also add that Tories are losing votes to reform who are another right wing party coming to prominence. Heres a snip from Reddit that I agree with:

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C_Pain posted...

I still don't know what labour and tories even are. Brits and their damn weird terms lmao!

making a very rough analogy, this was more like a House election than anything more major. it was elections for very local representatives and for regional mayors. not to do with overall country control, the councillors elected don't get any vote on legislation, but very much a leading indicator for how the major elections will go.

labour are the comparatively left major party (democrat) and conservatives are the comparatively right major party (republican, but like the GOP they've swung much farther right than they were 10-15 years ago). This result is basically like if the republicans got slaughtered in the House, but a large number of those seats went to Greens or independents or other minor parties instead of to the Democrats

SHRlKE posted...

Will also add that Tories are losing votes to reform who are another right wing party coming to prominence. Heres a snip from Reddit that I agree with:

not to sound anti-democracy, but Reform works nicely as an idiot filter for election results. just pares out the dumbest of voters from the result

Im not a fan of reform whatsoever but like UKiP before them they are pretty much the only party seriously platforming on reducing immigration and not just playing it lip service. Its not hard to see why theyve had so much success.

Trelve posted...

Don't forget about the Liberal Democrats!

Sorry conservative party in denial well.

SHRlKE posted...

Im not a fan of reform whatsoever but like UKiP before them they are pretty much the only party seriously platforming on reducing immigration and not just playing it lip service. Its not hard to see why theyve had so much success.

They're also rabidly 'anti woke'. Always ready with a soundbite shedding tears over the new England kit, or hot cross buns without the cross.

Fuck 'em for the racist bigots they are.

Sure but Im just giving context for why they are splitting the Tory vote.

SHRlKE posted...

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Turns out the reports of it being close are completely wrong and Khan is going to win by 10+ points.

imagine Murica having half a dozen parties. I envy you guys. We have to pick between evil and the lesser evil. Our democratic party is your conservative party

SHRlKE posted...

Sure but Im just giving context for why they are splitting the Tory vote.

Yeah. Sorry if I implied otherwise.

Last time we had a threat to split the right wing vote, Cameron's cowardice prompted him to offer the Brexit referendum. Hopefully Reform will just doom the Tories to electoral oblivion, rather than provoke another disaster (like an IEA backed Truss style extreme Tory party winning the next but one election because Labour can't sort out all the Tory shit in one term).

Arcanine2009 posted...

imagine Murica having half a dozen parties. I envy you guys. We have to pick between evil and the lesser evil. Our democratic party is your conservative party

Despite having multiple parties, we, like you, still have to put up with a First Past the Post voting system. Supposedly it results in more stable governments but just look at 2022: three prime ministers in a couple of months.

You just end up with tactical voting rather than voting for a party you care about. We need a new voting system like PR but both Labour and the Conservatives benefit from FPTP.

I haven't paid attention to British parties in a long time. Did the Whigs become Labour or Liberal Democrats? I'm guessing the later.

Stagmar posted...

I haven't paid attention to British parties in a long time. Did the Whigs become Labour or Liberal Democrats? I'm guessing the later.

That happened in the 1850s, so I guess you haven't paid attention in a while.

Stagmar posted...

I haven't paid attention to British parties in a long time. Did the Whigs become Labour or Liberal Democrats? I'm guessing the later.

The Whigs became the Liberals, who later (much later) merged with the Social Democrats (who had broken away from Labour) to form the Liberal Democrats.

ai123 posted...

That happened in the 1850s, so I guess you haven't paid attention in a while.

That feeling when someone accidentally exposes themselves as a vampire.

Someone had better check up on Carfax House located at Purfleet to see what's really going on.

ai123 posted...

That happened in the 1850s, so I guess you haven't paid attention in a while.

Oh shoot. Does that mean that Palmerston hasn't been PM recently?

I'm so annoyed at myself for typing later instead of latter.