Current Events > Mitt Romney admits TikTok ban is intended to control narratives about Israel etc

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Doe
05/06/24 12:22:04 AM
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Excerpt starts at 19:22 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92PzA6eEyM
Transcript: https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-mccain-institutes-2024-sedona-forum-keynote-conversation-with-senator-mitt-romney/
SENATOR ROMNEY: Why has the PR been so awful? I know thats not your area of expertise, but you have to have some thoughts on that, which is, I mean, as youve said, why has Hamas disappeared in terms of public perception? An offer is on the table to have a ceasefire, and yet the world is screaming about Israel. Its like, why are they not screaming about Hamas? Accept the ceasefire and bring home the hostages. Instead, its all the other way around. I mean, typically the Israelis are good at PR. Whats happened here? How have they how have they/ and we/ been so ineffective at communicating the realities there and our point of view?

SECRETARY BLINKEN: Look, I mean, there are two things. One is that, look, there is an inescapable reality, and that is the inescapable reality of people who have and continue to suffer grievously in Gaza. And thats real and we have to have to be focused on that and attentive to that.

At the same time, how this narrative has evolved, yeah, its a great question. I dont have a good answer to that. One can speculate about what some of the causes might be. I dont know. I can tell you this and we were talking about this a little bit over dinner with Cindy. I think in my time in Washington, which is a little bit over 30 years, the single biggest change has been in the information environment. And when I started out in the early 1990s, everyone did the same thing. You woke up in the morning, you opened the door of your apartment or your house, you picked up a hard copy of The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal. And then if you had a television in your office, you turned it on at 6:30 or 7 oclock and watched the national network news.

Now, of course, we are on an intravenous feed of information with new impulses, inputs every millisecond. And of course, the way this has played out on social media has dominated the narrative. And you have a social media ecosystem environment in which context, history, facts get lost, and the emotion, the impact of images dominates. And we cant we cant discount that, but I think it also has a very, very, very challenging effect on the narrative.

SENATOR ROMNEY: A small parenthetical point, which is some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, its overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts. So Id note thats of real interest, and the President will get the chance to make action in that regard.
Of course, this dialogue itself is a piece of propaganda since Netanyahu just admitted he refuses not to invade Rafah regardless of any hostage deal: https://www.npr.org/2024/04/30/1248276817/israel-invade-gaza-rafah-hostage-deal-netanyahu

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_____Cait
05/06/24 12:22:40 AM
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So why dont they also ban facebook or reddit or twitter or youtube

i still think its because they want that sweet sweet personal info to sell back to china

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Doe
05/06/24 12:23:36 AM
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_____Cait posted...
So why dont they also ban facebook or reddit or twitter or youtube

If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, its overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts

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CADE_FOSTER
05/06/24 12:28:47 AM
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They cant control Tiktok they can ask the others to be pro Israel no matter what
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cjsdowg
05/06/24 12:32:08 AM
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_____Cait posted...
So why dont they also ban facebook or reddit or twitter or youtube

Because Twitter is literally controlled by a child minded racist.

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_____Cait
05/06/24 12:34:28 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Because Twitter is literally controlled by a child minded racist.

so it would be easy to manipulate those people.

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ooger
05/06/24 12:46:26 AM
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Ritt Momney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyVfkr6nsrk

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ForsakenHermit
05/06/24 1:03:17 AM
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They've been talking about banning tiktok for much longer than the war in Gaza has been going on.

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Zikten
05/06/24 1:11:28 AM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
They've been talking about banning tiktok for much longer than the war in Gaza has been going on.
Didn't it start when tik tokkers trolled Trump by signing up for seats at a rally and then not coming. So that he had a bunch of empty chairs on live tv
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ironman2009
05/06/24 1:12:33 AM
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Zikten posted...
Didn't it start when tik tokkers trolled Trump by signing up for seats at a rally and then not coming. So that he had a bunch of empty chairs on live tv

lol really? i've never heard of that, but that's great.

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Snip-N-Snails
05/06/24 6:44:59 AM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
They've been talking about banning tiktok for much longer than the war in Gaza has been going on.
Republicans but not Democrats, at least not nearly as much.

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DuuuDe14
05/06/24 6:49:11 AM
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https://youtu.be/bxch-yi14BE?si=kU1aFbKRK1CrVcg3

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DnDer
05/06/24 7:04:15 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Because Twitter is literally controlled by a child minded racist.

Not just a chid-minded racist, but a nazi ally who said he was going to re-platform Trump's Thanksgiving nazi Nick Fuentes to the platform.

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mustachedmystic
05/06/24 7:18:22 AM
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Doesnt the idea of banning Tic-Tok predate the Oct. 7 attack?

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cjsdowg
05/06/24 7:32:10 AM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Doesnt the idea of banning Tic-Tok predate the Oct. 7 attack?
Republicans were all for it now dems are pushing for it.

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Irony
05/06/24 7:40:55 AM
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_____Cait posted...
So why dont they also ban facebook or reddit or twitter or youtube

i still think its because they want that sweet sweet personal info to sell back to china
Because TikTok is mostly zoomers who tend to be again Israel. Twitter and Facebook are rightwings mostly. No one gives a fuck about Reddit because it's the smallest demographic by far

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Cheater87
05/06/24 7:48:37 AM
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Everyone knew this was what it was all about.

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Prismsblade
05/06/24 8:20:58 AM
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_____Cait posted...
So why dont they also ban facebook or reddit or twitter or youtube

i still think its because they want that sweet sweet personal info to sell back to china
Its a lot smaller and doesn't seem to be anti Israel or at least as much as tik tok. Which is all the government cares about frankly. Something Im surprised people havent started to catch onto yet.

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darkace77450
05/06/24 8:28:32 AM
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Look, I mean, there are two things. One is that, look, there is an inescapable reality, and that is the inescapable reality of people who have and continue to suffer grievously in Gaza. And thats real and we have to have to be focused on that and attentive to that.

It took seven months, but Blinken's finally starting to get it.

At the same time, how this narrative has evolved, yeah, its a great question. I dont have a good answer to that. One can speculate about what some of the causes might be.

Or maybe not.
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WingsOfGood
05/06/24 9:10:20 AM
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_____Cait posted...
So why dont they also ban facebook or reddit or twitter or youtube

i still think its because they want that sweet sweet personal info to sell back to china

Facebook radicalizes boomers into conservative camp.
Reddit not sure as it has varying info.
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LightHawKnight
05/06/24 9:15:07 AM
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Its not even an immediate ban right?

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Bat178
05/06/24 9:19:08 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Its not even an immediate ban right?
Yeah, Tiktok have 9 to 12 months to sell to a US buyer before it goes into effect.

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ooger
05/06/24 9:22:18 AM
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At the moment, Bytedance has said they won't sell.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c289n8m4j19o.amp

If they change their minds, I'm betting Oracle will try to buy them since Oracle currently hosts TikTok's data in the US.

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TheFuzz3451
05/06/24 9:41:55 AM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
They've been talking about banning tiktok for much longer than the war in Gaza has been going on.

It's not the ultimate cause for the ban but I do think all of the footage of the horrors inflicted on Gaza was a factor that renewed interest among Congress. So it might have been enough to get it over the hurdle, so to speak.

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WingsOfGood
05/06/24 9:47:09 AM
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TheFuzz3451 posted...
It's not the ultimate cause for the ban but I do think all of the footage of the horrors inflicted on Gaza was a factor that renewed interest among Congress. So it might have been enough to get it over the hurdle, so to speak.

All the republicans wanted to ban it since Trump's term. They are the party of "those darn kids!" anyways.

Probably this whole mess helped convince democrats and Biden to side with it.
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ScazarMeltex
05/06/24 9:50:15 AM
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It's no different than the constant footage of the Vietnam war turning proving to the people that the government was full of shit about how the war was going.

In the last 30 years the rise in independent journalism has shown exactly what the Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians. It's hard to have good PR when you are proven over and over to be fucking lying.

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-ZIO-
05/06/24 9:51:43 AM
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Who's the politician who basically came right out and said what the whole banning of tik tok was about? The one who said that this isn't about left or right, it's a generational thing of young vs old and they're losing the eyes of the youth. The can't effectively propagandize the youth.

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Aloc
05/06/24 10:56:35 AM
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-ZIO- posted...
Who's the politician who basically came right out and said what the whole banning of tik tok was about? The one who said that this isn't about left or right, it's a generational thing of young vs old and they're losing the eyes of the youth. The can't effectively propagandize the youth.
That was Greenblatt. He's not a politician.


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ClayGuida
05/06/24 11:05:07 AM
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"They're stealing our data"
"2016 and Cambridge Analytica exists"
"Well, you're not allowed to be pro Palestine"
"What about the data talking point?"
"Shut up, you're Hamas!"

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superbot400
05/06/24 11:08:26 AM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Doesnt the idea of banning Tic-Tok predate the Oct. 7 attack?
Yes.
People forgot that USA ban Huewei, ZTE devices in the USA in the Trump years.

There are strong precident to do the same with TikTok.

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Doe
05/06/24 11:50:27 AM
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IDK why a couple people are acting like the topic title isn't true when the quotation from Romney from state.gov is bolded in the OP. The government can and often does have multiple reasons it wants to ban something. What is true is that before 10/7 there was not sufficient will to get a TikTok ban actually passed and now they successfully did it.

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LightHawKnight
05/06/24 11:56:11 AM
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Doe posted...
IDK why a couple people are acting like the topic title isn't true when the quotation from Romney from state.gov is bolded in the OP. The government can and often does have multiple reasons it wants to ban something. What is true is that before 10/7 there was not sufficient will to get a TikTok ban actually passed and now they successfully did it.

Still confused on how it can control the narratives about Israel when the ban doesnt actually ban TikTok right at this moment, but forces them to sell to a US company and they have over 9 months to do it.

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bobbycorwin
05/06/24 12:06:10 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Still confused on how it can control the narratives about Israel when the ban doesnt actually ban TikTok right at this moment, but forces them to sell to a US company and they have over 9 months to do it.

Ever since the GOP had Viktor Orbon of Turkey speak at CPAC about how he took over the media there, Ive been looking for ways in which conservatives would try that here. Since then, Twitter got bought by a right winger and signal boosted right wing accounts while banning accounts he doesnt like.

The Tik Tok ban would be another step of this, and of course they get to use the Israel conflict as a pretense for it. So that would explain your point of how would this help Israel if then ban doesnt go into affect until next year, but it would line up nicely with the result if the 2024 election.

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cjsdowg
05/06/24 12:06:31 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Still confused on how it can control the narratives about Israel when the ban doesnt actually ban TikTok right at this moment, but forces them to sell to a US company and they have over 9 months to do it.

A company that would do what thenus wants them to do. And if was about data protection they would have gone after all of them.

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Gwynevere
05/06/24 12:35:13 PM
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Anyone who truly believes the Tiktok ban was about national security probably routinely clicks phishing links

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whitelytning
05/06/24 12:38:41 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
Doesnt the idea of banning Tic-Tok predate the Oct. 7 attack?

Yes.

The title of this thread is a mischaracterization too. None of it makes sense. Twisting reality to fit a chosen narrative.

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Doe
05/06/24 12:50:38 PM
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whitelytning posted...
The title of this thread is a mischaracterization too. None of it makes sense. Twisting reality to fit a chosen narrative.
Dog how can you post like this when the text, source and video are all there in the OP

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Aloc
05/07/24 4:26:31 AM
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Doe posted...
Dog how can you post like this when the text, source and video are all there in the OP
Lol

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ForsakenHermit
05/07/24 4:29:50 AM
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bobbycorwin posted...
Ever since the GOP had Viktor Orbon of Turkey speak at CPAC about how he took over the media there, Ive been looking for ways in which conservatives would try that here. Since then, Twitter got bought by a right winger and signal boosted right wing accounts while banning accounts he doesnt like.

The Tik Tok ban would be another step of this, and of course they get to use the Israel conflict as a pretense for it. So that would explain your point of how would this help Israel if then ban doesnt go into affect until next year, but it would line up nicely with the result if the 2024 election.
Orban's Hungarian not Turkish.

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Hornezz
05/07/24 4:32:06 AM
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Romney wasn't the first to make this point

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1782920301052911713

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Cynrascal
05/07/24 6:13:18 AM
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Oh look! Republicans saying the quiet part loud again.

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05/07/24 7:30:55 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Still confused on how it can control the narratives about Israel when the ban doesnt actually ban TikTok right at this moment, but forces them to sell to a US company and they have over 9 months to do it.
It originally was going to be a lot sooner, before the elections (one of their most common stated reasons was that they "didn't want foreign agents to influence the election") but was repeatedly pushed back. At this point they've already went far enough they just want it to go through.

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bobbycorwin
05/07/24 9:30:45 AM
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ForsakenHermit posted...
Orban's Hungarian not Turkish.

Thanks, somehow got those wires crossed in my head.

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darkace77450
05/07/24 10:15:30 AM
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Hornezz posted...
Romney wasn't the first to make this point

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1782920301052911713


undermining our democratic values. Now if youll join me in voting to ban TikTok, we can quash this freedom of speech thing for young Americans who arent falling in line.
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divot1338
05/07/24 10:39:21 AM
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That was the entire point that through TikTok China possessed and had used the capability to push whatever propaganda it felt was most divisive.

Coincidentally Russia has done the same thing only through more nefarious methods.

The point though is if this were a legitimate situation where this was just a company and the Chinese government had no stake then they would divest and spin it off to satisfy their investors and get a nice payday.

But they wont.

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ClayGuida
05/07/24 10:43:44 AM
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The tik tok ban started when trump got embarrassed at his juneteenth Tulsa rally. Before then, not a peep from anyone about banning tiktok. Soon after, trump signed an executive order banning it, that amounted to nothing and republicans have tried everything to do so. After October 7th, democrats joined the fight to ban it.

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ScazarMeltex
05/07/24 10:47:39 AM
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This is also the same reason Musk bought Twitter. Too much free flow of information to people during the George Floyd BLM protests. Watching the cops lose their minds and cause the violence everywhere they showed up turned a ton of people permanently to the ACAB camp.

As opposed to the mainstream legacy media accounts that left all the shit the cops out.

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crayola555
05/07/24 11:01:56 AM
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Nooo, tikTok needs to be banned cause China!!! They be collecting data about my new twerk dancing and sending them back to ccp, cause you know......chinese people really care about my new twerking dances...

That is a national security risk, the GOP said that so it must be true...

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