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A game, movie, TV show, book, or any other form of media being different than what came before or after it in the series (or by comparison to a similar form of the same media) does not necessarily make the different version "bad" outright. The quality of things should be based on its own merit rather than how good something else is; this applies to sequels, reboots, adaptations, new seasons, and spiritual successors equally.

In short, don't grade everything on a curve when you don't have to.

This message brought to you by a man who likes a lot of games/movies that people call "bad" undeservingly and is getting exhausted of defending these things. :(

It depends entirely on the purpose of the remake. Often remakes will pander to those who came before in marketing and such, but the final product will be shitty comparative to what people would have wanted.

But I like comparing things

Also is this about FF7?

fallout 4 is not good

Heres a truth you may not have realized yet. You dont have to defend anything. Its okay if you like something that other people dont.

Damn I wasn't ready for this

If a series clearly drops older fans to chase new ones then yeah, I'd say there's fair criticism to be made. Hate when an artist chases trends rather than staying true to their style, like Shakira and Coldplay did for example. I'd say one as a fan isn't entitled to the work constantly appealing to them, but we also don't have to show up and support every little thing they do either.

Pokemon arguably keeps dropping in quality every release yet they have no incentive to improve since fans keep defending and purchasing every entry. What do you do then?

Conceptually, I despise that the Fallout show even exists, especially that Todd is credited for creating the series. But taken on its own merits, the show is fine.

Different rules apply for adaptations and remakes.

If it's an adaptation, it should still be reasonably similar to the source. Some things work better in one medium than another, so it's never going to be exact. And a little creative license here and there can be welcome.

If it's a remake it SHOULD be different. Because honestly, I don't give a damn about the resolution or textures after the first ten minutes and I'm just playing the same game again.

TMOG posted...

The quality of things should be based on its own merit rather than how good something else is; this applies to sequels, reboots, adaptations, new seasons, and spiritual successors equally.

In short, don't grade everything on a curve when you don't have to.

You wildly diverge in your argument between these two statements. Grading something on its own is in fact grading it on a curve. You are just suggesting that different things be held into account.

Both statements are also incredibly naive and not actually realistic. We grade everything on a curve; that curve being based on our experiences and a sequel, a reboot, adaptation, new season, or spiritual successors are no exception.

Moreover, you seemingly do not hold into account that producers of such things often - whether subconsciously or as an outright business decision - want you to take into account prior works. Hell, such properties often only exist because of a company's desire to exploit that love and/or because of a creator wanting to replicate it. But for some reason it is your contention we should ignore this reality? Or we should only take it into account when the connection is positive? Why?

Properties should absolutely be judged by themselves at first, but then they should be compared to their competition. For example, the Hobbit series can be examined as a trilogy and then compared to other fantasy trilogies. It has a direct connection to the Lord of the Rings - even blatantly nostalgia baiting outside of the story connections - so a comparison between the two is inevitable. Hell, it is only a trilogy because they wanted to replicate the Lord of the Rings

Why should a trilogy, that sits on the back and takes so much from a giant not face a negative reaction when even that advantage is not enough to make it a quality series?

TheShadowViper posted...

Grading something on its own is in fact grading it on a curve.

I don't think you know what "grading on a curve" means.

TMOG posted...

I don't think you know what "grading on a curve" means.

I don't think you actually understand what I mean or what that actually does.

We are discussing an objective grading of a property and you are suggesting not grading on a curve when that is not actually possible since we all have grading curves through varying experiences.

You are seemingly not understanding that a single entity grading for a single class curve cannot be replicated because the criteria is wildly different. My post goes on to explain why your entire argument is dumb. But I will let you read it again.

Like I always say, when it comes to movies, it's a "Remake", not a "Replacement".

The original will still exist.