Current Events > We've done so much but we still can't bring the dead back to life

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We have the vast infinity of knowledge available in our pockets but once life is gone, you can never get it back

Probably for the best.

Some theories think that we all get reincarnated each time the universe ends and then reboots. The theory is the universe is in an endless cycle of death and rebirth, but each time it returns, the entire history of the universe plays out the exact same way, every single time. Meaning you will exist again some day. But you won't do anything different than you are right now. Amd you won't know you are repeating a life you have maybe lived trillions of times

Part of that has to do with moving the goal posts on what death is.

well not exactly that but it does suggest that universes will spontaneously create themselves endlessly, given the infinite nature of time as far as we can tell.

like eventually all the protons decay, and the black holes decay, and there is nothing but heat in the universe, no light at all no real energy.

given a bazillion gazillion more years of that, statistically, the universe will start again.

anyway id question if that would really be the case, even if the math is solid on paper

there's a bunch of movies about this being a bad idea

Robot2600 posted...

well not exactly that but it does suggest that universes will spontaneously create themselves endlessly, given the infinite nature of time as far as we can tell.

like eventually all the protons decay, and the black holes decay, and there is nothing but heat in the universe, no light at all no real energy.

given a bazillion gazillion more years of that, statistically, the universe will start again.

anyway id question if that would really be the case, even if the math is solid on paper

Really with how many hypotheses out there regarding cosmology/cosmogny (or however you spell the word for origins of the universe) I really don't think we're anywhere close to determining which one (if any) are true.

also it's obvious that our immortality depends on uploading your brain into a computer in some capacity.

maybe you've already done that and your life is just a simulation to train your ai consciousness to not be a total douchebag.

no im only speaking about peer-reviewed physics and math, not astrology or anything else.

No, let me complete level 1 so I can see if level 2 is as bad or worse than level 1.

it's kinda dense but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IihcNa9YAPk

Zikten posted...

Some theories think that we all get reincarnated each time the universe ends and then reboots. The theory is the universe is in an endless cycle of death and rebirth, but each time it returns, the entire history of the universe plays out the exact same way, every single time. Meaning you will exist again some day. But you won't do anything different than you are right now. Amd you won't know you are repeating a life you have maybe lived trillions of times

I'd be fine with this.

https://youtu.be/dKqLhzHSARI?si=X3jSUW6VO9hru2qo

Zikten posted...

Some theories think that we all get reincarnated each time the universe ends and then reboots. The theory is the universe is in an endless cycle of death and rebirth, but each time it returns, the entire history of the universe plays out the exact same way, every single time. Meaning you will exist again some day. But you won't do anything different than you are right now. Amd you won't know you are repeating a life you have maybe lived trillions of times

My theory is basically the same.

When you die your consciousness returns back to when you were born, you have no memories but you live the same cycle over and over again. So if you were born in say 1980 and died in 2040, for you, everything would reset back to 1980.

Deja vu is basically past memories that kinda bleed through the process.

A never ending cycle, a torturous existence.

TheHoldSteady posted...

We have the vast infinity of knowledge available in our pockets but once life is gone, you can never get it back

Twisted evil sorcerers at Yale are working on that

https://www.wired.com/story/the-pigs-died-then-scientists-revived-their-cells/

If we could bring the dead back to life, we'd be stuck being ruled over by the same rich old men for eternity.

Zikten posted...

Some theories think that we all get reincarnated each time the universe ends and then reboots. The theory is the universe is in an endless cycle of death and rebirth, but each time it returns, the entire history of the universe plays out the exact same way, every single time. Meaning you will exist again some day. But you won't do anything different than you are right now. Amd you won't know you are repeating a life you have maybe lived trillions of times

Huh, sounds like that episode of Futurama with a one-way time machine. I always thought it was a crappy deus ex machina because they couldn't think of a better way to bring them back to the present.

that's fine let's go with our gut instinct and not listen to the professor of physics that studies black holes for a living (the guy in the video, not me)

Strider102 posted...

My theory is basically the same.

When you die your consciousness returns back to when you were born, you have no memories but you live the same cycle over and over again. So if you were born in say 1980 and died in 2040, for you, everything would reset back to 1980.

Deja vu is basically past memories that kinda bleed through the process.

A never ending cycle, a torturous existence.

Except Deja vu has been explained for decades.

thronedfire2 posted...

there's a bunch of movies about this being a bad idea

Sometimes...dead is better.

Strider102 posted...

A never ending cycle, a torturous existence.

What exactly makes this torturous? do you currently dislike your life so much you'd call it "torture"?

TheHoldSteady posted...

We have the vast infinity of knowledge available in our pockets

no we don't

kirbymuncher posted...

What exactly makes this torturous? do you currently dislike your life so much you'd call it "torture"?

Having to relive your life with no hope of it turning out differently is pretty damn torturous.

ForsakenHermit posted...

damn torturous.

we're all living in our personal hell

ForsakenHermit posted...

Having to relive your life with no hope of it turning out differently is pretty damn torturous.

Yeah, but he said you don't remember any of it. Which means it could be happening right now, already. So unless you consider your life currently to be torture then I don't think you can describe it that way

kirbymuncher posted...

Yeah, but he said you don't remember any of it. Which means it could be happening right now, already. So unless you consider your life currently to be torture then I don't think you can describe it that way

It's more the principle of it than anything. Just being a puppet to a force of fatalism is horrifying.

Strider102 posted...

My theory is basically the same.

When you die your consciousness returns back to when you were born, you have no memories but you live the same cycle over and over again. So if you were born in say 1980 and died in 2040, for you, everything would reset back to 1980.

Deja vu is basically past memories that kinda bleed through the process.

A never ending cycle, a torturous existence.

I could never find this on t'internet but I remember reading something where someone died, went to Heaven, and was told "yep, you're going back as a farmer from the 1400s".

The idea was that time is timeless and all humans share a soul.

I'm not religious but I did think this was quite an interesting take on it. Maybe someone here knows what I'm chuffing about.

ForsakenHermit posted...

It's more the principle of it than anything. Just being a puppet to a force of fatalism is horrifying.

Is it worse than never existing?

Pikachuchupika posted...

Is it worse than never existing?

No

Doesn't make it great or ideal.

Zikten posted...

Some theories think that we all get reincarnated each time the universe ends and then reboots. The theory is the universe is in an endless cycle of death and rebirth, but each time it returns, the entire history of the universe plays out the exact same way, every single time. Meaning you will exist again some day. But you won't do anything different than you are right now. Amd you won't know you are repeating a life you have maybe lived trillions of times

That's not true. Each new universe is actually five feet lower and a couple feet to the right of the previous one.

It makes sense that we cannot bring the dead back to life.. because your body isnt one single entity. Rather; we are comprised of thousands of microbes, bacteria, and other micro-organisms.

Without the whole keeping the others in check as soon as you die it all goes out of balance and begins to biodegrade and decompose.

The only way to overcome this is to make it easier.. become one single organism. A being able to convert any matter into energy without the need for microbes.. a being able to save and restore memory in a logical matter.. a being able to replace moving parts more-easily without spraying blood everywhere and having to rewire together a mass of nerve endings and sinew.

A sentient machine.