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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 8:37:20 AM
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Why not just put "History" on the aisle instead of a number that you have to look around and find the poster to decode?

Oh right, you're supposed to memorize the codes. But...

Why not just put "History" on the aisle instead

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LonelyStoner
05/10/24 8:39:34 AM
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It was made before computers were popular and you didnt memorize the codes. You just went to the card catalog in the library and searched for whatever you wanted to read.

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McMarbles
05/10/24 8:42:31 AM
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Whos Dewey?

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 8:45:53 AM
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McMarbles posted...
Whos Dewey?
Some jackass trying to make things more complicated than they should be.

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Tyranthraxus
05/10/24 8:45:59 AM
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Most people probably never needed to bother with it but there were some absolutely massive libraries and just putting "History" on an aisle would be about as helpful as putting up a sign that said "Abraham Lincoln's biography is in here somewhere"

These days you can basically just search libraries by ISBN which is even more obtuse than Dewey Decimal but the computer does all the heavy lifting for you.

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amgoamgo
05/10/24 8:47:38 AM
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Dont you know the Dewey Decimal System!?
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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 8:49:47 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Most people probably never needed to bother with it but there were some absolutely massive libraries and just putting "History" on an aisle would be about as helpful as putting up a sign that said "Abraham Lincoln's biography is in here somewhere"

These days you can basically just search libraries by ISBN which is even more obtuse than Dewey Decimal but the computer does all the heavy lifting for you.
It's a shame there's no such thing as putting smaller signs below the big one that says history.

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Mearcstapa
05/10/24 8:58:14 AM
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McMarbles posted...
Whos Dewey?

Having fun isn't hard...

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05/10/24 9:02:41 AM
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It worked. Especially when you needed something specific and didnt want to look around a whole history section for one book

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xMythic
05/10/24 9:15:38 AM
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The Dewey Decimal System...what a scam that was!

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rodu_jr
05/10/24 9:17:49 AM
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amgoamgo posted...
Dont you know the Dewey Decimal System!?
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tankboy
05/10/24 9:18:03 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
It's a shame there's no such thing as putting smaller signs below the big one that says history.

Right, so each Dewey Decimal classification could be a sign. But the list of signs is about 4000 pages long ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/1556532717 ) . Maybe it would be more compact to just use a short number that we could fit on the spine of each book? Then you could simply look up the number by the subject you are interested in (in some sort of catalog of cards?).
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GranQroppoop
05/10/24 9:18:47 AM
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"Dewey, you fool! Your decimal system has played right into my hands"

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Tyranthraxus
05/10/24 9:19:05 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
It's a shame there's no such thing as putting smaller signs below the big one that says history.

So like just stick hundreds of signs everywhere? That's your solution?

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R1masher
05/10/24 9:19:34 AM
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amgoamgo posted...
Dont you know the Dewey Decimal System!?
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wrong kid died?

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Golden_Key33
05/10/24 9:21:03 AM
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I'm a librarian, and even a lot of us are saying it's an antiquated system. Lots of potential alternatives, but there are older librarians and even members of the public who cling to it.

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Rotterdammerung
05/10/24 9:22:12 AM
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LonelyStoner posted...
It was made before computers were popular and you didnt memorize the codes. You just went to the card catalog in the library and searched for whatever you wanted to read.


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Cemith
05/10/24 9:26:03 AM
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Life is about three things:

  • Gettin' money!
  • Gettin' p***y
  • And the DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM

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DipDipDiver
05/10/24 9:30:59 AM
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Anything I don't understand is dumb!

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voldothegr8
05/10/24 9:35:47 AM
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Is this topic serious?

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 10:15:40 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
So like just stick hundreds of signs everywhere? That's your solution?
In a four story tall library that takes up a whole city block? Absolutely. There should probably be even more than that.

In a one story library that you can't get lost in? Probably just like one subheader. Which I think probably still does come to a hundred or more.

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Thermador446
05/10/24 10:17:24 AM
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Decimals are math, wtf does that have to do with reading?

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Robot2600
05/10/24 10:18:58 AM
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Dewey is actually a brilliant mind and over 100 years ahead of the time when thinking about education and learning.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 10:19:52 AM
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Robot2600 posted...
Dewey is actually a brilliant mind and over 100 years ahead of the time when thinking about education and learning.
I guess it just goes to show even smart people can come up with dumb ideas.

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firedoom666
05/10/24 10:21:17 AM
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Well if you want the history section then you go to the 900s in the Dewey Decimal system... it's not that hard

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NoMeLx22x
05/10/24 10:21:30 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Is this topic serious?

It can't be, because if so, it's really really dumb.

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Robot2600
05/10/24 10:22:21 AM
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also, history of what? how you gonna find your books?

o just alphabetical by country name? so is America under A or U? China under China or People's Republic? Japan under J or N? You're just gonna throw the French history books in the same section? Are the American history books written in French filed under E? What about Persia? are those under I or P?

should the history of can manufacturing be next to the world history books?

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Giant_Aspirin
05/10/24 10:22:58 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
It can't be, because if so, it's really really dumb.

i can't quite figure out if TC is serious or trying to be funny with how many normal things make him irrationally upset

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nocturnal_traveler
05/10/24 10:24:28 AM
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I came from another Mandela Effect universe where it was called the Dewey decibel system.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 10:25:04 AM
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Robot2600 posted...
also, history of what? how you gonna find your books?

o just alphabetical by country name? so is America under A or U? China under China or People's Republic? Japan under J or N? You're just gonna throw the French history books in the same section? Are the American history books written in French filed under E? What about Persia? are those under I or P?

should the history of can manufacturing be next to the world history books?
Gracious.

They should put all the people who can't figure out putting smaller signs below the big sign in their own library, with an archaic numerical indexing system so anybody who wants to find them has to jump through hoops to do it.

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Robot2600
05/10/24 10:28:16 AM
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we're done ehre

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NoMeLx22x
05/10/24 10:30:52 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Gracious.

They should put all the people who can't figure out putting smaller signs below the big sign in their own library, with an archaic numerical indexing system so anybody who wants to find them has to jump through hoops to do it.

Ok, so one last post to figure out how serious you are.

When I go to the "American History" section that is marked with one sign.. do you know how long it's going to take me to find the one book I want to read? Like there's hundred and hundreds and hundreds (if not thousands) of "American History" books. Do you know how many fucking signs you'd have to put up to make it easier to find the specific book I'm looking for than just finding what the code would be and easily finding it?

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 10:32:45 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
Ok, so one last post to figure out how serious you are.

When I go to the "American History" section that is marked with one sign.. do you know how long it's going to take me to find the one book I want to read? Like there's hundred and hundreds and hundreds (if not thousands) of "American History" books. Do you know how many fucking signs you'd have to put up to make it easier to find the specific book I'm looking for than just finding what the code would be and easily finding it?
I mean, somebody is putting those dumb stickers on the spine. There's no way putting up "fucking signs" is more tedious.

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NoMeLx22x
05/10/24 10:34:50 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
I mean, somebody is putting those dumb stickers on the spine. There's no way putting up "fucking signs" is more tedious.

Ok, so you don't have an answer.

Cool.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 10:37:58 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
Ok, so you don't have an answer.

Cool.
Sebody above said more than 4000.

You think there are fewer books than that to put stickers on?

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Tyranthraxus
05/10/24 10:38:44 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Sebody above said more than 4000.

You think there are fewer books than that to put stickers on?

Over 4000 pages

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 10:43:04 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Over 4000 pages
Ah, I see I misread.

But you really wouldn't have to put that many up. Once you get to a couple dozen books per division, that would be good enough.

You know, why are we making this equivalence anyway? I said it was a dumb idea to begin with. There would be no DD system to put up signs in exact recreation of anyway. It would just be the history section, then the American history section, then the civil war section, etc until you've narrowed it down to like five feet of shelf a piece or whatever granularity your library wants to do.

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Tyranthraxus
05/10/24 10:47:41 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Ah, I see I misread.

But you really wouldn't have to put that many up. Once you get to a couple dozen books per division, that would be good enough.

You know, why are we making this equivalence anyway? I said it was a dumb idea to begin with. There would be no DD system to put up signs in exact recreation of anyway. It would just be the history section, then the American history section, then the civil war section, etc until you've narrowed it down to like five feet of shelf a piece or whatever granularity your library wants to do.

What if we made it like super granular? Like what if the signs were so small that you can nail them right onto the book? Well ok you can't nail books we'd have to use something else to affix the sign like some kind of adhesive. And the signs might be too hard to read so we can just index them all in an easier to read catalogue of every history book that we can put right outside the aisle with the sign that says history.

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Mistere_Man
05/10/24 10:49:28 AM
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amgoamgo posted...
Dont you know the Dewey Decimal System!?
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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 10:52:05 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
What if we made it like super granular? Like what if the signs were so small that you can nail them right onto the book? Well ok you can't nail books we'd have to use something else to affix the sign like some kind of adhesive. And the signs might be too hard to read so we can just index them all in an easier to read catalogue of every history book that we can put right outside the aisle with the sign that says history.
Sounds dumb. I'd rather just follow the signs than have to look stuff up in a book. What if someone else is using the book? What if there's a line, even? Why would you want signs that are hard to read?

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Tyranthraxus
05/10/24 10:53:58 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Sounds dumb. I'd rather just follow the signs than have to look stuff up in a book. What if someone else is using the book? What if there's a line, even? Why would you want signs that are hard to read?

I feel like it's extremely important to know for certain that the book you're looking for isn't there immediately rather than spend hours inspecting the history aisle to come to the same conclusion.

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Giant_Aspirin
05/10/24 10:54:10 AM
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"dude, i spent like ten whole minutes thinking about this and i am really smart. i think i know more than hundreds of librarians who spent years studying how to catalog and classify materials"

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Irony
05/10/24 10:54:44 AM
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Dewey you fool, your decimal system has played right into our hands!

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Heineken14
05/10/24 10:55:01 AM
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Why is it the people who know the least know it the loudest.

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Murphiroth
05/10/24 10:56:28 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
"dude, i spent like ten whole minutes thinking about this and i am really smart. i think i know more than hundreds of librarians who spent years studying how to catalog and classify materials"

This.

TC has a weird gimmick.
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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 11:03:21 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I feel like it's extremely important to know for certain that the book you're looking for isn't there immediately rather than spend hours inspecting the history aisle to come to the same conclusion.
And we're back to assuming the only word in the library is "history."

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/10/24 11:05:21 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
"dude, i spent like ten whole minutes thinking about this and i am really smart. i think i know more than hundreds of librarians who spent years studying how to catalog and classify materials"
Were they all named Dewey? Or did they mostly assume "other smart people like it so it must be good", y'know, like the argument you're proposing.

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Tyranthraxus
05/10/24 11:05:41 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
And we're back to assuming the only word in the library is "history."

Well I tried going to the math section but apparently it was stupid so they removed it

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