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pyresword
05/14/24 9:19:40 PM
#51:


Break Effect might be better to build now, but you don't need it on your DPS to make Harmony MC usable. You still get modest damage boost out of your DPS either way, and I'd argue the main value to begin with is the larger damage boosts you get out of your other non-DPS characters.

I mean I wouldn't stick them in a double CRIT-DPS team for this reason, but yeah.

Worth mentioning you get lots of passive boosts to break effect for your whole team anyways when you run Harmony MC. (30% from technique, 33% from ult, 30% from Watchmaker relic set, and 15% of TB's Break Effect for everybody else via their E4)

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pyresword
05/14/24 9:23:54 PM
#52:


I guess it also depends what DPS we're talking about. If it's like an S-tier CRIT DPS then you're still getting huge damage boosts out of your CRIT stats anyways and it's probably best from an efficiency standpoint to just build that way. (I'm not sure what would be optimal in this case assuming infinite resources to build as many relic sets as you want)

If we're talking about like Himeko or something though whose damage output is modest to begin with, then sure go crazy with the Break Effect.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/14/24 9:25:57 PM
#53:


Oh HMC is definitely good in general (it's funny they add easy path swapping at the same time they add the objectively best version by a huge margin lol), but if it's not a BE Team then there's just usually better limited 5* options.

However, not everyone is gonna be pulling for/have all those other supports!


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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/24 12:04:34 AM
#54:


Himeko still wants to do crit things and not just shed it wholly, like so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXXwm0IzyFw

But yes Break is a good way to pad damage numbers. Don't treat it as a replacement for your normal actions, treat is a parallel damage boost that you can benefit from partially

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UshiromiyaEva
05/15/24 12:14:43 AM
#55:


I think a good way to look at it for Himeko is that Break is way easier to build than Crit, so if you don't have her Crit pieces ready yet then Break is a good placeholder. This is true for just about any old Fire and Physical DPS.

Prior to 2.0 the only character I actively focus Break on above anything else is Guinaifen, since fire break is good and fire DoT sucks (this is not the case for Luka since he has entirely different scaling and still wants mostly attack)

At least that's my understanding lol.

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swordz9
05/15/24 1:14:29 PM
#56:


I think I can S5 Trend of the Universal Market, but I dunno who would even get it. March has Moment of Victory on at the moment and Fire Stelle I dont use anymore is the only other Preservation I have
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/15/24 1:35:19 PM
#57:


Fire MC uses it well but also...why use Fire MC? It's really only worth running on Gepard or Aventurine if you are using specifically Kafka, Acheron, or Ratio, if none of that applies then just ignore it

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swordz9
05/15/24 1:47:56 PM
#58:


Guess it will have to wait for a future character then
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/24 1:53:04 PM
#59:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I think a good way to look at it for Himeko is that Break is way easier to build than Crit, so if you don't have her Crit pieces ready yet then Break is a good placeholder. This is true for just about any old Fire and Physical DPS.

Prior to 2.0 the only character I actively focus Break on above anything else is Guinaifen, since fire break is good and fire DoT sucks (this is not the case for Luka since he has entirely different scaling and still wants mostly attack)

At least that's my understanding lol.

Guinaifen still wants ATK, like every other dot char. I don't think Break Guin is a thing at all but could be wrong. Maybe it is now due to her giving vuln uppers to enemies?

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Fire MC uses it well but also...why use Fire MC? It's really only worth running on Gepard or Aventurine if you are using specifically Kafka, Acheron, or Ratio, if none of that applies then just ignore it

It's extremely strong on fire TB specifically because a hard taunt means you generate Acheron stax equal to the number of enemies acting every round of actions without fail. Much stronger than it is for Gepard, even. Only downside is it consumes a lot of SP but you can't have everything. I actually run Acheron with Fire TB to save real supports for my other side and it works quite well.

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/15/24 2:07:06 PM
#60:


I could maybe buy BE Guinafen in single target but the entire reason she isn't trash is that she has AoE! At two enemies she's outdamaging Luka even with lower attack scaling. Luka meanwhile can afford to build BE instead because he prefers to focus one target and Phys Break gets around the scaling limitation from his normal ATK dot.

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BK_Sheikah00
05/15/24 2:29:09 PM
#61:


Skipping Boothill and just building Sushang.

Actually building Gallagher first.

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swordz9
05/15/24 3:44:53 PM
#62:


There something special about Sushang?
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/24 5:18:33 PM
#63:


She takes a lot of actions and has some break effect increases. Otherwise, not really, she's fairly mediocre. The real winner of HMC's existence is Misha, who can dish out 180 raw toughness damage with his ult if you get his E1, meaning he has monumental superbreak damage. It's an easy way to pad his damage which would otherwise take effort to boost.

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swordz9
05/15/24 5:24:28 PM
#64:


I forgot Misha existed. I havent done the latest story part yet, but up to where I am at it feels like he was just there to introduce the Clockie stuff. Wouldnt be surprised if hes secretly the watchmaster or something
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UshiromiyaEva
05/15/24 5:25:21 PM
#65:


I've left him alone, but I wonder if a dedicated Break Misha might be the way to go. Don't see much reason to build Crit Misha when I have Jingliu.

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tcaz2
05/15/24 6:02:19 PM
#66:


I'll probably end up building Misha at some point in the future unless we get another ice DPS I want more before that. Don't have Jingliu and don't really want her much.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/15/24 6:16:34 PM
#67:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I've left him alone, but I wonder if a dedicated Break Misha might be the way to go. Don't see much reason to build Crit Misha when I have Jingliu.

Dedicated break is bad because the scaling is too slow. Crit Misha with HMC splashed onto his teams is very legit though because hatblazer can casually add up to 100% BE just by doing their thing (33% from ult, 30% watchmaker set, and 22.5% just off 150% BE which isn't even an onerous ask in the slightest). It also helps that high-Eidolon Misha has incredible Pela synergy and superbreak likes Pela to begin with. It's not hard to get like 70% defense shred between Pela and Misha, and her Ice Resistance Shred on skill gives you another 12% damage boost to his ult break damage.

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tcaz2
05/15/24 7:00:15 PM
#68:


Though I do think after I finish getting Robin up to the level of the rest of my squad i need to upgrade my relics more to fine tune them. I still can't clear beyond MoC 9 with more than 1 star max.
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BK_Sheikah00
05/15/24 7:41:43 PM
#69:


Oh hey I finally pulled Bronya and I couldn't be more disappointed.

At least this makes the 300 pull choice easy. Gimme Clara.

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Arti
05/16/24 9:37:36 PM
#70:


Playing through 2.2 and I can't believe how much Sunday is actually a Shin Megami Tensei Law hero.

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KanzarisKelshen
05/16/24 10:29:42 PM
#71:


He really really is. The best one I've ever seen, too! Atlus wishes they could make a Law rep as interesting and genuine as him lmao.

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TheManaSword
05/17/24 9:53:27 AM
#72:


Finally went through and finished up the sticker collection. Time to start achievement hunting now I guess.

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swordz9
05/17/24 10:03:37 AM
#73:


The stickers seem like such a chore tbh
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TheManaSword
05/17/24 10:07:05 AM
#74:


They are a bit, but with a guide its not too bad to knock them out. Gotta squeeze every last jade I can out of the game being f2p.

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BK_Sheikah00
05/17/24 10:12:41 AM
#75:


The stickers locked behind Clockwork sidequests are the chore. Most are pretty quick.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/17/24 10:13:01 AM
#76:


I only got enough stickers to get the rewards, doesn't really seem to be any reason to get them all other than an achievement In assume. Already have all the Clockie stuff unlocked.

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TheManaSword
05/17/24 10:26:17 AM
#77:


There are rewards for total number of stickers, it goes up to 210, which is all the ones available currently.

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trdl23
05/17/24 11:31:00 AM
#78:


BK_Sheikah00 posted...
The stickers locked behind Clockwork sidequests are the chore. Most are pretty quick.
Counterpoint: Most of the Clockwork sidequests are good, and some are phenomenal, so do them anyway

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UshiromiyaEva
05/17/24 3:47:35 PM
#79:


It appears Wuthering Waves is release next week, simultaneously on PS5? Not on the PlayStation Store yet, though.

I have a mild interest in this, have been intentionally ignoring any media about it prior to my initial discovery.

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BK_Sheikah00
05/17/24 3:57:58 PM
#80:


Dawntrail says no

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UshiromiyaEva
05/17/24 4:03:02 PM
#81:


Dawntrail is a month and a half away!

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swordz9
05/17/24 4:33:25 PM
#82:


I went back to the Topaz relic area to farm some more. Its just the upcoming planar SU exclusive stuff she wants instead now right? Hard to follow/remember everything. Just trying to make her PEAK Topass
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UshiromiyaEva
05/17/24 4:39:48 PM
#83:


New FU Relic set will be good with Topaz but 9/10 will be as good or slightly worse than the current FU set. Only scenario I can think of where it wouldn't be is some awful situation where Topaz uses a basic attack while her debuff isn't actively up, at which point you've got bigger skill point management problems than your relics.

New Planar is absolutely her BiS though. 24% FUDmg and CDmg after a single Skill use. Will have to build a little more CRate without Solsotto is the only downside.

Edit: Looking again, it's actually attacks not hits. Doesn't change anything really, though, even on her own Topaz will almost certainly max this out by the end of her second turn, faster if she's on a team with other FU characters like she should be.

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swordz9
05/17/24 4:41:15 PM
#84:


Well damn. At least this other set here is still the best for Gui and Kafka right?
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UshiromiyaEva
05/17/24 4:44:07 PM
#85:


swordz9 posted...
Well damn. At least this other set here is still the best for Gui and Kafka right?

To be clear I was saying the current FU set IS good to farm for Topaz, it's just that the new one will be fine too. It's only the Planar where the new one is a huge priority for her and Clara.

And yes, the dot set in the current domain is BiS for every current DoT character.

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swordz9
05/17/24 5:10:43 PM
#86:


Oh oops mistook the planar FU part as a relic somehow. My next while will probably be spent on the story, events, sidequests in Penacony and actually getting relics that are worthwhile onto whoever I want to use for my B team which still lacks any real synergy with my options/characters I like to use
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TheManaSword
05/17/24 5:16:53 PM
#87:


I will try WuWa, but I dont know if Ill stick with it. Im not a fan of the post-apocalyptic setting.

Also I'm not seeing anything about a PS5 release?

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UshiromiyaEva
05/17/24 5:35:25 PM
#88:


TheManaSword posted...
Also I'm not seeing anything about a PS5 release?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps5/447006-wuthering-waves/data

Could be an error?

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TheManaSword
05/17/24 5:41:22 PM
#89:


All articles I can find say itll be a delayed release like HoYo games.

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swordz9
05/17/24 5:44:20 PM
#90:


Hoping ZZZ is a simultaneous release at least
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swordz9
05/18/24 11:22:01 AM
#91:


I think my Lil Gui is better than she was before. Still needs some work and probably a LC, but I have so many characters of the same type that want basically the same LC other than my lolPreservation selection
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KanzarisKelshen
05/18/24 12:14:59 PM
#92:


What are you using for her right now? There should be a couple options she can employ

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swordz9
05/18/24 12:20:10 PM
#93:


At the moment one I havent even leveled up much. That free Silver Wolf one I believe. Ive got 2 Good Night & Sleep Well, 5 Eyes of Prey, 3 Pearls of Swine, 4 Fermata and 1 Boundless Choreo as options
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pyresword
05/18/24 2:34:01 PM
#94:


Decided to throw a few 10-pulls at the Topaz rerun banner, mainly on the basis that I wanted Xueyi eidolons. I don't really want Topaz too much, but she would definitely be a help to my account if I happened to get her, and I could afford to spend a few jades without seriously impacting my likelihood of getting Firefly in 2.3.

Ended up "losing" the 50/50 to Welt, but considering this this is not really a banner I was going for the 5-star on in the first place and it happened around 25 pity, this is probably actually a good result. Welt is also someone I've been wanting to use so grabbing his E1 isn't too bad. Also did get one of Xueyi's eidolons like I was hoping for from the beginning. She's still only E2 and I don't want to spend more jades here, but it's something.

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KanzarisKelshen
05/18/24 3:23:41 PM
#95:


swordz9 posted...
At the moment one I havent even leveled up much. That free Silver Wolf one I believe. Ive got 2 Good Night & Sleep Well, 5 Eyes of Prey, 3 Pearls of Swine, 4 Fermata and 1 Boundless Choreo as options

Eyes of Prey is terrific on Guinaifen and would be my pick for her I think. If you had S5 GNSW that'd be the damage-optimal option by a teeny tiny bit, but it'd also require incredibly sweaty relic farming to push Gui to the right EHR thresholds and nahhhhhh. Put that on her, get her 17% EHR from relics (assuming you get all her minor traces here) and she should be good to cook with ATK/SPD/Fire DMG Up stacking everywhere else. This also frees you up to move Tutorial Mission to like, Pela or something so people who really badly want more ERR can benefit from it.

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UshiromiyaEva
05/18/24 11:00:26 PM
#96:


Haven't looked for the list yet, but saw this resonance for the new SU.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2c940f3e.jpg

Bro what the fuck do you MEAN.

Kafka about to blow some fucking MINDS.

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trdl23
05/19/24 12:43:02 AM
#97:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Kafka about to blow some fucking MINDS.
Isn't that her entire thing?

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TheRock1525
05/19/24 12:47:14 AM
#98:


trdl23 posted...
Isn't that her entire thing?

Boom.

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KanzarisKelshen
05/19/24 1:17:20 AM
#99:


Got E1 Robin and didn't even have to go to pity (soft OR hard) for it!!! I think I'll try for her light cone now. If I can get it she's gonna pop off so hard it'll be crazy!

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tcaz2
05/19/24 8:58:45 AM
#100:


I have one Robin on my friends list who is an absolute monster that adds like 100k damage to every attack and just melts everything.

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